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  • B BillWoodruff

    NY Times: [^]

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    SAN FRANCISCO — Google on Monday fired a software engineer who wrote an internal memo that questioned the company’s diversity efforts and argued that the low number of women in technical positions was a result of biological differences instead of discrimination.

    More coverage on Motherboard including complete memo: [^]

    «While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it. A few hundred years later another traveler despairing as myself, may mourn the disappearance of what I may have seen, but failed to see.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)

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    Pathetic, because reading that memo, he brings up what I think are legitimate points of discussion and consciousness raising. As it stands, all this political correctness we've been seeing over the last 50 years is a double-edged sword -- racism, bias, discrimination: bad. Talking about racism, bias, discrimination has also become "bad" unless you're a graduate of Goddard College (as an example) in which case you're seen as "a radical force for change for a better future" or some such BS when in reality many of the people that pick up these causes are actually suffering from psychological problems. Marc

    Latest Article - Class-less Coding - Minimalist C# and Why F# and Function Programming Has Some Advantages Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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    • J Jeremy Falcon

      I agree, but we can't start adding more laws to "fix" this. It just ads more problems to the already overreaching government. But we can call Google stupid idiots for it. :-D

      Jeremy Falcon

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      Jeremy Falcon wrote:

      we can't start adding more laws to "fix" this

      Agree. Too much regulation as it is.

      Jeremy Falcon wrote:

      we can call Google stupid idiots

      :cool::thumbsup: :laugh:

      #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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      • M Marc Clifton

        Pathetic, because reading that memo, he brings up what I think are legitimate points of discussion and consciousness raising. As it stands, all this political correctness we've been seeing over the last 50 years is a double-edged sword -- racism, bias, discrimination: bad. Talking about racism, bias, discrimination has also become "bad" unless you're a graduate of Goddard College (as an example) in which case you're seen as "a radical force for change for a better future" or some such BS when in reality many of the people that pick up these causes are actually suffering from psychological problems. Marc

        Latest Article - Class-less Coding - Minimalist C# and Why F# and Function Programming Has Some Advantages Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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        Marc Clifton wrote:

        actually suffering from psychological problems

        Here! Here!

        #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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        • C Chris Losinger

          no, it would be because you can't just change the meaning of words to suit your political agenda.

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          The courts have ruled that if I act on behest of the police (a part of the gov't) then I in fact, even though a private citizen, become a defacto government agent. Taking this to the present case then, if a company is acting a certain way due to requirements of law and regulation and "consent decrees" they in fact become government agents. Just my feeble logic here.

          #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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          • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

            The courts have ruled that if I act on behest of the police (a part of the gov't) then I in fact, even though a private citizen, become a defacto government agent. Taking this to the present case then, if a company is acting a certain way due to requirements of law and regulation and "consent decrees" they in fact become government agents. Just my feeble logic here.

            #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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            a private company is not the government. full stop.

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            • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

              it is when it is acting at the behest of and as an agent of the gov't.

              #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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              no, it isn't.

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              • C Chris Losinger

                a private company is not the government. full stop.

                image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                it is when it is acting at the behest of and as an agent of the gov't.

                #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                • C Chris Losinger

                  no, it isn't.

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                  TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                  The PTB beg to differ

                  #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                  • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                    Marc Clifton wrote:

                    actually suffering from psychological problems

                    Here! Here!

                    #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                    Marc Clifton
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                    TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

                    Here! Here!

                    Marc's view on life -- we all have psychological problems to various degrees. ;) Marc

                    Latest Article - Class-less Coding - Minimalist C# and Why F# and Function Programming Has Some Advantages Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

                      Here! Here!

                      Marc's view on life -- we all have psychological problems to various degrees. ;) Marc

                      Latest Article - Class-less Coding - Minimalist C# and Why F# and Function Programming Has Some Advantages Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                      Forsooth!

                      #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                      • M Marc Clifton

                        Pathetic, because reading that memo, he brings up what I think are legitimate points of discussion and consciousness raising. As it stands, all this political correctness we've been seeing over the last 50 years is a double-edged sword -- racism, bias, discrimination: bad. Talking about racism, bias, discrimination has also become "bad" unless you're a graduate of Goddard College (as an example) in which case you're seen as "a radical force for change for a better future" or some such BS when in reality many of the people that pick up these causes are actually suffering from psychological problems. Marc

                        Latest Article - Class-less Coding - Minimalist C# and Why F# and Function Programming Has Some Advantages Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                        Anyone who disagrees with my view on any subject is suffering from psychological problems, but not as much as I am suffering from theirs. cheers, Bill

                        «While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it. A few hundred years later another traveler despairing as myself, may mourn the disappearance of what I may have seen, but failed to see.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)

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                        • B BillWoodruff

                          Anyone who disagrees with my view on any subject is suffering from psychological problems, but not as much as I am suffering from theirs. cheers, Bill

                          «While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it. A few hundred years later another traveler despairing as myself, may mourn the disappearance of what I may have seen, but failed to see.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)

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                          BillWoodruff wrote:

                          but not as much as I am suffering from theirs.

                          How true! :sigh: Marc

                          Latest Article - Class-less Coding - Minimalist C# and Why F# and Function Programming Has Some Advantages Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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