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But neither is it weak and gutless. It is that stigma that those of us in the neuroscience community thought we'd seen the back of.:((
It is entirely weak, man! Someone who's depressed is too weak to turn around and face their problems, and lets the situation they are in take control of them. That's how they get feeling helpless. I've been plenty depressed, and it's always been ME telling myself to get off my ass to change my situation, not someone coddling me telling how damn brave I am. Christ Almighty!! If we'd stop babying everyone for their shortcomings, and instead got them to realize that 'yes, life really fucking sucks sometimes, deal with it', we'd be doing them a big favor. I'm done ranting now. :) carry on. By the by, what does the neuroscience community consider suicide if not a weakness. BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
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On a related note, just yesterday a man was seen walking through a small town in Germany, with the head of a young woman in one hand, and a big knife in the other...
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygenBild reported that the man was having an affair with his sister-in-law but she wanted to end it. Well, that explains everything. :rolleyes: Aachen is in your neck area of Germany isn't it? BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
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It is entirely weak, man! Someone who's depressed is too weak to turn around and face their problems, and lets the situation they are in take control of them. That's how they get feeling helpless. I've been plenty depressed, and it's always been ME telling myself to get off my ass to change my situation, not someone coddling me telling how damn brave I am. Christ Almighty!! If we'd stop babying everyone for their shortcomings, and instead got them to realize that 'yes, life really fucking sucks sometimes, deal with it', we'd be doing them a big favor. I'm done ranting now. :) carry on. By the by, what does the neuroscience community consider suicide if not a weakness. BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
brianwelsch wrote: Christ Almighty!! If we'd stop babying everyone for their shortcomings, and instead got them to realize that 'yes, life really f***ing sucks sometimes, deal with it', we'd be doing them a big favor. You should apply for a job with The Samaritans. You'd cut their phone bills in no time at all. Debbie
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brianwelsch wrote: Christ Almighty!! If we'd stop babying everyone for their shortcomings, and instead got them to realize that 'yes, life really f***ing sucks sometimes, deal with it', we'd be doing them a big favor. You should apply for a job with The Samaritans. You'd cut their phone bills in no time at all. Debbie
Debs wrote: You should apply for a job with The Samaritans :laugh: :-D Actually, I'm a surprisingly good listener, and the "Go-To Guy" for several friends and family members when they are in tough times. I'm not that harsh when I talk with them, but I don't sugar coat the truth either, I just don't think it helps. BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
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gregs wrote: It is that stigma that those of us in the neuroscience community thought we'd seen the back of Could you kindly tell us what suicide is then? Noble? Desperate? Heroic? Trying to couch suicide in nice terms seems to be an effort to make the suicidee feel better about their choice rather than trying to solve their core problem.
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Cape Town, South Africabrianwelsch wrote: I find my day goes by more smoothly if I never question other peoples fantasies. My own disturb me enough.
None of the above. It is usually caused by a neurochemical imbalance, which can be treated. However, telling them that they are weak has been shown again and again to disuade people with such a condition from seeking the help they need. It is a complex issue that the layman needs more information about.
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It is entirely weak, man! Someone who's depressed is too weak to turn around and face their problems, and lets the situation they are in take control of them. That's how they get feeling helpless. I've been plenty depressed, and it's always been ME telling myself to get off my ass to change my situation, not someone coddling me telling how damn brave I am. Christ Almighty!! If we'd stop babying everyone for their shortcomings, and instead got them to realize that 'yes, life really fucking sucks sometimes, deal with it', we'd be doing them a big favor. I'm done ranting now. :) carry on. By the by, what does the neuroscience community consider suicide if not a weakness. BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
brianwelsch wrote: Someone who's depressed is too weak to turn around and face their problems, and lets the situation they are in take control of them I'm afraid not. It is usually caused by a neurochemical imbalance of one kind or another. Believe me, what the layman calls depression and clinical depression are worlds apart. brianwelsch wrote: If we'd stop babying everyone for their shortcomings, and instead got them to realize that 'yes, life really f***ing sucks sometimes, deal with it', we'd be doing them a big favor. :wtf:As has been already said, that may be the straw that breaks the camel's back, and may drive certain people to suicide. brianwelsch wrote: By the by, what does the neuroscience community consider suicide if not a weakness. A treatable condition.:rose:
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Its so scary Rog. It frightens me too much :( Smitha You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it true. You may have to work for it, however. -- Richard Bach
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brianwelsch wrote: Someone who's depressed is too weak to turn around and face their problems, and lets the situation they are in take control of them I'm afraid not. It is usually caused by a neurochemical imbalance of one kind or another. Believe me, what the layman calls depression and clinical depression are worlds apart. brianwelsch wrote: If we'd stop babying everyone for their shortcomings, and instead got them to realize that 'yes, life really f***ing sucks sometimes, deal with it', we'd be doing them a big favor. :wtf:As has been already said, that may be the straw that breaks the camel's back, and may drive certain people to suicide. brianwelsch wrote: By the by, what does the neuroscience community consider suicide if not a weakness. A treatable condition.:rose:
gregs wrote: what the layman calls depression and clinical depression are worlds apart. I assume clinical depression is when you have the neurochemical problem. Or is depression ALWAYS because of this imbalance? How developed is this field? How sure are we that depression is because of the imbalance and not that the imbalance is because of depression? I am a pretty happy person, never been depressed for more than 5 minutes in my life. I just can't stay unhappy, even when I try. So I don't get it when depressed people can't snap themselves out of it.
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South Africabrianwelsch wrote: I find my day goes by more smoothly if I never question other peoples fantasies. My own disturb me enough.
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brianwelsch wrote: Someone who's depressed is too weak to turn around and face their problems, and lets the situation they are in take control of them I'm afraid not. It is usually caused by a neurochemical imbalance of one kind or another. Believe me, what the layman calls depression and clinical depression are worlds apart. brianwelsch wrote: If we'd stop babying everyone for their shortcomings, and instead got them to realize that 'yes, life really f***ing sucks sometimes, deal with it', we'd be doing them a big favor. :wtf:As has been already said, that may be the straw that breaks the camel's back, and may drive certain people to suicide. brianwelsch wrote: By the by, what does the neuroscience community consider suicide if not a weakness. A treatable condition.:rose:
gregs wrote: what the layman calls depression and clinical depression are worlds apart. I think we're talking from two different points, as you're alluding to here. Personally, I feel that well before people get to the point of clincal depression, a better sense of reality, and an improved feeling for their ability to cope with reality should be introduced. Am I way off here? gregs wrote: A treatable condition Now that's amazing!! ;P You have to allow for the fact that straight out telling someone the reality of their situation might snap them out of depression just as well. The same way that all this grief-counceling , its now coming out, doesn't really help everyone. Some people don't want to be forced to talk about their feelings after a catastrophe. they aren't ready. Anyway, if you've got some good links on the issue of depression, I'd love to read more about it. :) BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
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gregs wrote: what the layman calls depression and clinical depression are worlds apart. I assume clinical depression is when you have the neurochemical problem. Or is depression ALWAYS because of this imbalance? How developed is this field? How sure are we that depression is because of the imbalance and not that the imbalance is because of depression? I am a pretty happy person, never been depressed for more than 5 minutes in my life. I just can't stay unhappy, even when I try. So I don't get it when depressed people can't snap themselves out of it.
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South Africabrianwelsch wrote: I find my day goes by more smoothly if I never question other peoples fantasies. My own disturb me enough.
The sort of depression that leads to suicide is almost always clinical depression(which is a blanket term for a number of neurochemical conditions), although some other conditions such as schizophrenia can lead sufferers to suicide. The field is over a century old. Depression is quite often genetic, and it is thought that certain dietary factors can be involved, as well as side effects of other illnesses and medications. There are many causes, but it is the imbalance that causes the depression. Depression that can be 'snapped out of' isn't clinical depression(usually) and very rarely leads to suicide.
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gregs wrote: what the layman calls depression and clinical depression are worlds apart. I think we're talking from two different points, as you're alluding to here. Personally, I feel that well before people get to the point of clincal depression, a better sense of reality, and an improved feeling for their ability to cope with reality should be introduced. Am I way off here? gregs wrote: A treatable condition Now that's amazing!! ;P You have to allow for the fact that straight out telling someone the reality of their situation might snap them out of depression just as well. The same way that all this grief-counceling , its now coming out, doesn't really help everyone. Some people don't want to be forced to talk about their feelings after a catastrophe. they aren't ready. Anyway, if you've got some good links on the issue of depression, I'd love to read more about it. :) BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
People with clinical depression should, as you say, be introduced to a medical professional as soon as possible. Unfortunately the only way to get a brighter reality for many of them is medication:( brianwelsch wrote: You have to allow for the fact that straight out telling someone the reality of their situation might snap them out of depression just as well. As I have said above, if you can 'snap them out of it' it isn't clinical depression, and it is unlikely that they'll commit suicide. I'll see if I can find some links for you:)
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gregs wrote: what the layman calls depression and clinical depression are worlds apart. I assume clinical depression is when you have the neurochemical problem. Or is depression ALWAYS because of this imbalance? How developed is this field? How sure are we that depression is because of the imbalance and not that the imbalance is because of depression? I am a pretty happy person, never been depressed for more than 5 minutes in my life. I just can't stay unhappy, even when I try. So I don't get it when depressed people can't snap themselves out of it.
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South Africabrianwelsch wrote: I find my day goes by more smoothly if I never question other peoples fantasies. My own disturb me enough.
Paul Watson wrote: How sure are we that depression is because of the imbalance and not that the imbalance is because of depression? Good point! My thought is that people are unique enough in their mentality that blanket statements can't be made. People have unique motivations, and depending on these, treatment should be prescribed. BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
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People with clinical depression should, as you say, be introduced to a medical professional as soon as possible. Unfortunately the only way to get a brighter reality for many of them is medication:( brianwelsch wrote: You have to allow for the fact that straight out telling someone the reality of their situation might snap them out of depression just as well. As I have said above, if you can 'snap them out of it' it isn't clinical depression, and it is unlikely that they'll commit suicide. I'll see if I can find some links for you:)
gregs wrote: Unfortunately the only way to get a brighter reality for many of them is medication It'd be great if we could discover better ways than popping pills to handle this. It just seems like such a band-aid approach. BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
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gregs wrote: Unfortunately the only way to get a brighter reality for many of them is medication It'd be great if we could discover better ways than popping pills to handle this. It just seems like such a band-aid approach. BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
Unfortunately there isn't for many forms at the moment:( I found quite a good link. Unfortunately most of the links I have are far to technical:) This is from the student affairs website of the uni of pittsburgh(I don't know anything about the uni, but it is paraphrased from documents from National Mental Health Association and the National Institute of Mental Health. Here[^] it is.
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Bild reported that the man was having an affair with his sister-in-law but she wanted to end it. Well, that explains everything. :rolleyes: Aachen is in your neck area of Germany isn't it? BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
brianwelsch wrote: Well, that explains everything. Yeah, very thorough solution. I wonder if he's for hire when he's out of jail... brianwelsch wrote: Aachen is in your neck area of Germany isn't it? No... I'm in the Middle-East, and Aachen is "bihind the wall" :cool: But a friend of mine did vacation near there the day it happened...
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brianwelsch wrote: Well, that explains everything. Yeah, very thorough solution. I wonder if he's for hire when he's out of jail... brianwelsch wrote: Aachen is in your neck area of Germany isn't it? No... I'm in the Middle-East, and Aachen is "bihind the wall" :cool: But a friend of mine did vacation near there the day it happened...
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygenI keep thinking your in Koeln for some reason. :confused: BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
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I keep thinking your in Koeln for some reason. :confused: BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
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You won#t find me close to that place without using force ;)
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygen:confused: I've liked Koeln whenever I've gone. Is it just too touristy now? BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
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Smitha! Congrats on your new status! Nice icon. :)
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Thanks :) Smitha You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it true. You may have to work for it, however. -- Richard Bach
