Progress against terrorism
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KaЯl wrote: Undoubtly, some actions of the Resistance can be call "terrorist", like the assassinations "for the example", or some blind bombings. This statement subtley shows that you see a distiction between resistence and terrorism. KaЯl wrote: I don't think Bin Laden is working alone, and that all Al-quaida members are millionaires! The key is "what is the rate?" not the actual count. I might argue that the poor outnumber the rich in society by a factor of 100 to 1, so when we see that there are more poor than rich in Al-Queda, that doesn't indicate any causal relationship unless you can show that the poor outnumber the rich in Al-Queda by more than a factor of 100 to 1. Also, a good number of the 9-11 terrorists had college degrees. And, there are even members of the House of Saud which support Al-Queda. KaЯl wrote: Would palestinians blow themselves as human bomb if they weren't so despaired? Yes, if they believed they were going to be rewarded in heaven with far greater riches - as many of them are taught to believe. Again, the 9-11 terrorists provide us with an example of people willing to die, but were educated and middle-class. I might agree with you a little more if you said, "Would palestinians be as willing to blow themselves as human bomb if they weren't so despaired?" ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion
Brit wrote: This statement subtley shows that you see a distiction between resistence and terrorism. Yes I do, but the distinction I make is totally subjective and relative to my culture, experiences and moral beliefs, another could think differently. Brit wrote: I might agree with you a little more if you said, "Would palestinians be as willing to blow themselves as human bomb if they weren't so despaired?" Ok. Would some palestinians be as willing to blow themselves as human bomb if they weren't so despaired? :)
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In light of the recent attacks[^] in Saudi Arabia, what are your views on the progress in the "war on terror?" 1) Are we winning or making a dent in terrorist efforts? Can we win? 2) Is the rest of the "civilized" world participating or are they just paying lip-service to the US? 3) What are your ideas on how to deal with terrorists? (Leave them alone is not an answer.)
Jason Henderson
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Jason Henderson wrote: Are we winning or making a dent in terrorist efforts? Can we win? You're making terrorists. It's kind of like going on a diet, and starting by trying to eat all the cream cakes in the world, so there's none left to tempt you. Jason Henderson wrote: Is the rest of the "civilized" world participating or are they just paying lip-service to the US? Your current president has turned most of the world against the US ( as a nation, not in terms of dealing with individuals ). Jason Henderson wrote: What are your ideas on how to deal with terrorists? (Leave them alone is not an answer.) Go after people who actually are terrorists, rather than easy targets to make you look good to voters. I seem to remember there was this dude called Bin Laden, does anyone remember him ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Trollslayer wrote: but unless you deal with why people are willing to sacrifice their lives you won't win. What is your basis for believing we will "win" even if we do that? Your assumption is that the underlieing cause is some kind of noble, justified indignation that can ultimately be dealt with in a rational, diplomatic manner. What if the answer is that they simply want all women to wear sacks over their heads? That would be fine with me, but are you willing to go along with that to make them happy?
Stan Shannon wrote: What if the answer is that they simply want all women to wear sacks over their heads? That would be fine with me, but are you willing to go along with that to make them happy? This got a laugh out of me :-) C'mon though, seriously, we all know what their problem is. It's US foreign policy, for example, backing of Israel. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Jason Henderson wrote: Are we winning or making a dent in terrorist efforts? Can we win? You're making terrorists. It's kind of like going on a diet, and starting by trying to eat all the cream cakes in the world, so there's none left to tempt you. Jason Henderson wrote: Is the rest of the "civilized" world participating or are they just paying lip-service to the US? Your current president has turned most of the world against the US ( as a nation, not in terms of dealing with individuals ). Jason Henderson wrote: What are your ideas on how to deal with terrorists? (Leave them alone is not an answer.) Go after people who actually are terrorists, rather than easy targets to make you look good to voters. I seem to remember there was this dude called Bin Laden, does anyone remember him ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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blogThanks :-) I dunno if it's CP or IE, but for some reason, I often click on a link to a post, browse from the window, and not realise that it actually opened in a place that's 1 or 2 years old. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Stan Shannon wrote: What if the answer is that they simply want all women to wear sacks over their heads? That would be fine with me, but are you willing to go along with that to make them happy? This got a laugh out of me :-) C'mon though, seriously, we all know what their problem is. It's US foreign policy, for example, backing of Israel. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Wow! we went way back for this one. Christian Graus wrote: C'mon though, seriously, we all know what their problem is. It's US foreign policy, for example, backing of Israel I don't give a rats ass one way or the other about Israel. If they are destroyed tomorrow I would not give a damn. But my country will support who ever the hell we want to support and will not be 'terrorized' into acting one way or another. I really do not care how many people hate me. I want to be hated by the 'wahabiist' (sp?) of the Middle east. I want them to hate me, and I want them to try to kill me. The more the merrier. I have absolutely no fear of them. The more they use terror to try to get me to act one way, the more I intend to act the other way - for no other reason than to make them even angrier. It is they who need to be scared of me. If they want a fight, they have come to the right country - we Americans are still full of fight and will be happy to give Islam all it wants. So they can make all the excuses for murder they like, we will respond in kind. I'm game if they are. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
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Wow! we went way back for this one. Christian Graus wrote: C'mon though, seriously, we all know what their problem is. It's US foreign policy, for example, backing of Israel I don't give a rats ass one way or the other about Israel. If they are destroyed tomorrow I would not give a damn. But my country will support who ever the hell we want to support and will not be 'terrorized' into acting one way or another. I really do not care how many people hate me. I want to be hated by the 'wahabiist' (sp?) of the Middle east. I want them to hate me, and I want them to try to kill me. The more the merrier. I have absolutely no fear of them. The more they use terror to try to get me to act one way, the more I intend to act the other way - for no other reason than to make them even angrier. It is they who need to be scared of me. If they want a fight, they have come to the right country - we Americans are still full of fight and will be happy to give Islam all it wants. So they can make all the excuses for murder they like, we will respond in kind. I'm game if they are. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
Stan Shannon wrote: But my country will support who ever the hell we want to support and will not be 'terrorized' into acting one way or another. You're right - the problem Palestine has is that the tactics they employ will never generate sympathy in the West. You're wrong though - your country is allowed to support terror, but is not allowed to be terrorised ? I'm not advocating ANY form of terrorism here, I'm saying that the USA can back any country, regardless of how that country behaves, and be considered blameless ? The rest of your post reads exactly how I'd expect a post from an Islamic person hell bent on strapping a bomb to themselves would sound. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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Stan Shannon wrote: But my country will support who ever the hell we want to support and will not be 'terrorized' into acting one way or another. You're right - the problem Palestine has is that the tactics they employ will never generate sympathy in the West. You're wrong though - your country is allowed to support terror, but is not allowed to be terrorised ? I'm not advocating ANY form of terrorism here, I'm saying that the USA can back any country, regardless of how that country behaves, and be considered blameless ? The rest of your post reads exactly how I'd expect a post from an Islamic person hell bent on strapping a bomb to themselves would sound. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
Christian Graus wrote: The rest of your post reads exactly how I'd expect a post from an Islamic person hell bent on strapping a bomb to themselves would sound. And that is precisely how I wish for it to read. I am just as willing to kill and die for what I believe in as they are for what they believe in and I will not let any code of morality, or set of refined civil principles compel me to relent. I have absolutely no respect for them or anything they want or believe. I have nothing but contempt for Islam. That is something they had better come to understand about me. I want no diplomacy or compromise with them or thier principles. I want them on their knees and will not be happy with less. I want to see their entire sorry culture crushed into dust. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
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Christian Graus wrote: The rest of your post reads exactly how I'd expect a post from an Islamic person hell bent on strapping a bomb to themselves would sound. And that is precisely how I wish for it to read. I am just as willing to kill and die for what I believe in as they are for what they believe in and I will not let any code of morality, or set of refined civil principles compel me to relent. I have absolutely no respect for them or anything they want or believe. I have nothing but contempt for Islam. That is something they had better come to understand about me. I want no diplomacy or compromise with them or thier principles. I want them on their knees and will not be happy with less. I want to see their entire sorry culture crushed into dust. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
Stan Shannon wrote: And that is precisely how I wish for it to read. I am just as willing to kill and die for what I believe in as they are for what they believe in and I will not let any code of morality, or set of refined civil principles compel me to relent. So you have no desire for peace, you just want to kill anyone who is different to you ? Stan Shannon wrote: I have absolutely no respect for them or anything they want or believe. I have nothing but contempt for Islam. That is something they had better come to understand about me. I want no diplomacy or compromise with them or thier principles. I want them on their knees and will not be happy with less. I want to see their entire sorry culture crushed into dust. And that is why more innocents will die, in America and abroad. It's also why America's traditional allies are turning against her. The rest of us just want to live in peace, and to let other people do the same. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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Stan Shannon wrote: And that is precisely how I wish for it to read. I am just as willing to kill and die for what I believe in as they are for what they believe in and I will not let any code of morality, or set of refined civil principles compel me to relent. So you have no desire for peace, you just want to kill anyone who is different to you ? Stan Shannon wrote: I have absolutely no respect for them or anything they want or believe. I have nothing but contempt for Islam. That is something they had better come to understand about me. I want no diplomacy or compromise with them or thier principles. I want them on their knees and will not be happy with less. I want to see their entire sorry culture crushed into dust. And that is why more innocents will die, in America and abroad. It's also why America's traditional allies are turning against her. The rest of us just want to live in peace, and to let other people do the same. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
If they desire peace, I will give them peace. If they desire war, I will give them war. The choice is theirs. I don't want to kill anyone, and could care less about how different they are one way or another - differences mean nothing to me. But when their culture gets in my face and challanges me to a fight, they had better damn well understand that is precisely what they will get. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."