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    If a butterfly flaps it's wings in the amazon, it may cause a storm in the Atlantic. Is there any evidence as to the truth of this ? :Suss: Regardz Colin Davies I Maim :Suss:

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      If a butterfly flaps it's wings in the amazon, it may cause a storm in the Atlantic. Is there any evidence as to the truth of this ? :Suss: Regardz Colin Davies I Maim :Suss:

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      Colin Have you read CHAOS by James Gliese (Hope the the spelling correct I lent the book to my old man). Norm

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        If a butterfly flaps it's wings in the amazon, it may cause a storm in the Atlantic. Is there any evidence as to the truth of this ? :Suss: Regardz Colin Davies I Maim :Suss:

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        Chris Maunder
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        I don't think the idea/metaphor was ever meant to be taken that literally. Essentially the idea is that in some systems very small changes can propogate to cause very large changes. The weather is a system that is extremely sensitive to initial conditions, so that if you had two planets exactly the same then started the weather systems off with exactly the same initial conditions, but then made a teensy, weensy change to one system (eg throw in a butterfly), then the chances are that the two weather systems will evolve in completely different ways, possibly with one system having a hurricane where the other didn't. It's just as likely that the system with the butterfly would get the sunny weather, with the other one getting the storm. - Chris :suss:

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          I don't think the idea/metaphor was ever meant to be taken that literally. Essentially the idea is that in some systems very small changes can propogate to cause very large changes. The weather is a system that is extremely sensitive to initial conditions, so that if you had two planets exactly the same then started the weather systems off with exactly the same initial conditions, but then made a teensy, weensy change to one system (eg throw in a butterfly), then the chances are that the two weather systems will evolve in completely different ways, possibly with one system having a hurricane where the other didn't. It's just as likely that the system with the butterfly would get the sunny weather, with the other one getting the storm. - Chris :suss:

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          Ta Chris, What i was thinking was more simple causal effect, Like the butterfly ballot sheet problem in Miami (which is a center for hurricane receptions) will have no real effect on the Amazons or elsewhere.Or will it ?
          Possibly I'm postulating over-simplistically ? Regardz Colin Star Comedy by Democrats

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            Ta Chris, What i was thinking was more simple causal effect, Like the butterfly ballot sheet problem in Miami (which is a center for hurricane receptions) will have no real effect on the Amazons or elsewhere.Or will it ?
            Possibly I'm postulating over-simplistically ? Regardz Colin Star Comedy by Democrats

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            There will definitely be an effect - however, I think the trick is that there is no way you can predict the effect. If a tree falls in the forest... cheers, Chris Maunder

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