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  • M Marc Clifton

    Before we all start on some gloriosky project, I was wondering if maybe it ought to be discussed as to how the fruits of our labors are licensed. (Maybe I missed the discussion). Is the end result to be a free-ware product? Just for CP'ers? Shareware? For sale? What sort of open source licensing? Am I jumping the gun? Maybe the answers vary depending on the project. Personally, I'm all for a free-ware, open source no strings attached project, because that way there's no issue. I think the truly amazing thing will be to actually succeed at the project development. However, I've come across third-party apps that restrict you from using their tools on open source projects or have other licensing restrictions. (it was mentioned to me that Carlos' controls can't be part of open-source projects, for example). So it's maybe more of a sticky issue. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
    Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
    Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
    Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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    Jason Henderson
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    Either free-ware or CP-ware. In other words, maybe Chris could sell it and give us all t-shirts or something. I'm really not doing it for $$.

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    • M Marc Clifton

      Before we all start on some gloriosky project, I was wondering if maybe it ought to be discussed as to how the fruits of our labors are licensed. (Maybe I missed the discussion). Is the end result to be a free-ware product? Just for CP'ers? Shareware? For sale? What sort of open source licensing? Am I jumping the gun? Maybe the answers vary depending on the project. Personally, I'm all for a free-ware, open source no strings attached project, because that way there's no issue. I think the truly amazing thing will be to actually succeed at the project development. However, I've come across third-party apps that restrict you from using their tools on open source projects or have other licensing restrictions. (it was mentioned to me that Carlos' controls can't be part of open-source projects, for example). So it's maybe more of a sticky issue. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
      Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
      Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
      Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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      John Fisher
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      *turns on his imagination* We finish the project. It's awesome. Everyone wants it. All the CPP volunteers get free copies. CP starts selling them. Demand rises. CP has an IPO. All CPP volunteers begin collecting dividends for CP membership! ;) John
      "We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of Words

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      • M Marc Clifton

        Before we all start on some gloriosky project, I was wondering if maybe it ought to be discussed as to how the fruits of our labors are licensed. (Maybe I missed the discussion). Is the end result to be a free-ware product? Just for CP'ers? Shareware? For sale? What sort of open source licensing? Am I jumping the gun? Maybe the answers vary depending on the project. Personally, I'm all for a free-ware, open source no strings attached project, because that way there's no issue. I think the truly amazing thing will be to actually succeed at the project development. However, I've come across third-party apps that restrict you from using their tools on open source projects or have other licensing restrictions. (it was mentioned to me that Carlos' controls can't be part of open-source projects, for example). So it's maybe more of a sticky issue. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
        Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
        Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
        Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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        J Dunlap
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        Freeware :-D Everyone can get the benefit from using it. Open Source but NOT GPL - the GPL license says that the software must be used only be other freeware software, and not by commercial software. Shareware :( I never did like it. Buyware :) The volunteers and CP can make something off it (with most of the $$$$ going to CP :);) ). Wait a minute. I think all I did was state the obvious.

        "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
        "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi

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        • M Marc Clifton

          Before we all start on some gloriosky project, I was wondering if maybe it ought to be discussed as to how the fruits of our labors are licensed. (Maybe I missed the discussion). Is the end result to be a free-ware product? Just for CP'ers? Shareware? For sale? What sort of open source licensing? Am I jumping the gun? Maybe the answers vary depending on the project. Personally, I'm all for a free-ware, open source no strings attached project, because that way there's no issue. I think the truly amazing thing will be to actually succeed at the project development. However, I've come across third-party apps that restrict you from using their tools on open source projects or have other licensing restrictions. (it was mentioned to me that Carlos' controls can't be part of open-source projects, for example). So it's maybe more of a sticky issue. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
          Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
          Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
          Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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          Chris Austin
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          I think this is a valid point to raise Marc. Esp since the number of egos involved. I’ve seen or read about more than one project die because of people arguing over licensing terms. Personally I am for a no strings attached type of license and the GPL seems to require further source dissemination. I am not too sure about the restrictions of the LGPL, BSD and, Apache licenses. A quick glance via google seems to paint a good picture of the “MIT” license. Or, can we just release the project into the public domain? I’m all in favor of something like that. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

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          • M Marc Clifton

            Before we all start on some gloriosky project, I was wondering if maybe it ought to be discussed as to how the fruits of our labors are licensed. (Maybe I missed the discussion). Is the end result to be a free-ware product? Just for CP'ers? Shareware? For sale? What sort of open source licensing? Am I jumping the gun? Maybe the answers vary depending on the project. Personally, I'm all for a free-ware, open source no strings attached project, because that way there's no issue. I think the truly amazing thing will be to actually succeed at the project development. However, I've come across third-party apps that restrict you from using their tools on open source projects or have other licensing restrictions. (it was mentioned to me that Carlos' controls can't be part of open-source projects, for example). So it's maybe more of a sticky issue. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
            Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
            Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
            Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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            Jason Henderson
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            What is the Code Project all about? Sharing code and experiences. I think a non-free model will restrict us since these projects are for any and all CPians.

            Jason Henderson

            My articles

            "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill

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            • M Marc Clifton

              Before we all start on some gloriosky project, I was wondering if maybe it ought to be discussed as to how the fruits of our labors are licensed. (Maybe I missed the discussion). Is the end result to be a free-ware product? Just for CP'ers? Shareware? For sale? What sort of open source licensing? Am I jumping the gun? Maybe the answers vary depending on the project. Personally, I'm all for a free-ware, open source no strings attached project, because that way there's no issue. I think the truly amazing thing will be to actually succeed at the project development. However, I've come across third-party apps that restrict you from using their tools on open source projects or have other licensing restrictions. (it was mentioned to me that Carlos' controls can't be part of open-source projects, for example). So it's maybe more of a sticky issue. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
              Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
              Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
              Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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              Tom Welch
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              The subject says it all. Free :beer: on us. And have some :vegemite: too. :-D

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              • J Jason Henderson

                What is the Code Project all about? Sharing code and experiences. I think a non-free model will restrict us since these projects are for any and all CPians.

                Jason Henderson

                My articles

                "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill

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                Marc Clifton
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                I definitely agree. I thought it might be worth mentioning issues involved in third party libraries, but I may be jumping the gun here. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
                Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
                Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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                • T Tom Welch

                  The subject says it all. Free :beer: on us. And have some :vegemite: too. :-D

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                  peterchen
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                  That's the spirit! ;)


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                  • M Marc Clifton

                    Before we all start on some gloriosky project, I was wondering if maybe it ought to be discussed as to how the fruits of our labors are licensed. (Maybe I missed the discussion). Is the end result to be a free-ware product? Just for CP'ers? Shareware? For sale? What sort of open source licensing? Am I jumping the gun? Maybe the answers vary depending on the project. Personally, I'm all for a free-ware, open source no strings attached project, because that way there's no issue. I think the truly amazing thing will be to actually succeed at the project development. However, I've come across third-party apps that restrict you from using their tools on open source projects or have other licensing restrictions. (it was mentioned to me that Carlos' controls can't be part of open-source projects, for example). So it's maybe more of a sticky issue. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                    Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
                    Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
                    Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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                    Michael P Butler
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                    BSD licence is probably the one that gives the most freedom to all of us. Anybody even mentions GPL and I'll be reaching for my gun. Michael 'War is at best barbarism...Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.' - General William Sherman, 1879

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      Before we all start on some gloriosky project, I was wondering if maybe it ought to be discussed as to how the fruits of our labors are licensed. (Maybe I missed the discussion). Is the end result to be a free-ware product? Just for CP'ers? Shareware? For sale? What sort of open source licensing? Am I jumping the gun? Maybe the answers vary depending on the project. Personally, I'm all for a free-ware, open source no strings attached project, because that way there's no issue. I think the truly amazing thing will be to actually succeed at the project development. However, I've come across third-party apps that restrict you from using their tools on open source projects or have other licensing restrictions. (it was mentioned to me that Carlos' controls can't be part of open-source projects, for example). So it's maybe more of a sticky issue. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                      Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
                      Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
                      Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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                      Navin
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                      I thinik it should be free, using something similar to eitther the LGPL, BSD, or even the wxWindows license (it is GPL but has an exception - the code can be used in a commercial app without distributing the source.) If we run across any code we'd like to use that uses a more restrictive license, I say screw it, don't use that code. We'd just have to do that part over. "When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity." - Albert Einstein

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