CP2 Project Leaders
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CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... Clearly Marc Clifton is the new PL for the Application Framework project. Congrats Marc! Tom Welch and Roger Allen have been nominated for the position in the UGLY project. However, Tom hasn't shown himself lately, and Roger seems to have little interest in running it. If there is anyone out there that wants to be the leader for the project, please come forward. Anders Molin is interested in running the Defect Tracking project, but Paul Watson was also nominated. Paul, any thoughts? Are you interested? If not, Anders will be declared the PL. Here is a brief outline of what we have done and what I want to accomplish next, comments are welcome:
- Phase 1
- See who is interested (DONE)
- Collect project ideas (DONE)
- Determine projects (DONE)
- Phase 2
- Pick project leaders (IN PROCESS)
- Leaders write draft of project Abstract [outline provided] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project article series' started [will provide an outline] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project management and rules defined by leaders (INCOMPLETE)
- Team establishment (INCOMPLETE)
- Project design/definition completed (INCOMPLETE)
- Phase 3
- Coding assignments given (INCOMPLETE)
- Coding ensues (INCOMPLETE)
- QA testing (INCOMPLETE)
- Initial release (INCOMPLETE)
- Party! :)
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... Clearly Marc Clifton is the new PL for the Application Framework project. Congrats Marc! Tom Welch and Roger Allen have been nominated for the position in the UGLY project. However, Tom hasn't shown himself lately, and Roger seems to have little interest in running it. If there is anyone out there that wants to be the leader for the project, please come forward. Anders Molin is interested in running the Defect Tracking project, but Paul Watson was also nominated. Paul, any thoughts? Are you interested? If not, Anders will be declared the PL. Here is a brief outline of what we have done and what I want to accomplish next, comments are welcome:
- Phase 1
- See who is interested (DONE)
- Collect project ideas (DONE)
- Determine projects (DONE)
- Phase 2
- Pick project leaders (IN PROCESS)
- Leaders write draft of project Abstract [outline provided] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project article series' started [will provide an outline] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project management and rules defined by leaders (INCOMPLETE)
- Team establishment (INCOMPLETE)
- Project design/definition completed (INCOMPLETE)
- Phase 3
- Coding assignments given (INCOMPLETE)
- Coding ensues (INCOMPLETE)
- QA testing (INCOMPLETE)
- Initial release (INCOMPLETE)
- Party! :)
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. If true, maybe a poll on why? :-D Possibly because people just don't know other people well enough, or don't really care who's the project leader, or something else. Jason Henderson wrote: Here is a brief outline of what I want to accomplish next, comments are welcome: Um. Where? (Your sigline followed right after the colon). [edit]Oh. THERE it is![/edit] Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... Clearly Marc Clifton is the new PL for the Application Framework project. Congrats Marc! Tom Welch and Roger Allen have been nominated for the position in the UGLY project. However, Tom hasn't shown himself lately, and Roger seems to have little interest in running it. If there is anyone out there that wants to be the leader for the project, please come forward. Anders Molin is interested in running the Defect Tracking project, but Paul Watson was also nominated. Paul, any thoughts? Are you interested? If not, Anders will be declared the PL. Here is a brief outline of what we have done and what I want to accomplish next, comments are welcome:
- Phase 1
- See who is interested (DONE)
- Collect project ideas (DONE)
- Determine projects (DONE)
- Phase 2
- Pick project leaders (IN PROCESS)
- Leaders write draft of project Abstract [outline provided] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project article series' started [will provide an outline] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project management and rules defined by leaders (INCOMPLETE)
- Team establishment (INCOMPLETE)
- Project design/definition completed (INCOMPLETE)
- Phase 3
- Coding assignments given (INCOMPLETE)
- Coding ensues (INCOMPLETE)
- QA testing (INCOMPLETE)
- Initial release (INCOMPLETE)
- Party! :)
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Hmmm. A couple thoughts-- I'd rather have the team establishment phase occur next, because I'd like to be able to interact with the team members on writing the draft project abstract. Otherwise, I'll just point everyone to the AAL, since I have no idea what anyone wants to do (and I know there are ideas out there!). Plus, if I can limit the interaction with the people interested in this project, it would make my life easier. A personal symmantic issue, but "project design/definition" is never complete, even after everyone has taken the taxi home. I may be totally off base here, and tell me if I am, but in a loosely knit organization like this, I think the design/definition needs to remain as flexible as possible during the development. And besides, I certainly can't think of enough design/definition stuff up front, and if I do, it'll probably be wrong anyways. So flexibility is the key (gee, I sound like an Agile programmer). One last comment, which might be looking at the leaves instead of the tree, not to mention the forest. Some people (like me!) have some pretty wierd ideas, so somewhere in this process there needs to be prototype development/evaluation to test out some of these whacky ideas. Just a thought, but it goes along the same lines as needing a flexible design/definition. BTW, this also represents my style of self-management/leadership, which would reflect in how I would manage a team. So if anyone doesn't like what I've said here, vote me down or bail on my project or suggest some alternatives. :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
Jason Henderson wrote: CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. If true, maybe a poll on why? :-D Possibly because people just don't know other people well enough, or don't really care who's the project leader, or something else. Jason Henderson wrote: Here is a brief outline of what I want to accomplish next, comments are welcome: Um. Where? (Your sigline followed right after the colon). [edit]Oh. THERE it is![/edit] Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Marc Clifton wrote: Um. Where? (Your sigline followed right after the colon). I hit submit too soon. :-O Marc Clifton wrote: Possibly because people just don't know other people well enough, or don't really care who's the project leader, or something else. We may have to skip this democracy crap ;) and I'll pick the leaders myself. :~ In any case, I know you and Anders are somewhat enthusiastic, and since you aren't challenged I can start indoctrinating expressing to you the method to my madness.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Marc Clifton wrote: Um. Where? (Your sigline followed right after the colon). I hit submit too soon. :-O Marc Clifton wrote: Possibly because people just don't know other people well enough, or don't really care who's the project leader, or something else. We may have to skip this democracy crap ;) and I'll pick the leaders myself. :~ In any case, I know you and Anders are somewhat enthusiastic, and since you aren't challenged I can start indoctrinating expressing to you the method to my madness.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: I can start indoctrinating expressing to you the method to my madness. I feel like I'm about to be assimilated! :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
Hmmm. A couple thoughts-- I'd rather have the team establishment phase occur next, because I'd like to be able to interact with the team members on writing the draft project abstract. Otherwise, I'll just point everyone to the AAL, since I have no idea what anyone wants to do (and I know there are ideas out there!). Plus, if I can limit the interaction with the people interested in this project, it would make my life easier. A personal symmantic issue, but "project design/definition" is never complete, even after everyone has taken the taxi home. I may be totally off base here, and tell me if I am, but in a loosely knit organization like this, I think the design/definition needs to remain as flexible as possible during the development. And besides, I certainly can't think of enough design/definition stuff up front, and if I do, it'll probably be wrong anyways. So flexibility is the key (gee, I sound like an Agile programmer). One last comment, which might be looking at the leaves instead of the tree, not to mention the forest. Some people (like me!) have some pretty wierd ideas, so somewhere in this process there needs to be prototype development/evaluation to test out some of these whacky ideas. Just a thought, but it goes along the same lines as needing a flexible design/definition. BTW, this also represents my style of self-management/leadership, which would reflect in how I would manage a team. So if anyone doesn't like what I've said here, vote me down or bail on my project or suggest some alternatives. :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Marc Clifton wrote: I'd rather have the team establishment phase occur next, because I'd like to be able to interact with the team members on writing the draft project abstract. True, but I think you would attract more members with a draft abstract of the project. I was thinking you could ask for ideas here and submit your drafts here also. Once your abstract (not too specific) is ready, we can start up an article series and take membership requests through the messaging system. I have an article series draft that contains a Project Management sub-article where team members will be listed with their code assignments. I envisioned requests to join would come in through the article message system on this sub-article. Marc Clifton wrote: A personal symmantic issue, but "project design/definition" is never complete, even after everyone has taken the taxi home. I may be totally off base here, and tell me if I am, but in a loosely knit organization like this, I think the design/definition needs to remain as flexible as possible during the development. Yes, but too much flexibility will delay things. I'm not talking about etching the design in stone, but there needs to be a beginning and an ending to the "concentrated" design phase, otherwise you won't start on the project. Catch my drift? Marc Clifton wrote: somewhere in this process there needs to be prototype development/evaluation to test out some of these whacky ideas I also forsee a Source Management sub-article which one person will maintain (source manager?) You can run QA and demos through here. Updating articles is quite easy here on CP (as long as they aren't edited) so we should be able to change things around during the process. Other topics: Would you mind me being a coordinator of the projects or would you rather be independent after things get started? I wouldn't have my fingers in everything, I would just give advice for the overal process, see if things are running smoothly, so to speak. I don't know if I'll actually join a project or not since I won't have much coding time after work in a few months (wife is 5 mos. pregnant).
Jason Henderson
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CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... Clearly Marc Clifton is the new PL for the Application Framework project. Congrats Marc! Tom Welch and Roger Allen have been nominated for the position in the UGLY project. However, Tom hasn't shown himself lately, and Roger seems to have little interest in running it. If there is anyone out there that wants to be the leader for the project, please come forward. Anders Molin is interested in running the Defect Tracking project, but Paul Watson was also nominated. Paul, any thoughts? Are you interested? If not, Anders will be declared the PL. Here is a brief outline of what we have done and what I want to accomplish next, comments are welcome:
- Phase 1
- See who is interested (DONE)
- Collect project ideas (DONE)
- Determine projects (DONE)
- Phase 2
- Pick project leaders (IN PROCESS)
- Leaders write draft of project Abstract [outline provided] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project article series' started [will provide an outline] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project management and rules defined by leaders (INCOMPLETE)
- Team establishment (INCOMPLETE)
- Project design/definition completed (INCOMPLETE)
- Phase 3
- Coding assignments given (INCOMPLETE)
- Coding ensues (INCOMPLETE)
- QA testing (INCOMPLETE)
- Initial release (INCOMPLETE)
- Party! :)
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... Well, I lost almost all my interest on it, and I hope that my critics below will be interpreted as suggestions for improvement, although I only point what I consider errors, not provide solutions. 1. The winning projects were: a. Yet another UI library. Even taking in account its cool name (I love it, BTW), how much interest will this raise? b. Yet another bug tracking tool. Do we need one? c. Yet another Application Framework. As much as I like the great Marc’s articles about AAL, I doubt there will be lots of people interested on working on this project, because I believe that only experience programmers appreciate the real beauty of AA. Most programmers will stay with the “big guys” frameworks. 400,000 people and all we got was this?? Come on, people, I know that we are much better than this! 2. This is all going too fast. About a week or two ago, no one have ever heard of CP2. Now, luckily, 1% or 2% of all CPians have heard of it. The symptoms: only 30 or so people bothered to vote on the winning project. A mouse click. How many people will want to put hard work on it? Kant wrote: Actually she replied back to me "You shouldn't fix the bug. You should kill it"
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Jason Henderson wrote: I can start indoctrinating expressing to you the method to my madness. I feel like I'm about to be assimilated! :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"You already are. :evil :laugh::
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Jason Henderson wrote: CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... Well, I lost almost all my interest on it, and I hope that my critics below will be interpreted as suggestions for improvement, although I only point what I consider errors, not provide solutions. 1. The winning projects were: a. Yet another UI library. Even taking in account its cool name (I love it, BTW), how much interest will this raise? b. Yet another bug tracking tool. Do we need one? c. Yet another Application Framework. As much as I like the great Marc’s articles about AAL, I doubt there will be lots of people interested on working on this project, because I believe that only experience programmers appreciate the real beauty of AA. Most programmers will stay with the “big guys” frameworks. 400,000 people and all we got was this?? Come on, people, I know that we are much better than this! 2. This is all going too fast. About a week or two ago, no one have ever heard of CP2. Now, luckily, 1% or 2% of all CPians have heard of it. The symptoms: only 30 or so people bothered to vote on the winning project. A mouse click. How many people will want to put hard work on it? Kant wrote: Actually she replied back to me "You shouldn't fix the bug. You should kill it"
I tend to agree with your criticisms, and yet I'm really surprised at the three project winners. Certainly not my first three choices. But I'm certainly willing to participate, at a minimum for the learning experience. Daniel Turini wrote: As much as I like the great Marc’s articles about AAL, I doubt there will be lots of people interested on working on this project For the record (which I stated somewhere else a bit more obtusely), I definitely wasn't planning on ramming this down anyone's throat. On the contrary--I wanted to gather ideas from the team members and let the concept have a life of its own, separate from the AAL. Personally, I'd prefer to keep the AAL itself under my sole development direction for the time being, although I would have no problems with people pillaging ideas and code from it. Daniel Turini wrote: This is all going too fast. Perhaps. There seemed to be a lot of enthusiasm, and you got to go with that. It may also have to do with moving off of the lounge, where things are a lot more visible. I too am very curious about the perceived lack of interest. Maybe everyone is just trying to get some work done today. I know I sure as heck am! Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... Clearly Marc Clifton is the new PL for the Application Framework project. Congrats Marc! Tom Welch and Roger Allen have been nominated for the position in the UGLY project. However, Tom hasn't shown himself lately, and Roger seems to have little interest in running it. If there is anyone out there that wants to be the leader for the project, please come forward. Anders Molin is interested in running the Defect Tracking project, but Paul Watson was also nominated. Paul, any thoughts? Are you interested? If not, Anders will be declared the PL. Here is a brief outline of what we have done and what I want to accomplish next, comments are welcome:
- Phase 1
- See who is interested (DONE)
- Collect project ideas (DONE)
- Determine projects (DONE)
- Phase 2
- Pick project leaders (IN PROCESS)
- Leaders write draft of project Abstract [outline provided] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project article series' started [will provide an outline] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project management and rules defined by leaders (INCOMPLETE)
- Team establishment (INCOMPLETE)
- Project design/definition completed (INCOMPLETE)
- Phase 3
- Coding assignments given (INCOMPLETE)
- Coding ensues (INCOMPLETE)
- QA testing (INCOMPLETE)
- Initial release (INCOMPLETE)
- Party! :)
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. X| I sure hope not. Thanks for listing out the project phases, Jason. :)
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi -
Jason Henderson wrote: CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... Well, I lost almost all my interest on it, and I hope that my critics below will be interpreted as suggestions for improvement, although I only point what I consider errors, not provide solutions. 1. The winning projects were: a. Yet another UI library. Even taking in account its cool name (I love it, BTW), how much interest will this raise? b. Yet another bug tracking tool. Do we need one? c. Yet another Application Framework. As much as I like the great Marc’s articles about AAL, I doubt there will be lots of people interested on working on this project, because I believe that only experience programmers appreciate the real beauty of AA. Most programmers will stay with the “big guys” frameworks. 400,000 people and all we got was this?? Come on, people, I know that we are much better than this! 2. This is all going too fast. About a week or two ago, no one have ever heard of CP2. Now, luckily, 1% or 2% of all CPians have heard of it. The symptoms: only 30 or so people bothered to vote on the winning project. A mouse click. How many people will want to put hard work on it? Kant wrote: Actually she replied back to me "You shouldn't fix the bug. You should kill it"
- What project idea were you interested in? 2) Too slow = no interest. Look at the outline i provided and tell me its not a going to take a while to even get started. :) If it comes down to 10 people per project, then it will be more easily managed than 20 or 30. Anyway, if one project dies, maybe we can start one up that's better and hopefully learn from our mistakes. thanks for the critique
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Marc Clifton wrote: I'd rather have the team establishment phase occur next, because I'd like to be able to interact with the team members on writing the draft project abstract. True, but I think you would attract more members with a draft abstract of the project. I was thinking you could ask for ideas here and submit your drafts here also. Once your abstract (not too specific) is ready, we can start up an article series and take membership requests through the messaging system. I have an article series draft that contains a Project Management sub-article where team members will be listed with their code assignments. I envisioned requests to join would come in through the article message system on this sub-article. Marc Clifton wrote: A personal symmantic issue, but "project design/definition" is never complete, even after everyone has taken the taxi home. I may be totally off base here, and tell me if I am, but in a loosely knit organization like this, I think the design/definition needs to remain as flexible as possible during the development. Yes, but too much flexibility will delay things. I'm not talking about etching the design in stone, but there needs to be a beginning and an ending to the "concentrated" design phase, otherwise you won't start on the project. Catch my drift? Marc Clifton wrote: somewhere in this process there needs to be prototype development/evaluation to test out some of these whacky ideas I also forsee a Source Management sub-article which one person will maintain (source manager?) You can run QA and demos through here. Updating articles is quite easy here on CP (as long as they aren't edited) so we should be able to change things around during the process. Other topics: Would you mind me being a coordinator of the projects or would you rather be independent after things get started? I wouldn't have my fingers in everything, I would just give advice for the overal process, see if things are running smoothly, so to speak. I don't know if I'll actually join a project or not since I won't have much coding time after work in a few months (wife is 5 mos. pregnant).
Jason Henderson
Jason Henderson wrote: True, but I think you would attract more members with a draft abstract of the project. I was thinking you could ask for ideas here and submit your drafts here also. Once your abstract (not too specific) is ready, we can start up an article series and take membership requests through the messaging system. OK, that's reasonable. I'm still concerned about people putting in ideas that don't actually intend on participating in the project. A double-edged sword. But let's see how it goes. Jason Henderson wrote: Catch my drift? Ah yes. It is definitely important to have a defined "concentrated" design phase, as you put it. That makes things clearer. Jason Henderson wrote: Would you mind me being a coordinator of the projects or would you rather be independent after things get started? Hmmm. That might be a bit more than I'm willing to bite off. I think that would be a good thing to delegate to someone else. Jason Henderson wrote: wife is 5 mos. pregnant Congrats to both of you! You're first child? (somewhere in the back of my mind I think you told me once, I just don't remember!) Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
- What project idea were you interested in? 2) Too slow = no interest. Look at the outline i provided and tell me its not a going to take a while to even get started. :) If it comes down to 10 people per project, then it will be more easily managed than 20 or 30. Anyway, if one project dies, maybe we can start one up that's better and hopefully learn from our mistakes. thanks for the critique
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: What project idea were you interested in? Actually, anything that hasn't being done before. It doesn't matter if it is an AI project, a game, a P2P, anything that doesn't reinvent the wheel, unless you are about to create the ultimate wheel. Everytime I see another UI library, I question myself, trying to understand the people who are writing it: do they really need another UI library, or is it just a waste of effort? That's why I mentioned AAL on my original post: on the three winning projects, it's where you can create some really new things. Kant wrote: Actually she replied back to me "You shouldn't fix the bug. You should kill it"
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Jason Henderson wrote: What project idea were you interested in? Actually, anything that hasn't being done before. It doesn't matter if it is an AI project, a game, a P2P, anything that doesn't reinvent the wheel, unless you are about to create the ultimate wheel. Everytime I see another UI library, I question myself, trying to understand the people who are writing it: do they really need another UI library, or is it just a waste of effort? That's why I mentioned AAL on my original post: on the three winning projects, it's where you can create some really new things. Kant wrote: Actually she replied back to me "You shouldn't fix the bug. You should kill it"
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Marc Clifton wrote: Um. Where? (Your sigline followed right after the colon). I hit submit too soon. :-O Marc Clifton wrote: Possibly because people just don't know other people well enough, or don't really care who's the project leader, or something else. We may have to skip this democracy crap ;) and I'll pick the leaders myself. :~ In any case, I know you and Anders are somewhat enthusiastic, and since you aren't challenged I can start indoctrinating expressing to you the method to my madness.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: We may have to skip this democracy crap and I'll pick the leaders myself. LOL. I agree. One of the lessons I've learned on project management, is that democracy doesn't work with small groups (I don't believe it works on large groups too, but this is highly OT). Decisions I take on project management are like this: "The project leaders are X, Y and Z. If someone doesn't agree (specially X, Y and Z), please drop me an e-mail till tomorrow." So, in the absence of interest, things get done. And noone cares to write, so you do not even need to wait till tomorrow :) Kant wrote: Actually she replied back to me "You shouldn't fix the bug. You should kill it"
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Hmmm. A couple thoughts-- I'd rather have the team establishment phase occur next, because I'd like to be able to interact with the team members on writing the draft project abstract. Otherwise, I'll just point everyone to the AAL, since I have no idea what anyone wants to do (and I know there are ideas out there!). Plus, if I can limit the interaction with the people interested in this project, it would make my life easier. A personal symmantic issue, but "project design/definition" is never complete, even after everyone has taken the taxi home. I may be totally off base here, and tell me if I am, but in a loosely knit organization like this, I think the design/definition needs to remain as flexible as possible during the development. And besides, I certainly can't think of enough design/definition stuff up front, and if I do, it'll probably be wrong anyways. So flexibility is the key (gee, I sound like an Agile programmer). One last comment, which might be looking at the leaves instead of the tree, not to mention the forest. Some people (like me!) have some pretty wierd ideas, so somewhere in this process there needs to be prototype development/evaluation to test out some of these whacky ideas. Just a thought, but it goes along the same lines as needing a flexible design/definition. BTW, this also represents my style of self-management/leadership, which would reflect in how I would manage a team. So if anyone doesn't like what I've said here, vote me down or bail on my project or suggest some alternatives. :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"I suggest you be flexible whenever an area is first discussed, and then edge us into whatever seems like the best idea in that area. Marc Clifton wrote: , I'll just point everyone to the AAL, since I have no idea what anyone wants to do (and I know there are ideas out there!). I have plenty of ideas myself, but I'm certainly open to discussion, just like you are. Marc Clifton wrote: Some people (like me!) have some pretty wierd ideas, so somewhere in this process there needs to be prototype development/evaluation to test out some of these whacky ideas. Just a thought, but it goes along the same lines as needing a flexible design/definition. Wacky ideas can sometimes be the seeds of wonderful things, but, yes, testing & open discussion is what refines the stubble out of the gold. Marc Clifton wrote: A personal symmantic issue, but "project design/definition" is never complete, even after everyone has taken the taxi home. I may be totally off base here, and tell me if I am, but in a loosely knit organization like this, I think the design/definition needs to remain as flexible as possible during the development. And besides, I certainly can't think of enough design/definition stuff up front, and if I do, it'll probably be wrong anyways. So flexibility is the key (gee, I sound like an Agile programmer). For one thing, stick to the standard MS coding guidelines. Also, if something is not going to cause chaos, it can be flexible, but if it will cause chaos, a standard must be agreed upon. For instance, variable name conventions are important, but it's not such a big deal whether people use C-style or C++ -style braces.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi -
CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... Clearly Marc Clifton is the new PL for the Application Framework project. Congrats Marc! Tom Welch and Roger Allen have been nominated for the position in the UGLY project. However, Tom hasn't shown himself lately, and Roger seems to have little interest in running it. If there is anyone out there that wants to be the leader for the project, please come forward. Anders Molin is interested in running the Defect Tracking project, but Paul Watson was also nominated. Paul, any thoughts? Are you interested? If not, Anders will be declared the PL. Here is a brief outline of what we have done and what I want to accomplish next, comments are welcome:
- Phase 1
- See who is interested (DONE)
- Collect project ideas (DONE)
- Determine projects (DONE)
- Phase 2
- Pick project leaders (IN PROCESS)
- Leaders write draft of project Abstract [outline provided] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project article series' started [will provide an outline] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project management and rules defined by leaders (INCOMPLETE)
- Team establishment (INCOMPLETE)
- Project design/definition completed (INCOMPLETE)
- Phase 3
- Coding assignments given (INCOMPLETE)
- Coding ensues (INCOMPLETE)
- QA testing (INCOMPLETE)
- Initial release (INCOMPLETE)
- Party! :)
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... I don't think so... The reason I think too many messages posted in span of 3 or 4 days. It makes difficult to read those many messages and sometimes CP hiccups. People like me who spend 1 hour or 2 hours a day on CP, it's very difficult to read all the messages and reply back to them. My suggestions: 1. What we need is a CP Wiki board exclusive for Collaboration board? (with no advertisements and Expanded view) or 2. Daily Digest of all the messages posted in the Collaboration board mailed to participating members?_
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What I'm most interested in for a UI library is the unusual controls/components. :)
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhijdunlap wrote: What I'm most interested in for a UI library is the unusual controls/components. I've been looking for some innovation in this area for quite a while now. Sadly, I can't think of any good ideas myself! I wonder if I'll still be alive when true 3D displays are created. I think 90% of the problem is that there's only so much you can do in 2D. And personally, I don't buy into skins. It's like when my girlfriend gets a haircut. For a short while, it's like sleeping with a different woman. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
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Jason Henderson wrote: We may have to skip this democracy crap and I'll pick the leaders myself. LOL. I agree. One of the lessons I've learned on project management, is that democracy doesn't work with small groups (I don't believe it works on large groups too, but this is highly OT). Decisions I take on project management are like this: "The project leaders are X, Y and Z. If someone doesn't agree (specially X, Y and Z), please drop me an e-mail till tomorrow." So, in the absence of interest, things get done. And noone cares to write, so you do not even need to wait till tomorrow :) Kant wrote: Actually she replied back to me "You shouldn't fix the bug. You should kill it"
Daniel Turini wrote: Decisions I take on project management are like this: "The project leaders are X, Y and Z. If someone doesn't agree (specially X, Y and Z), please drop me an e-mail till tomorrow." So, in the absence of interest, things get done. And noone cares to write, so you do not even need to wait till tomorrow :laugh::laugh: I LIKE THAT!!! :-D :rose: Gather ideas through informal discussion :rose: Choose the idea you think is best :rose: Announce that that idea is the way things will be done, but allow people to do email you to object :rose: get the job done! If people really have an serious objection, they will email you; otherwise, they won't. That's how it should be. :)
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi -
jdunlap wrote: What I'm most interested in for a UI library is the unusual controls/components. I've been looking for some innovation in this area for quite a while now. Sadly, I can't think of any good ideas myself! I wonder if I'll still be alive when true 3D displays are created. I think 90% of the problem is that there's only so much you can do in 2D. And personally, I don't buy into skins. It's like when my girlfriend gets a haircut. For a short while, it's like sleeping with a different woman. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files":) scrollable viewport monthview ruler commandbar treelistview (DONE) listbar (outlook-style) (DONE) toolbox listbar (DONE) clock (DONE) dial range picker (been done, but not to my satisfaction) skinnable popup - for balloons, etc. data navbar (been done, but not to my satisfaction) collapsible panel (DONE) color picker bar - functionality is like scrollbar color palette color picker gradient - round, square, etc auto-complete textbox (DONE?) image-calendar time-scheduler (DONE?) topiclist imagelistview appbar wizard ctl advanced message box analog meter control (been done, but not to my satisfaction) peak-meter number ticker (like odometer) (DONE?) colorcombo
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi