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    Kent Sharkey
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    ACCU[^]:

    We look at value-oriented programming, a programming paradigm that the Val programming language [Val] proposes, and how this paradigm can improve safety, local reasoning, and the act of programming.

    Stand up for your values (but not your references)!

    I was going to go with "Because 0.30000000000000005 would be silly", but I think I used that recently

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      ACCU[^]:

      We look at value-oriented programming, a programming paradigm that the Val programming language [Val] proposes, and how this paradigm can improve safety, local reasoning, and the act of programming.

      Stand up for your values (but not your references)!

      I was going to go with "Because 0.30000000000000005 would be silly", but I think I used that recently

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      Joe Woodbury
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      Up next: languages named Virtue and Diversity

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        Up next: languages named Virtue and Diversity

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        Andre Oosthuizen
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        Both laying 2974'th and 2975'th respectively on the popularity list of our limited languages available. :confused:

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          ACCU[^]:

          We look at value-oriented programming, a programming paradigm that the Val programming language [Val] proposes, and how this paradigm can improve safety, local reasoning, and the act of programming.

          Stand up for your values (but not your references)!

          I was going to go with "Because 0.30000000000000005 would be silly", but I think I used that recently

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          Gary Wheeler
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          The guy lost credibility with me when he referenced the following statements:

          Kent Sharkey wrote:

          ACCU[^]: "In terms of syntax, we’ve experimented just about everything; we’ve probably seen all types of syntax we can have. If we look at the semantic class of a programming language – i.e., the paradigm that the language emphasizes – we don’t have too many choices."

          Both of these statements show a complete dearth of experience and a remarkable lack of imagination. Anyone who has been writing software more than a few years has seen countless varieties of both syntax and semantics. Text languages as fixed-field lines (FORTRAN) where each line is a statement, variable text where statements are delimited, and text where spacing is significant (or not). Procedural languages, stack-based languages (LISP and FORTH) where the stack is implicit in the source, and weirdies like APL. Macros and scripts created by recording the user's actions. Non-text languages where the programmer's intent is expressed graphically and the source 'code' is an opaque data structure or data base. No-code and low-code 'programming'. Semantics are similar. Machine language, structured, object-oriented, functional, etc. programming. Headless (batch or service) applications versus command-line, GUI, or web. I know that reasoning-by-example isn't rigorous, but many of these elements did not exist when I start programming professionally in 1980. If anything, the pace of new concepts has only accelerated in the time since.

          Software Zen: delete this;

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            ACCU[^]:

            We look at value-oriented programming, a programming paradigm that the Val programming language [Val] proposes, and how this paradigm can improve safety, local reasoning, and the act of programming.

            Stand up for your values (but not your references)!

            I was going to go with "Because 0.30000000000000005 would be silly", but I think I used that recently

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            This is a well thought out concept about new paradigms basically restricting the way programmers can figuratively shoot themselves in the foot. I don't know if Val as a language will go anywhere, but suspect that like its predecessor CLU in the object oriented world many of the concepts will eventually show up in mainstream languages.

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              This is a well thought out concept about new paradigms basically restricting the way programmers can figuratively shoot themselves in the foot. I don't know if Val as a language will go anywhere, but suspect that like its predecessor CLU in the object oriented world many of the concepts will eventually show up in mainstream languages.

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              Kent Sharkey
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              Yeah, I hope/think that's the longer term goal for them. I think it's going to be hard for a non-Algol-like language to rise to the top these days.

              TTFN - Kent

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                Yeah, I hope/think that's the longer term goal for them. I think it's going to be hard for a non-Algol-like language to rise to the top these days.

                TTFN - Kent

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                Nelek
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                I would not put that on stone. Just find one or two morons influencers that bit the bait and start shouting the buzzword bingo...

                M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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