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    Kent Sharkey
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    Hackaday[^]:

    I think it’s time to put a lot of the legacy of the 8086 to rest, and let the modern processors run free.

    Who needs backward compatibility?

    I would put money that there's more than one company still relying heavily on Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect 5.1

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      Hackaday[^]:

      I think it’s time to put a lot of the legacy of the 8086 to rest, and let the modern processors run free.

      Who needs backward compatibility?

      I would put money that there's more than one company still relying heavily on Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect 5.1

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      but what about Quattro Pro? Quattro Pro - Wikipedia[^]

      To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer

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        Hackaday[^]:

        I think it’s time to put a lot of the legacy of the 8086 to rest, and let the modern processors run free.

        Who needs backward compatibility?

        I would put money that there's more than one company still relying heavily on Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect 5.1

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        Nelek
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        I had a customer that bought all hardware he found in Ebay from Step 5 Automation... I bet he is still running it and it got officially out of "replacement guarantee" in 2008.

        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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          Hackaday[^]:

          I think it’s time to put a lot of the legacy of the 8086 to rest, and let the modern processors run free.

          Who needs backward compatibility?

          I would put money that there's more than one company still relying heavily on Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect 5.1

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          Intel has already announced that the legacy 16 bit "real mode" will be going away in their next chip design. However, Intel has also recognized there is still a lot of 16-bit software, so instead of dumping "real mode" entirely, it will be moved into a virtual processor and emulated by the virtual machine's hardware.

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            Intel has already announced that the legacy 16 bit "real mode" will be going away in their next chip design. However, Intel has also recognized there is still a lot of 16-bit software, so instead of dumping "real mode" entirely, it will be moved into a virtual processor and emulated by the virtual machine's hardware.

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            Does that mean that the new chips without real mode will be unable to run real time operating systems?

            The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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              Does that mean that the new chips without real mode will be unable to run real time operating systems?

              The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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              trønderen
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              You can run it in a virtual machine.

              Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                You can run it in a virtual machine.

                Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                Nelek
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                I just realized your signature and thought you would like this: Alternative Math | Short Film - YouTube[^]

                M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                  Does that mean that the new chips without real mode will be unable to run real time operating systems?

                  The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                  RTOS systems are already running in Intel protected modes. Remember, the only requirement for an RTOS that isn't in a general purpose system is that from the response to an event has a predetermined time to occur, regardless of other system requirements. Even OpenVMS could be tuned to become a real-time operating system. I know, I worked on an OpenVMS system that met the requirements of a RTOS. Real mode in the x86 line of processors is nothing more than a chip level memory management scheme, one that doesn't support virtual memory.

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                    I just realized your signature and thought you would like this: Alternative Math | Short Film - YouTube[^]

                    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                    trønderen
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                    That is a great movie - I have spread it to quite a number of my friends and contacts. There are people who are not getting the point even after watching this movie.

                    Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                      That is a great movie - I have spread it to quite a number of my friends and contacts. There are people who are not getting the point even after watching this movie.

                      Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                      Nelek
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                      trønderen wrote:

                      There are people who are not getting the point even after watching this movie.

                      There are people that do not get the point, no matter which point, even when the point is hitting their heads. :sigh: :sigh:

                      M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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