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NASA will bring the Starliner astronauts home next year on SpaceX’s Crew-9 mission

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  • K Kent Sharkey

    The Verge[^]:

    After the Boeing Starliner spacecraft’s thruster, valve, and helium issues, it will return to Earth without the two astronauts onboard.

    Better late than never

    Good job, Boeing. Episode too many to count

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    I was kinda hoping that first they would send all of Boeing's upper management up to get them first, in a quick Boeing built custom craft designed for the job. But they should probably do it synchronously, to improve the odds of getting the astronauts back.

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      I was kinda hoping that first they would send all of Boeing's upper management up to get them first, in a quick Boeing built custom craft designed for the job. But they should probably do it synchronously, to improve the odds of getting the astronauts back.

      Our Forgotten Astronomy | Object Oriented Programming with C++ | Wordle solver

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      Kent Sharkey
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      The last number I heard was 1 in 780 for a failure of the Starliner, so I guess they decided not to risk it (or that denominator got smaller). This gives them until February to figure out a solution so that the Boeing suits work with the SpaceX vehicle[^]. :~

      TTFN - Kent

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      • K Kent Sharkey

        The last number I heard was 1 in 780 for a failure of the Starliner, so I guess they decided not to risk it (or that denominator got smaller). This gives them until February to figure out a solution so that the Boeing suits work with the SpaceX vehicle[^]. :~

        TTFN - Kent

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        David ONeil
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        Sounds like a bunch of blind people trying to lead an elephant.

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        • K Kent Sharkey

          The Verge[^]:

          After the Boeing Starliner spacecraft’s thruster, valve, and helium issues, it will return to Earth without the two astronauts onboard.

          Better late than never

          Good job, Boeing. Episode too many to count

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          NASA should return the Starliner to Boeing ... under RMA, or not ... directly to the CEO suite They should also send Boeing an invoice for all of the extra costs of supporting the astronauts and returning them via alternate methods.

          Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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            NASA should return the Starliner to Boeing ... under RMA, or not ... directly to the CEO suite They should also send Boeing an invoice for all of the extra costs of supporting the astronauts and returning them via alternate methods.

            Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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            Nelek
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            Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

            They should also send Boeing managers an invoice for all of the extra costs of supporting the astronauts and returning them via alternate methods.

            FTFY as long as the company pays, they won't give a rat crap. They only care when they own pocket is in risk.

            M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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              Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

              They should also send Boeing managers an invoice for all of the extra costs of supporting the astronauts and returning them via alternate methods.

              FTFY as long as the company pays, they won't give a rat crap. They only care when they own pocket is in risk.

              M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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              Starliner's costs have been coming out of Boeing's pockets for over three years now. Starliner was a fixed cost contract so once the NASA (government) money was spent Boeing had to pay for everything. Boeing's filings with the SEC indicate they've spent close to a billion dollars of their own money on Starliner.

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              • K Kent Sharkey

                The last number I heard was 1 in 780 for a failure of the Starliner, so I guess they decided not to risk it (or that denominator got smaller). This gives them until February to figure out a solution so that the Boeing suits work with the SpaceX vehicle[^]. :~

                TTFN - Kent

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                obermd
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                I suspect SpaceX will be making suits for them. NASA already has their size information as well as their backup suits (at least two flight suits are made for each astronaut in case one fails safety checks).

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                • K Kent Sharkey

                  The Verge[^]:

                  After the Boeing Starliner spacecraft’s thruster, valve, and helium issues, it will return to Earth without the two astronauts onboard.

                  Better late than never

                  Good job, Boeing. Episode too many to count

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                  I'm hoping Starliner burns up on reentry. - Boeing only has 6 Atlas rockets set aside for future Starliner missions - Boeing doesn't have any backup capsules. A destroyed Starliner will effectively end Boeing's participation in the Commercial Crew program. A successful return would potentially put future astronauts at risk with this capsule. This makes me wonder if Artemis, also built by Boeing, will be truly reusable. We already know the Artemis (SLS) heat shield barely survived reentry and NASA and Boeing are relooking at the heat shield design and materials.

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                    Starliner's costs have been coming out of Boeing's pockets for over three years now. Starliner was a fixed cost contract so once the NASA (government) money was spent Boeing had to pay for everything. Boeing's filings with the SEC indicate they've spent close to a billion dollars of their own money on Starliner.

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                    Nelek
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                    Still company money, not managers private money

                    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                    • D David ONeil

                      I was kinda hoping that first they would send all of Boeing's upper management up to get them first, in a quick Boeing built custom craft designed for the job. But they should probably do it synchronously, to improve the odds of getting the astronauts back.

                      Our Forgotten Astronomy | Object Oriented Programming with C++ | Wordle solver

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                      David O'Neil wrote:

                      I was kinda hoping that first they would send all of Boeing's upper management on a one-way ticket to the Moon

                      FTFY How dare those corporate bastards risk people's lives merely so their bonus isn't cut for the year? :mad: [David A. Stewart – One Way Ticket to the Moon Lyrics | Genius Lyrics](https://genius.com/David-a-stewart-one-way-ticket-to-the-moon-lyrics)

                      Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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