They are not obsolete...Klingon developers don't use MS-'secure-versions' of the oldie-goldie CRT functions :rolleyes: If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile. This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke [My articles]