raysuman wrote: the problem is that there is no gurantee that this object will be created in program lifetime perhaps calling IsWindow(..) with the handle of the static control to receive the text from before doing so helps We are men. We are different. We have only one word for soap. We do not own candles. We have never seen anything of any value in a craft shop. We do not own magazines full of photographs of celebrities with their clothes on. - Steve