Hi, I'm a VBer, I can't wite much C++ beyond "Hello Inclusive Multicultural Global Society" [ex-Pascal too], but I'm getting kinda tired of: (1) not really knowing what is going on in there (proxy and stub who?), and/or (2) having the feeling of missing something fundamental: for me it feels like hiring a self drive 7-tonner on a automatic driving licence, when I'm trying to figure out why my latest and greatest dog-food app. hangs my colleagues machine (what! you serously think I'd test my own work, hey I wrote it I know what it is like inside!) I'm a *big* *big* fan of this site mainly because I want to extend my knowledge; I'm out of my depth amoung these people. I think that skill-set enhancement is a pretty common desire amongst our (I'm including you, if I may) breed. The peer group have written some wonderful tutorials (go see, there's even VB), and are more then helpful when reasonable questions are asked. IMHO devotees of other languages go to other well known sites because that's where they would expect their peers to be. I'm off to www.csharpindex.com now (oooh infamy), perhaps I'll 'see' you there?! Kind regards Al. ATL, whatever that is, all the way!