One of the two people who wrote by iostreams book is female, and it is VERY good. The only thing is that she is obviously smarter than I am, and I need to read every page five times. I think the barrier to girls programming is social, not biological. It exists right now, but will fade in time. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002