I wanna develop an Operating system!
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Owner drawn wrote:
Had Linus Torvalds thought like that then there would have been no Linux today.
Well, Linus didn't start from scratch as you seem to want to do. And there's no need for you to do that. Why don't you take a look at Minix, or Darwin, or OpenSolaris, and look for ways to extend one of those. Then along the way you can change the core to suit your needs - just like Linus did with Minix which eventually became Linux.
Well, if you'd like to build your own kernel. Which I guess you'd want to at some point. The book "Hackin the Linux Kernel" is quite good. Of course it's specific to Linux but you will learn a helluva lot about the organization of an OS kernel even if your own design is very different from Linux/Unix/Minix/Solaris/Darwin. And you also need all the theoretical knowledge you can get from books like Tannenbaum's "Modern Operating Systems", or Silberschatz's "Operating System Concepts". I like the latter, but many enjoy, well love even, Tannenbaum so your mileage may wary. I've heard good stuf about Stalling's "Operating Systems : Internals and Design Principles" as well, but I have not read it so I cannot really comment on that one. There's also "Writing Your Own Toy OS" to get you started: Writing Your Own Toy OS (Part I) http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue77/krishnakumar.html[^] Writing Your Own Toy OS (PART II) http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue79/krishnakumar.html[^] Writing your own Toy OS - Part III http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue82/raghu.html[^] -- modified at 8:23 Thursday 5th January, 2006
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I'm afraid Singularity will never make it out of the lab... It's a competitor to Windows from Microsoft you're talking about...
Super Lloyd wrote:
It's a competitor to Windows
The chanel9 presentations I saw showed an OS that wasn’t capable of really anything. They have a few hard coded apps to do specific tasks (no UI) and not much of a framework to extend it. I just think the idea is interesting that’s all.
ZeePain! wrote:
This seems like one of those programs that started small, grew incrementally, building internal pressure, and finally barfed all over its source code sneakers. Or something.
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Super Lloyd wrote:
It's a competitor to Windows
The chanel9 presentations I saw showed an OS that wasn’t capable of really anything. They have a few hard coded apps to do specific tasks (no UI) and not much of a framework to extend it. I just think the idea is interesting that’s all.
ZeePain! wrote:
This seems like one of those programs that started small, grew incrementally, building internal pressure, and finally barfed all over its source code sneakers. Or something.
sfdougl wrote:
The chanel9 presentations I saw showed an OS that wasn’t capable of really anything
Well you've got to start somewhere.... And the same channel9 video I saw as well plus a few paper I read too explained clearly that was a complete OS kernel, it was already capable of: - managing device (interruption)(including keyboard, screen, mouse , network card, hard drives and had an extensible C# driver framework) - was able to launch and kill process & thread and manage their resources. What else are you expecting from an OS Kernel? Everything else is user level addition...
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:wtf: He he Any tips? Hmmm... I am expecting lot's of fireworks.:sigh: Once done I will be sending a copy to all of you.:):-D:laugh:
Love Forgives--Love Gives--Jesus is Love :)
--Owner Drawn --Nothing special --Defeat is temporary but surrender is permanent --Never say quits --Jesus is Lord
Owner drawn wrote:
Once done I will be sending a copy to all of you
That's all I need, another virus ! :~
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sfdougl wrote:
The chanel9 presentations I saw showed an OS that wasn’t capable of really anything
Well you've got to start somewhere.... And the same channel9 video I saw as well plus a few paper I read too explained clearly that was a complete OS kernel, it was already capable of: - managing device (interruption)(including keyboard, screen, mouse , network card, hard drives and had an extensible C# driver framework) - was able to launch and kill process & thread and manage their resources. What else are you expecting from an OS Kernel? Everything else is user level addition...
Super Lloyd wrote:
What else are you expecting from an OS Kernel?
:) A full OS Seriously, Im sure that some of the code base from this project will end up in Windows, or at least concepts.
ZeePain! wrote:
This seems like one of those programs that started small, grew incrementally, building internal pressure, and finally barfed all over its source code sneakers. Or something.
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J. Dunlap wrote:
Write it in .NET
To late already been done. Singularity[^] Although it would be nice to see a fully functional managed OS.
ZeePain! wrote:
This seems like one of those programs that started small, grew incrementally, building internal pressure, and finally barfed all over its source code sneakers. Or something.
That's what I was thinking of when I said it. I think it's awesome. I watched the whole video when it came out, and that's somewhat rare for me because I don't have a lot of time on my hands. Build .NET into the OS and you have some major performance improvements and a lot of new possibilities. I doubt that Singularity will be developed into anything fully functional though, but I hope I'm wrong.
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My take was "stop telling me to quit smoking". But it could be anything. I'm getting paranoid reading the forums nowdays, re-reading each word, adding likely letters to try and make sense of it all. Maybe it's "never say quilts"?
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Maybe it is 'never sew quilts', which would truly be a shame. Marriage slows down your coding, a baby slows it down even more!
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How about selling coffee to humans? Then you have a business model that may be realised by about 2020. The DJ's took pills to stay awake and play for seven days. - Jim Morrison, Black Polished Chrome.
StarBucks has already done that. Marriage slows down your coding, a baby slows it down even more!
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Owner drawn wrote:
Any tips?
If you have to ask.... perhaps you should rethink? I wrote one back in college, mostly because I couldn't afford the ProDOS upgrade to my Apple ][ and I was bored. Do something unusual like I did like provide a Lexical Analysis front end (natural speech understanding) or real-time event management. Just making an OS for the heck of it is not a great idea. Doing so to learn how one does it, that's a reasonable idea. But if you have to ask for help, you are not ready to write an OS. Perhaps you can study all the work on Linux, FreeDOS, and others first? The time it would take a single person to write a modern OS is too long. Sure you could probably write a text DOS like FreeDOS in a few weeks if you had nothing else to do, but to hand it out? Linux and Windows all have graphical front ends, so to make it modernly "useful" you have several years worth of individual work. Why not put some of the effort into improving what is available rather than writing something new? Though if you want to rewrite my LANA OS, I won't complain, but the Cheryl Tiegs front end is rather old for today's world (and shows when I wrote it). You might want to upgrade that interface to a newer uh... "model" (pun intended). _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
I want a "Cheryl Tiegs front end" on my computer! "we must lose precision to make significant statements about complex systems." -deKorvin on uncertainty
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:wtf: He he Any tips? Hmmm... I am expecting lot's of fireworks.:sigh: Once done I will be sending a copy to all of you.:):-D:laugh:
Love Forgives--Love Gives--Jesus is Love :)
--Owner Drawn --Nothing special --Defeat is temporary but surrender is permanent --Never say quits --Jesus is Lord
Open a project at SourceForge then after 10 years developing you'll get DOS with a user interface, got 20 years to catch up!! Good luck, let me know if I can help in 20 years when you are developing a .NET platform Cheers Al
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:wtf: He he Any tips? Hmmm... I am expecting lot's of fireworks.:sigh: Once done I will be sending a copy to all of you.:):-D:laugh:
Love Forgives--Love Gives--Jesus is Love :)
--Owner Drawn --Nothing special --Defeat is temporary but surrender is permanent --Never say quits --Jesus is Lord
more power to ya!! enjoy the ride!
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
If you're serious
Grrr.... How many times I told I am damn serious. Right from my college days I am reading and reading and thinking and thinking about this. I have learned a lot. And I am starting off with the BootLoader. Let's see. I am buying a trial computer(A Guinea pig...He he).
Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
this[^] book for starters
Thanks ravi for this. I have this already. A very cute book.
Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
Browsing through thru the Linux source code can also be educational, though not easy.
Ravi can you tell me where can I find. I am not able to find a specific location. I need help in this.:sigh: Once again thanks mate:-D. You are very encouraging.:->
Love Forgives--Love Gives--Jesus is Love :)
--Owner Drawn --Nothing special --Defeat is temporary but surrender is permanent --Never say quits --Jesus is Lord
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Owner drawn wrote:
Once done I will be sending a copy to all of you
That's all I need, another virus ! :~
Darka wrote:
That's all I need, another virus !
You won't get this virus.:| Rest assured. (Rest in Pieces:rose:)
Love Forgives--Love Gives--Jesus is Love :)
--Owner Drawn --Nothing special --Defeat is temporary but surrender is permanent --Never say quits --Jesus is Lord
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Open a project at SourceForge then after 10 years developing you'll get DOS with a user interface, got 20 years to catch up!! Good luck, let me know if I can help in 20 years when you are developing a .NET platform Cheers Al
Albert Pascual wrote:
Open a project at SourceForge then after 10 years developing you'll get DOS with a user interface, got 20 years to catch up!!
With this thought of yours be assured you are not going to reach anywhere.:|
Albert Pascual wrote:
Good luck, let me know if I can help in 20 years when you are developing a .NET platform
How can you help. Coz you will be using it.
Love Forgives--Love Gives--Jesus is Love :)
--Owner Drawn --Nothing special --Defeat is temporary but surrender is permanent --Never say quits --Jesus is Lord
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more power to ya!! enjoy the ride!
ahz wrote:
more power to ya!! enjoy the ride!
:cool: You'll have a copy.:laugh::rose:
Love Forgives--Love Gives--Jesus is Love :)
--Owner Drawn --Nothing special --Defeat is temporary but surrender is permanent --Never say quits --Jesus is Lord
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Don't listen to the nay-sayers. After all, Linux started with just one person. I say however, its gonna require a lot of study, and I mean A LOT. And plenty of work -- too much for one person in fact. It's best to either start a group or join one if you want to make a full-fledged OS. If you're looking to join one, then this project would surely love help and you can learn so much from then. http://www.reactos.org/xhtml/en/index.html[^] Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Don't listen to the nay-sayers
Never.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
After all, Linux started with just one person
Yeap. Well said. You have a good mind.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I say however, its gonna require a lot of study, and I mean A LOT.
Ask me. I spent hours and hours and hours......No end. (God help me). But I enjoy every bit of it.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
And plenty of work -- too much for one person in fact
I will make it.:-D
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
It's best to either start a group or join one if you want to make a full-fledged OS.
Hmmm... Thanks Jeremy Falcon (Nice name).
Love Forgives--Love Gives--Jesus is Love :)
--Owner Drawn --Nothing special --Defeat is temporary but surrender is permanent --Never say quits --Jesus is Lord
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Albert Pascual wrote:
Open a project at SourceForge then after 10 years developing you'll get DOS with a user interface, got 20 years to catch up!!
With this thought of yours be assured you are not going to reach anywhere.:|
Albert Pascual wrote:
Good luck, let me know if I can help in 20 years when you are developing a .NET platform
How can you help. Coz you will be using it.
Love Forgives--Love Gives--Jesus is Love :)
--Owner Drawn --Nothing special --Defeat is temporary but surrender is permanent --Never say quits --Jesus is Lord
Prove me wrong please! You could be the next http://lindows.com Cheers Al
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I want a "Cheryl Tiegs front end" on my computer! "we must lose precision to make significant statements about complex systems." -deKorvin on uncertainty
Curtis S. wrote:
I want a "Cheryl Tiegs front end" on my computer!
My brother dropped the disk in a bucket of mop water to p*ss me off to see if he could make me mad enough to have an excuse to well, finish what he often tried to do. I never rewrote it. It was pretty corny even for the day. Took the Cheryl Tiegs pictorial images from ... err... a magazine known for staples through belly buttons in the day. And animated the mouth via sprite slide animation. She didn't speak, per se, I hated the sound from SAM synthesizer of the day, so I never linked the two, but the sentance structure interpretation rivaled anything else of the day. :) It was still fun to write, just never rewrote it using modern methods. maybe a 3D interface with ... err... soft-body physics... a bit of "bounce" with excitement... :) that would do. Though I think I would choose the bounce of Drew Barrymore today... or perhaps Christy Canyon.... :rolleyes: _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Open a project at SourceForge then after 10 years developing you'll get DOS with a user interface, got 20 years to catch up!! Good luck, let me know if I can help in 20 years when you are developing a .NET platform Cheers Al
Actually, just because MS took that long doesn't mean it's required. Also, it's stupid to think MS is the only company out there that can do it because it takes work. For all you know, this guy could be the next Bill G and people would look stupid on this post then. Maybe he won't be either, but that's called life. What's the damn point of life without a goal anyway. Jeremy Falcon
