Another question about source control tools
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I know this has been talked a thousand times here before, but I have one specific question. I've been using Sourcegear Vault[^] myself for some time and I've been very happy with it (locally and remotely). Now that I have two people working with me, I'm thinking about buying three licenses for it, but US $1000 is a lot money :^) I have SourceSafe 2005 with my MSDN suscription, and for one moment I tried to consider it, but I didn't find great reviews on the web. Basically the requirements is that it should work well remotely (through a VPN), and very easy to use. So, Vault or SourceSafe 2005? and, Vault or SourceSafe 2005 and $1000 in cash? -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
Should be: Vault or Subversion[^] I wouldn't recommend SS unless you're already using it and lazy.
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I know this has been talked a thousand times here before, but I have one specific question. I've been using Sourcegear Vault[^] myself for some time and I've been very happy with it (locally and remotely). Now that I have two people working with me, I'm thinking about buying three licenses for it, but US $1000 is a lot money :^) I have SourceSafe 2005 with my MSDN suscription, and for one moment I tried to consider it, but I didn't find great reviews on the web. Basically the requirements is that it should work well remotely (through a VPN), and very easy to use. So, Vault or SourceSafe 2005? and, Vault or SourceSafe 2005 and $1000 in cash? -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
I would steer clear of SourceSafe if I were you. But if you decide to go that way, SourceGear also makes a remote interface for SourceSafe that works much better than the one that comes with SS. See SourceOffSite[^]
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I would steer clear of SourceSafe if I were you. But if you decide to go that way, SourceGear also makes a remote interface for SourceSafe that works much better than the one that comes with SS. See SourceOffSite[^]
If I'm going to buy something, then it'll be Vault and not SourceOffSite. I'm thinking about SourceSafe because I already have it, but overall I'm very happy with Vault. It's just that I read that SS 2005 has better remote support. -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
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Should be: Vault or Subversion[^] I wouldn't recommend SS unless you're already using it and lazy.
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Everyone always talks about Subversion here (and TortoiseSVN)... is it really that good? -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
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Everyone always talks about Subversion here (and TortoiseSVN)... is it really that good? -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
is it really that good?
Eh... it's sufficient, while SS often isn't. I have a hard time getting wildly excited about source control - it's very useful, and i'd argue necessary in any kind of team environment... but it's kinda like talking about file managers - at the end of the day, either they do what they're supposed to or they don't. Pass/fail. SS just plain won't do a fair number of things that i need, and so it ends up costing time and adding mistakes to my workflow. Subversion is, i donno, Norton Commander to SS's
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I know this has been talked a thousand times here before, but I have one specific question. I've been using Sourcegear Vault[^] myself for some time and I've been very happy with it (locally and remotely). Now that I have two people working with me, I'm thinking about buying three licenses for it, but US $1000 is a lot money :^) I have SourceSafe 2005 with my MSDN suscription, and for one moment I tried to consider it, but I didn't find great reviews on the web. Basically the requirements is that it should work well remotely (through a VPN), and very easy to use. So, Vault or SourceSafe 2005? and, Vault or SourceSafe 2005 and $1000 in cash? -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
The development team I work with has been testing out Vault and so far the results are positive. Another thing VS 2005 requires a licensed 2005 SQL Server. "People who never make mistakes, never do anything." My Blog -- modified at 13:09 Friday 6th January, 2006
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The development team I work with has been testing out Vault and so far the results are positive. Another thing VS 2005 requires a licensed 2005 SQL Server. "People who never make mistakes, never do anything." My Blog -- modified at 13:09 Friday 6th January, 2006
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
The development team I work with has been testing out Vault and so far the results are positive
Yes, I've tested it personally. But since I haven't used SS, I don't know if Vault is really ($289 x 3) dollars better!
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
thing VS 2005 requires a licensed 2005 SQL Server.
I have that in my Action Pack. -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
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Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
is it really that good?
Eh... it's sufficient, while SS often isn't. I have a hard time getting wildly excited about source control - it's very useful, and i'd argue necessary in any kind of team environment... but it's kinda like talking about file managers - at the end of the day, either they do what they're supposed to or they don't. Pass/fail. SS just plain won't do a fair number of things that i need, and so it ends up costing time and adding mistakes to my workflow. Subversion is, i donno, Norton Commander to SS's
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I know SS has been very bad, for I was hoping SS 2005 had been vastly improved. After all, it's been 7 years since the last SS 6.0. -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
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If I'm going to buy something, then it'll be Vault and not SourceOffSite. I'm thinking about SourceSafe because I already have it, but overall I'm very happy with Vault. It's just that I read that SS 2005 has better remote support. -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
If I'm going to buy something, then it'll be Vault and not SourceOffSite
Well good call. But if cost is an issue... then maybe it's a choice. But, my VCS of choice is Peforce[^]. So if you do choose to go the more costly route, then consider Perforce. However, at $800 (US) a seat, it's definately more costly.
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Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
If I'm going to buy something, then it'll be Vault and not SourceOffSite
Well good call. But if cost is an issue... then maybe it's a choice. But, my VCS of choice is Peforce[^]. So if you do choose to go the more costly route, then consider Perforce. However, at $800 (US) a seat, it's definately more costly.
I read about Perforce being good, but that's more than I can afford. I'm thinking about choosing Vault. The general opinion here seems to be that SS is just not good. -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
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Everyone always talks about Subversion here (and TortoiseSVN)... is it really that good? -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
Everyone always talks about Subversion here (and TortoiseSVN)... is it really that good?
That depends :) For those of us who are quite enthusiastic about source code control so much that we use it at home it's great. It's free and it does almost everything you could want a source control system to do. Part of the reason a lot of us feel that it's great is that we've been stuck using CVS up until Subversion. The major downfall of subversion IMHO is the hosting solutions. If you want to host Subversion yourself you must either 1) Host it through Apache 2) Host it via SSH However it's also great to just get someone else to host it for you. I prefer www.wush.net. Cheap, efficient and great uptime. Jared Parsons jaredp@beanseed.org http://jaredparsons.blogspot.com/[^]
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I know this has been talked a thousand times here before, but I have one specific question. I've been using Sourcegear Vault[^] myself for some time and I've been very happy with it (locally and remotely). Now that I have two people working with me, I'm thinking about buying three licenses for it, but US $1000 is a lot money :^) I have SourceSafe 2005 with my MSDN suscription, and for one moment I tried to consider it, but I didn't find great reviews on the web. Basically the requirements is that it should work well remotely (through a VPN), and very easy to use. So, Vault or SourceSafe 2005? and, Vault or SourceSafe 2005 and $1000 in cash? -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
Okay...
With PVCS being the last version control system I used (and hated) I decided to get away from SourceSafe (hold the tomatoes please) and try Subversion with TortoiseSVN. I've got a wad of Linux and Windows servers to choose from. Honestly though setting up something like this on Linux is just *too* easy (not kidding either tar it config it run it, easy). So I decided to get it up and running on my Windows 2003 Small Business Server. In a nutshell I blew most of my afternoon on this as I had to answer phones, fix a few client software problems the usual Friday burn.
Here's what I wound up using and the whole process should be working in under 30 minutes.
As you follow the links this is the process I used.
On the server:
*One click subversion installer.
*Tortoise GUI front-end (restart required)
//--Follow steps below--//On all clients:
* Tortoise GUI front-end (restart required)Get the SVN installer and related junk (skip this and use this):
One Click Subversion Installer[^]Get the Tortoise (GUI Subversion Front-End from here):
Tortoise SVN GUI[^]You've got it installed but you haven't done anything with it. Use this guide for setting up a subversion server for Unreal builds. Obviously quit where it gets unreal specific and you're good to go.
Subversion for Unreal[^]After you get the service running click the "Setting up subversion" link in the above tutorial or click here:
The subversion project details...[ -
Okay...
With PVCS being the last version control system I used (and hated) I decided to get away from SourceSafe (hold the tomatoes please) and try Subversion with TortoiseSVN. I've got a wad of Linux and Windows servers to choose from. Honestly though setting up something like this on Linux is just *too* easy (not kidding either tar it config it run it, easy). So I decided to get it up and running on my Windows 2003 Small Business Server. In a nutshell I blew most of my afternoon on this as I had to answer phones, fix a few client software problems the usual Friday burn.
Here's what I wound up using and the whole process should be working in under 30 minutes.
As you follow the links this is the process I used.
On the server:
*One click subversion installer.
*Tortoise GUI front-end (restart required)
//--Follow steps below--//On all clients:
* Tortoise GUI front-end (restart required)Get the SVN installer and related junk (skip this and use this):
One Click Subversion Installer[^]Get the Tortoise (GUI Subversion Front-End from here):
Tortoise SVN GUI[^]You've got it installed but you haven't done anything with it. Use this guide for setting up a subversion server for Unreal builds. Obviously quit where it gets unreal specific and you're good to go.
Subversion for Unreal[^]After you get the service running click the "Setting up subversion" link in the above tutorial or click here:
The subversion project details...[Thanks Rex. As always, great answer from you. I'll set up my own server using these guides during the weekend, trying to get a feel for Subversion. Then I'll be in a better position to judge. :) Thanks! -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
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I know this has been talked a thousand times here before, but I have one specific question. I've been using Sourcegear Vault[^] myself for some time and I've been very happy with it (locally and remotely). Now that I have two people working with me, I'm thinking about buying three licenses for it, but US $1000 is a lot money :^) I have SourceSafe 2005 with my MSDN suscription, and for one moment I tried to consider it, but I didn't find great reviews on the web. Basically the requirements is that it should work well remotely (through a VPN), and very easy to use. So, Vault or SourceSafe 2005? and, Vault or SourceSafe 2005 and $1000 in cash? -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
I've only used VSS since 1996'ish so I'm speaking out of ignorance here. I see a lot of angst against VSS so my question is what is it specifically that people don't like? Now that VSS 2005 can be accessed via HTTP it seems pretty good to me but then again I don't know anything else. E=mc2 -> BOOM
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Thanks Rex. As always, great answer from you. I'll set up my own server using these guides during the weekend, trying to get a feel for Subversion. Then I'll be in a better position to judge. :) Thanks! -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
I forgot the Tortoise link it's added in now it's the 2nd link I refer to.
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Thanks Rex. As always, great answer from you. I'll set up my own server using these guides during the weekend, trying to get a feel for Subversion. Then I'll be in a better position to judge. :) Thanks! -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
Thanks Rex. As always, great answer from you.
Think just how awesome this place might be if everyone spent the 20 or 30 minutes it takes to offer a great answer here and there... As it is we do a pretty good job but if we all tried a bit harder... Man, we'd be kings!!!:cool:
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Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
Thanks Rex. As always, great answer from you.
Think just how awesome this place might be if everyone spent the 20 or 30 minutes it takes to offer a great answer here and there... As it is we do a pretty good job but if we all tried a bit harder... Man, we'd be kings!!!:cool:
Some assembly required. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
code-frog wrote:
this place might be if everyone spent the 20 or 30 minutes it takes to offer a great answer
Yes I know. More often that not spending that extra minute to get a link or to explain in a little more detail is a hundred times more helpful to those reading the post. I really appreciate the time you took with your post, and because you made it look easy, I'll actually give it some time tomorrow to install and test Subversion. Thanks again :) -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
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code-frog wrote:
this place might be if everyone spent the 20 or 30 minutes it takes to offer a great answer
Yes I know. More often that not spending that extra minute to get a link or to explain in a little more detail is a hundred times more helpful to those reading the post. I really appreciate the time you took with your post, and because you made it look easy, I'll actually give it some time tomorrow to install and test Subversion. Thanks again :) -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
and because you made it look easy
That's what kept me from doing it for so long. It was just a headache I didn't need. Today I decided to go for it. I got SVN installed and I got Tortoise installed. I couldn't get anything to link up and work. :sigh: I was almost ready to give up when I did a google for "subversion server windows" and that's when I got the unreal hit. I went and looked at that post and that guy makes it easy. He tells you how to setup the subversion server as a service (you have to get the Windows Server resource kit for that, no problem though you can use it on XP or 2000 you just need two files that let you make an .exe into a service). He then went into some very simple but show stopping steps (if you don't know them) for setting up a subversion service in the registry. Then starting the service and he takes you from there. He doesn't omit any steps. Had I found his stuff first I would have been up and running across my network in under 30 minutes... Ah well... That's how it goes. Someone makes it easy for everyone you just have to find it... That's the kicker.:cool:
Some assembly required. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
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Everyone always talks about Subversion here (and TortoiseSVN)... is it really that good? -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
Everyone always talks about Subversion here (and TortoiseSVN)... is it really that good?
I find it crap. I dont like source control that soils your source tree... X| xacc.ide-0.1.1.4 - now with LSharp integration and scripting :)
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code-frog wrote:
this place might be if everyone spent the 20 or 30 minutes it takes to offer a great answer
Yes I know. More often that not spending that extra minute to get a link or to explain in a little more detail is a hundred times more helpful to those reading the post. I really appreciate the time you took with your post, and because you made it look easy, I'll actually give it some time tomorrow to install and test Subversion. Thanks again :) -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
Hi, Let me just add that I'm running svn on a windows 2000 server through apache. I was trying to figure out how to set it up when I discovered that the guys doing tortoiseSVN have actually made a step-by-step guide on the tortoiseSVN help file :o) So try this: Install TortoiseSVN on the client (They have JUST release the 1.3 RC1, I think its ok to use) on the client Open the help file and get instructions in chapter 3 on how to install apache and subversion on your server. This way, you can access your repository through http://servername/svn - which means that you can access it from anywhere. Or you can do a vpn to the server first if that is required on your network. Further, you can use WebSVN[^] with some extra apache/php modules to view sourcecode in your browser. With syntax colouring, changelogs, blame-support etc etc. /Jan Do you know why it's important to make fast decisions? Because you give yourself more time to correct your mistakes, when you find out that you made the wrong one. Chris Meech on deciding whether to go to his daughters graduation or a Neil Young concert