Aero gas
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The primary change is that the display is 3D accelerated, windows become textures on planes in a 3D layered environment. A change in look is expected, I'm with the rest of you yawning at the exact choice in appearance, but I am glad they finally 3D accelerated the Aero environment. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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What do you think of the Aero Glass look/theme for Windows Vista? Derek announced that it is the official look[^]. You can see some screenshots from build 5270 at Paul Thurrott's site[^]. I realise it is not finished and there are still months of polish to be done but overall I am disapointed. This is not the look of a modern, fresh, clean and usable OS in my opinion. The dark, techy look with the distorting transparency is quite awful. I do like the layout changes but the look is very uninspiring. (If your reply contains "You can change the theme so stop whining!" I have to point out that that is not the point.) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
I like it - but what happened to the cool side panel that could house UI widgets? (i've been out of the vista loop lately) Also two concerns about these screenshots: 1) the tray icons don't have the XP show/hide button :( I hope they haven't removed that - I hate tray icons! 2) why is the explorer status bar like 50 pixels high? On the one screenshot it just says "8 items" but takes up massive space. (However I can see on the window behind it the status bar has various meta data displayed there which could be useful)
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
I am glad they finally 3D accelerated the Aero environment.
This is something I have never wished for in a desktop environment. In fact I fear it.
The hardware acceleration or the 3D? regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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I like it - but what happened to the cool side panel that could house UI widgets? (i've been out of the vista loop lately) Also two concerns about these screenshots: 1) the tray icons don't have the XP show/hide button :( I hope they haven't removed that - I hate tray icons! 2) why is the explorer status bar like 50 pixels high? On the one screenshot it just says "8 items" but takes up massive space. (However I can see on the window behind it the status bar has various meta data displayed there which could be useful)
maybe they replace the "Sidebar" with a bigger status bar ?
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
I am glad they finally 3D accelerated the Aero environment.
This is something I have never wished for in a desktop environment. In fact I fear it.
David Kentley wrote:
This is something I have never wished for in a desktop environment.
It beats 2D blitting which is all the OS has been doing. Texture memory is persistant, it saves a heck of a LOT of processing in the rasterization process. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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What do you think of the Aero Glass look/theme for Windows Vista? Derek announced that it is the official look[^]. You can see some screenshots from build 5270 at Paul Thurrott's site[^]. I realise it is not finished and there are still months of polish to be done but overall I am disapointed. This is not the look of a modern, fresh, clean and usable OS in my opinion. The dark, techy look with the distorting transparency is quite awful. I do like the layout changes but the look is very uninspiring. (If your reply contains "You can change the theme so stop whining!" I have to point out that that is not the point.) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
I really really like it. I love the blur effect you get as you cover one window with another. I love the way windows fly across the screen as you minimize them. I love when you Alt-Tab all the windows stack up in across the screen so you can choose through them quickly. I think Aero is the best desktop ms have ever produced. I think it looks a lot easier on the eye. I think it's a joy to work with. I want elegant beautiful ui - some of the people who've replied to this post make that sound like a bad thing. I don't understand. Joel Holdsworth
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What do you think of the Aero Glass look/theme for Windows Vista? Derek announced that it is the official look[^]. You can see some screenshots from build 5270 at Paul Thurrott's site[^]. I realise it is not finished and there are still months of polish to be done but overall I am disapointed. This is not the look of a modern, fresh, clean and usable OS in my opinion. The dark, techy look with the distorting transparency is quite awful. I do like the layout changes but the look is very uninspiring. (If your reply contains "You can change the theme so stop whining!" I have to point out that that is not the point.) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
I'm runnung XP on Windows Classic - for a reason. Judging from the screenshots, I don't like it very much, but it's better than LegoXP.
We say "get a life" to each other, disappointed or jokingly. What we forget, though, is that this is possibly the most destructive advice you can give to a geek.
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I really really like it. I love the blur effect you get as you cover one window with another. I love the way windows fly across the screen as you minimize them. I love when you Alt-Tab all the windows stack up in across the screen so you can choose through them quickly. I think Aero is the best desktop ms have ever produced. I think it looks a lot easier on the eye. I think it's a joy to work with. I want elegant beautiful ui - some of the people who've replied to this post make that sound like a bad thing. I don't understand. Joel Holdsworth
I think that is just it. It is not elegant by an stretch of the imagination and calling it beautiful is debatable. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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I'll worry about what it looks like after it's proven that it actually works. If recent trends in MS's product releases are any indication, they pay more attention to appearances than functionality. I'll stick with XP for a while. Marc Pensieve
Saw a really interesting article, from a link here baout the changes to the kernel. 50 minute talk. Well worth it though. An awful lot going on interally, and a fairly honest talk about exitsting failings. http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=148820[^] -- modified at 9:41 Tuesday 10th January, 2006 No idea why this is here, I posted it to Marc.
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I'll worry about what it looks like after it's proven that it actually works. If recent trends in MS's product releases are any indication, they pay more attention to appearances than functionality. I'll stick with XP for a while. Marc Pensieve
Saw a really interesting article, from a link here baout the changes to the kernel. 50 minute talk. Well worth it though. An awful lot going on interally, and a fairly honest talk about exitsting failings. http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=148820[^]
"Je pense, donc je mange." - Rene Descartes 1689 - Just before his mother put his tea on the table. Shameless Plug - Distributed Database Transactions in .NET using COM+
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The hardware acceleration or the 3D? regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote:
The hardware acceleration or the 3D?
Well, to be honest, Windows was hardware accelerated in 2D. A combination of processor extensions and 2D acceleration on graphics cards did accelerate Windows operation. One of the difficulties was that all operations were blitted around using a fast version of memory movement. Without a z-buffer you build the display up by drawing bottom up and overlapping sections are often repeated, in part or whole. There are some accelerations for this based on prior status (top-bottom) of blit-blocks zones (and some fancier algorithms), but it still doesn't touch hardware z-buffering for handling overlapping objects. A fast Z-test on overlapping windows, even if it employs no change in appearance, has still been needed for a very long time, plus it simplifies the system rather than overcomplicates it. One of the difficulties with the 2D acceleration of Windows has been that it has been burdened with a mass of complication to render the display accordingly, 3D acceleration, if only for the z-buffer simplifies operation. Of course MS had to add extra complication after the 3D process simplified things... but that is to be expected. :rolleyes: _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I like it - but what happened to the cool side panel that could house UI widgets? (i've been out of the vista loop lately) Also two concerns about these screenshots: 1) the tray icons don't have the XP show/hide button :( I hope they haven't removed that - I hate tray icons! 2) why is the explorer status bar like 50 pixels high? On the one screenshot it just says "8 items" but takes up massive space. (However I can see on the window behind it the status bar has various meta data displayed there which could be useful)
Last I heard[^] the Sidebar will be returning in the Beta 2 released to testers. Build 5270 is not the final build of Beta 2. IIRC in Windows XP the show/hide button on the notification area doesn't appear until there are hidden items, and items won't be hidden until it thinks they haven't changed recently. If the screenshots are taken soon after installing the OS (which I suspect these were) the show/hide button may not be active yet. Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
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I'll stick with Win2K for my windows stuff. If I wanted "fluff", I'd get a Mac. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
If I wanted "fluff", I'd get a Mac.
Only if you want white fluff. For multi-coloured fluff, you'll need XP.
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What do you think of the Aero Glass look/theme for Windows Vista? Derek announced that it is the official look[^]. You can see some screenshots from build 5270 at Paul Thurrott's site[^]. I realise it is not finished and there are still months of polish to be done but overall I am disapointed. This is not the look of a modern, fresh, clean and usable OS in my opinion. The dark, techy look with the distorting transparency is quite awful. I do like the layout changes but the look is very uninspiring. (If your reply contains "You can change the theme so stop whining!" I have to point out that that is not the point.) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Doesn't look that bad to me, but then again I don't get too caught up in the looks thing. It's just a computer. If, once I use it, it's easy to get around and do what I need to do, then groovy. BW
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I'm runnung XP on Windows Classic - for a reason. Judging from the screenshots, I don't like it very much, but it's better than LegoXP.
We say "get a life" to each other, disappointed or jokingly. What we forget, though, is that this is possibly the most destructive advice you can give to a geek.
boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighistClassic ! Classic ! Classic ! death to all other styles. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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As if XP's Luna wasn't bad enough. X| I'm sticking with the 'Classic Windows theme' on Win Xp. This looks worse, I agree. :| Cheers, Vikram.
"When I read in books about a "base class", I figured this was the class that was at the bottom of the inheritence tree. It's the "base", right? Like the base of a pyramid." - Marc Clifton.
> As if XP's Luna wasn't bad enough. I'm sticking with the 'Classic Windows theme' on Win Xp. > This looks worse, I agree. Worse yet is trying to use Windows Classic on Vista. It's obvious MS didn't try very hard to make Classic look decent under Vista. Big buttons everywhere... -- modified at 10:24 Tuesday 10th January, 2006 (And I'm saying this as a long-time Windows Classic user)
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Classic ! Classic ! Classic ! death to all other styles. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
So, if Aero/Vista has a classic style option would that be XP default? Would XP Classic then be Vista Classic²? I expect someone will come out with a classic skin fairly rapidly if it isn't available, it is only the icon placement that remains in question to make classic really classic, and I expect someone will provide an interface eventually. I also run classic, I just want it to run smoother and faster. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
I am glad they finally 3D accelerated the Aero environment.
This is something I have never wished for in a desktop environment. In fact I fear it.
If you've ever done game development, you'll quickly recognize hardware acceleration as a very good thing. I predict after a year or two of Vista's public availability, people will get used to the fast, no-window-tearing, no-window-flashing, glassy look of Vista; making it undesireable to go back to XP for the sheer feel of using a hardware accelerated UI.
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Classic ! Classic ! Classic ! death to all other styles. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
To me "Classic" is anything but. X| After 3 years of being able to choose my own theme (and no, it ain't Luna!) I really can't stand the blocky gray look of "Windows Classic" now. If I wanted a Windows 95 system, I'd still be using one... ;P Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Saw a really interesting article, from a link here baout the changes to the kernel. 50 minute talk. Well worth it though. An awful lot going on interally, and a fairly honest talk about exitsting failings. http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=148820[^]
"Je pense, donc je mange." - Rene Descartes 1689 - Just before his mother put his tea on the table. Shameless Plug - Distributed Database Transactions in .NET using COM+
Wow! Talk about a loooooooooong boooooooooring video about kernel changes. The only thing I found interesting was that they were FINALLY going after the multimedia glitches! I'll believe it when i see it. That's been a problem since windows 9x for god's sake! It's 2006!!! And the way they fix it is by adjusting thread prios??? How about going thru the MS GUI code and fixing the PROBLEM?? I know i'm going soap box here, buuuuut... Has anybody seen any GOOD kernel stuff since Win2k? I understand MS has gotten big and can't just DO what it used to. But it's kinda depressing, ain't it??? I mean, they yack for almost an HOUR about what they're doing. And it sure doesn't sound like much. I wish they woulda gone thru that "list" the "irish guy" had a little better in a little more detail. (And a lot faster than they went thru the rest of their "boring bullets") The "irp guy" seemed to be the only one that actually knew anything. Yacking forever about functional dependency by the "black shirt guy" sounds like a MAJOR cop out. Sure, you're mapping it out. How are you MAKING WINDOWS BETTER tho? I mean, when the guy gets a cell phone call in the middle of this, he doesn't exactly appear "oooh so interested" in the conversation. As if he knows as well as I that this is a "blowing smoke" session... And don't get me started on the registry! It =WAS= a bad idea. Admit it. Apps should have to fend for themselves for storing config info. Mixing unrelated stuff together in ONE file just ain't right. I heard a lot of hemming and hawing, but didn't see any results. I know I have no right to complain. And I understand that Microsoft has become IBM. At least they haven't TOTALLY screwed up the win32 api. Yet. I guess I should be happy they haven't done any more damage even if they've stopped innovating. I sure miss those days though. When they wrote new GOOD stuff... It was exciting to see it happen! Win95! MSDN! Win2K! then... Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... (sorry) ...Steve PS: all my opinion of course. I'm likely way off on a lotta stuff. Please be nice when correcting me.
