renaming of cities, airports, etc...
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We don't get too much of that where I live in the United States. What we do is tack on additional, equivalent names. For example, the primary east/west route through my town (Xenia, Ohio) and the next major city (Dayton) is U.S. route 35. In various places, it is also known as East Main Street (in my town), the Korean Veterans Memorial Parkway (a stretch between here and Dayton), and so on. There is one major street in Dayton that has five names over the course of its length. Every little two-bit municipality along the way changes the name of their stretch.
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delete this;Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
For example, the primary east/west route through my town (Xenia, Ohio) and the next major city (Dayton) is U.S. route 35. In various places, it is also known as East Main Street (in my town), the Korean Veterans Memorial Parkway (a stretch between here and Dayton), and so on. There is one major street in Dayton that has five names over the course of its length. Every little two-bit municipality along the way changes the name of their stretch.
Which is older though, the local street names, or the route NN name? I assume the Korean vets segment is a recent rename, but what about the remainder? The non expressway versions generally started out as a mess of local roads and then had the route numbers added later to make nagigation easier for outsiders. The same thing would occur with 'normal' roads. The old wagon rut intersections were often messy and could resemble something like 2 Y's joined at the base or upright/inverted Ts joined at the crossbars and then subsequently rerouted to be square. Or each started out as seperate roads in seperate small towns(X and Y) with wagon ruts between the two that were either unnamed or just refered to as the road to X/road to Y depending on where you started from. Since rationalizing the mess is a major expense for the govt (steet signs, fights over which competing name to choose) and residents (mailbox markers, stationary, lost business from people confused by the rename, etc), it's generally only done for pressing reasons. Ie two Foo Streets is a potential source of confusion for EMS types. Slapping a US/State route NN overtop a long string of local roads that are generally traveled as a group is much less costly/objectionable since residents don't need to do anything and the route number is assigned based on geographic rules. (at least federal numbering is, not sure about state illogic)
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We don't get too much of that where I live in the United States. What we do is tack on additional, equivalent names. For example, the primary east/west route through my town (Xenia, Ohio) and the next major city (Dayton) is U.S. route 35. In various places, it is also known as East Main Street (in my town), the Korean Veterans Memorial Parkway (a stretch between here and Dayton), and so on. There is one major street in Dayton that has five names over the course of its length. Every little two-bit municipality along the way changes the name of their stretch.
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delete this;Glad to see a fellow Ohioan on these boards. I am from Van Wert near Lima. Brett A. Whittington Application Developer
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Funny you should mention something like this today, although my take on this is (probably) a lot less significant than renaming a city... The Ottawa Senators[^] used to play at the Palladium. Pretty cool name. Then they renamed the building to "The Corel Centre" after Corel[^] (yes, that Corel) paid a few million dollars to have their name displayed in big fat letters on the building and on the ice (at a time when they were already bleeding cash). As of today the building is now known as the "Scotiabank Place". How exciting... :zzz: I'm not even a hockey fan. But this is sad.
Daniel Desormeaux wrote:
the "Scotiabank Place".
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In South Africa, there was a wave of renaming in the mid-1990s, but it's starting to happen again and I'm interested to find out what the international view is. The 2 latest renaming proposals are to change the capital's name from Pretoria to Tswane. The other is to change "Johannesburg International Airport" (was Jan Smuts in 1990's) to "Oliver Thambo International Airport". My issue is not the actual renaming, but rather the following: - it makes SA look unstable in political terms, I think - the several billion Rand that will be used to change these names should rather be used to curb the crime and corruption in our country. Does renaming happen in other parts of the world? What about renaming twice in 10 years? Cheers, Simon > blog:: brokenkeyboards > my opinion of VS05 :: here > CV :: PDF > skype me! :: SimonMStewart
we rename stuff all the time, in the US. dead presidents are a prime source of this. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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we rename stuff all the time, in the US. dead presidents are a prime source of this. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
we rename stuff all the time, in the US. dead presidents are a prime source of this.
Holy cow. You mean, 30-40 years in the future, one of your major airports will be called the George Bush II International Airport??? Regards, Nish
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In South Africa, there was a wave of renaming in the mid-1990s, but it's starting to happen again and I'm interested to find out what the international view is. The 2 latest renaming proposals are to change the capital's name from Pretoria to Tswane. The other is to change "Johannesburg International Airport" (was Jan Smuts in 1990's) to "Oliver Thambo International Airport". My issue is not the actual renaming, but rather the following: - it makes SA look unstable in political terms, I think - the several billion Rand that will be used to change these names should rather be used to curb the crime and corruption in our country. Does renaming happen in other parts of the world? What about renaming twice in 10 years? Cheers, Simon > blog:: brokenkeyboards > my opinion of VS05 :: here > CV :: PDF > skype me! :: SimonMStewart
SimonS wrote:
Does renaming happen in other parts of the world?
In parts of Scotland there is a subtle level of de-anglification of placenames. However in other parts there is a noticable anglification of placenames. The latter is very annoying as there was nothing wrong with the Scots name. For example. The Western Isles, about 10-15 years ago, declared that it was now to be known as "Na h-Eileanan Siar" which is fine because 75+% of the population in that area speak Gaelic and that is the Gaelic for Western Isles. The island of Rhum was reverted to Rum. The Victorians had this thing about anglifying place names and they didn't like the idea of an island with the same name as a drink. Strathspey (the correct name) is still having a problem as about half the population refers to it by its anglified name of Speyside. The local tourist board doesn't help by using Speyside. Nearer Edinburgh, the Firth of Forth (the correct name) has, for the purposes of a government organisation, been renamed as the Forth Estuary. If you look on an Ordnance Survey map you will find no estuaries in Scotland. There are lots of Firths (cognate with the Norse word fjord). Scotland is a very confused place that lacks any clear identity. (I'm not talking about the Whisky/Shortbread/Haggis/Kilt wearing identity - I mean a real identity as a day-to-day thing) ColinMackay.net "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucius "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell
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In South Africa, there was a wave of renaming in the mid-1990s, but it's starting to happen again and I'm interested to find out what the international view is. The 2 latest renaming proposals are to change the capital's name from Pretoria to Tswane. The other is to change "Johannesburg International Airport" (was Jan Smuts in 1990's) to "Oliver Thambo International Airport". My issue is not the actual renaming, but rather the following: - it makes SA look unstable in political terms, I think - the several billion Rand that will be used to change these names should rather be used to curb the crime and corruption in our country. Does renaming happen in other parts of the world? What about renaming twice in 10 years? Cheers, Simon > blog:: brokenkeyboards > my opinion of VS05 :: here > CV :: PDF > skype me! :: SimonMStewart
And I just remembered. The City of Glasgow renamed the street where the South African Embassy was located during the height of appartheid. They named it "Nelson Mandela Place" so that all letters sent to the South African Embassy would bear the name of the greatest opponent to apartheid. ColinMackay.net "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucius "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell
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In South Africa, there was a wave of renaming in the mid-1990s, but it's starting to happen again and I'm interested to find out what the international view is. The 2 latest renaming proposals are to change the capital's name from Pretoria to Tswane. The other is to change "Johannesburg International Airport" (was Jan Smuts in 1990's) to "Oliver Thambo International Airport". My issue is not the actual renaming, but rather the following: - it makes SA look unstable in political terms, I think - the several billion Rand that will be used to change these names should rather be used to curb the crime and corruption in our country. Does renaming happen in other parts of the world? What about renaming twice in 10 years? Cheers, Simon > blog:: brokenkeyboards > my opinion of VS05 :: here > CV :: PDF > skype me! :: SimonMStewart
I thought the name changes in SA was more to do with the whole apartheid era, and about eradicating some of the stigma that some of these names still hold. I mean they changed the national anthem to incorporate (7-10 not 100% sure) of the national languages, which I think is great! When I think of the name/anthem changes from outsiders point of view I think that politically they are showing the world they are breaking away from apartheid. I'm not 100% sure throwing more money at crime would solve the issue. I hope over time crime/corruption will eventually get better. Anyway just my 2 cents worth. Cheers David
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Chris Losinger wrote:
we rename stuff all the time, in the US. dead presidents are a prime source of this.
Holy cow. You mean, 30-40 years in the future, one of your major airports will be called the George Bush II International Airport??? Regards, Nish
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Liverpool Airport was renamed John Lennon Airport - Dead pop stars get the same treatment. ColinMackay.net "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucius "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell
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I think locations should be named using GUIDs. It's so much easier to remember (and index)
108b0750-82d6-11da-a72b-0800200c9a66thanVatsala Bai Desai Chowk. And it makes for scintillating cocktail party conversation too."Sally and I had a WONDERFUL time in
4a320b25-c869-4442-b6c3-eec1bd443a5a. We visited thea6d09623-6d36-4302-9282-bb05fb6d415bin, sailed down the4a320b25-c869-4442-b6c3-eec1bd443a5a, and went skiing in the7717d6fc-48db-46d3-8bfd-f91ea39b913b."/ravi My new year's resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Music | Articles | Freeware | Trips ravib(at)ravib(dot)com
Are you going to create the vocal equivalent of email's 64-bit encoding, then? Otherwise, conversations could take quite a bit longer than normal! John
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Chris Losinger wrote:
we rename stuff all the time, in the US. dead presidents are a prime source of this.
Holy cow. You mean, 30-40 years in the future, one of your major airports will be called the George Bush II International Airport??? Regards, Nish
My blog : Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET
probably. for example, see http://www.reaganlegacy.org/dedications/[^] and search for "formerly" to see the kinds of things we've named after Reagan (including a major airport near Washington DC) Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Its kind of stupid, as for many places that get renamed, they will suffer as tourists will not know the new names.
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Giles wrote:
for many places that get renamed, they will suffer as tourists will not know the new names.
Well, that's already a problem for places with a different name in English to the local language. * Sevilla, pronounced Sebíya, is called Seville in English. * Den Haag, is The Hague in English - so you'll need to know the Dutch name in order to drive to it. Or the other way around. In Spanish the river Thames in London is called Tameses - if you ever meet a Spanish tourist asking for guidance they'll get confused if they don't know the translation and you correctly refer to it as the Thames. ColinMackay.net "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucius "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell
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we rename stuff all the time, in the US. dead presidents are a prime source of this. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
in the US. dead presidents are a prime source of this.
Not necessarily. The Houston airport is called 'George Bush International Airport'.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
we rename stuff all the time, in the US. dead presidents are a prime source of this.
Holy cow. You mean, 30-40 years in the future, one of your major airports will be called the George Bush II International Airport??? Regards, Nish
My blog : Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
one of your major airports will be called the George Bush II International Airport??
Houston airport already holds his dad's name. So he will settle for either Austin (Bergstrom) or Dallas (DFW).
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Chris Losinger wrote:
in the US. dead presidents are a prime source of this.
Not necessarily. The Houston airport is called 'George Bush International Airport'.
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sure, and Reagan International in DC was so-named before Reagan died. but i think it helps if they're dead. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Are you going to create the vocal equivalent of email's 64-bit encoding, then? Otherwise, conversations could take quite a bit longer than normal! John
"You said a whole sentence with no words in it, and I understood you!" -- my wife as she cries about slowly becoming a geek.John Fisher wrote:
Otherwise, conversations could take quite a bit longer than normal!
Not if we use compression - for example I could replace
e7e7f686-c510-405b-955a-a8653130d61bwith a smaller symbol likexyzzy. To make the transformations easier to remember, I'd use words that have a physical association to the GUID. So,4a320b25-c869-4442-b6c3-eec1bd443a5awould be "Paris",a6d09623-6d36-4302-9282-bb05fb6d415bwould be "The Louvre", etc., turning the GUID conversation to:"Sally and I had a WONDERFUL time in France. We visited the Louvre in Paris, sailed down the Seine, and went skiing in the French Alps."
Omigosh, I think I've hit upon something! :omg: /ravi My new year's resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Music | Articles | Freeware | Trips ravib(at)ravib(dot)com
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
one of your major airports will be called the George Bush II International Airport??
Houston airport already holds his dad's name. So he will settle for either Austin (Bergstrom) or Dallas (DFW).
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Kant wrote:
So he will settle for either Austin (Bergstrom) or Dallas (DFW).
Logan is a mere ten miles from his birthplace. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
one of your major airports will be called the George Bush II International Airport??
Houston airport already holds his dad's name. So he will settle for either Austin (Bergstrom) or Dallas (DFW).
This signature was created by "Code Project Quoter".
Kant wrote:
Houston airport already holds his dad's name.
But Bush I is still alive, right? Regards, Nish
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sure, and Reagan International in DC was so-named before Reagan died. but i think it helps if they're dead. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
but i think it helps if they're dead.
:~ Regards, Nish
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