IE 7 Beta
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I have recently uninstalled IE 7 Beta for the following reasons: 1. It broke my McAfee Virus Scan 2. It broke my Systran 5.0 Language translator 3. I also suspect it broke iTunes 6.0.2 (but I discovered that iTunes 6.0.1 would work with it installed) Has anyone else experienced similar problems or had applications break as a result of installing it? I did, however, like the convenience of the tabbed browsing and several other features. I will miss it, but for now I need system stability and I need my apps to run! -- modified at 11:36 Sunday 5th February, 2006 I'd also like to add that adding a Favorite to the Favorites menu took an eternity.
I don't use McAfee or Systran but I instaled IE7 alongside iTunes 6.0.2 and both are working fine. Nothing else has broken either. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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thealj wrote:
I did, however, like the convenience of the tabbed browsing and several other features. I will miss it, but for now I need system stability and I need my apps to run!
I guess that's why it is labeled 'beta'. "Art doesn't want to be familiar. It wants to astonish us. Or, in some cases, to enrage us. It wants to move us. To touch us. Not accommodate us, make us comfortable." -- Jamake Highwater Toasty0.com My Grandkids
I expect even the final release to be somewhat unstable, simply because it will be a more radical upgrade functionality wise compared to previous IE versions. And IE tends to be potentially more invasive than, e.g., Opera and Firefox, that aren't hooked into the OS. I certainly won't be using it for some time (unless in a VM). Kevin
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I don't use McAfee or Systran but I instaled IE7 alongside iTunes 6.0.2 and both are working fine. Nothing else has broken either. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote:
I instaled IE7 alongside iTunes 6.0.2 and both are working fine.
I am pretty sure that iTunes has no dependencies upon IE, yet sure enough, when I installed IE 7 it broke my iTunes. Trying to start iTunes would elicit alot of disk activity, but the app would never start. I uninstalled iTunes 6.0.2 and re-installed iTunes 6.0.1 and it started working again. I have now uninstalled IE7, but have not attempted an install of iT 6.0.2 again, so I am not sure if it was IE7 that was responsible...and I'm too lazy to do the install/uninstall again to get a definitive answer... Thanks for the reply.
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I have recently uninstalled IE 7 Beta for the following reasons: 1. It broke my McAfee Virus Scan 2. It broke my Systran 5.0 Language translator 3. I also suspect it broke iTunes 6.0.2 (but I discovered that iTunes 6.0.1 would work with it installed) Has anyone else experienced similar problems or had applications break as a result of installing it? I did, however, like the convenience of the tabbed browsing and several other features. I will miss it, but for now I need system stability and I need my apps to run! -- modified at 11:36 Sunday 5th February, 2006 I'd also like to add that adding a Favorite to the Favorites menu took an eternity.
I don't really use iTunes, so I can't say whether or not it affects that. I do, however, use McAfee Enterprise 8.0, and it is still functioning properly. So far, my gripes are mostly with its XML&XSL handling :( But since its beta, I'm actually pretty excited to see what its like once it reaches final. The tabs are really well executed IMHO, and the "Quick Tabs" system felt really slick.
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I have recently uninstalled IE 7 Beta for the following reasons: 1. It broke my McAfee Virus Scan 2. It broke my Systran 5.0 Language translator 3. I also suspect it broke iTunes 6.0.2 (but I discovered that iTunes 6.0.1 would work with it installed) Has anyone else experienced similar problems or had applications break as a result of installing it? I did, however, like the convenience of the tabbed browsing and several other features. I will miss it, but for now I need system stability and I need my apps to run! -- modified at 11:36 Sunday 5th February, 2006 I'd also like to add that adding a Favorite to the Favorites menu took an eternity.
Tabbed browsing has been around for a long time on browsers that do not have a turf to defend. Tabbed browsing is not a feature that originated with IE, it is a catch up. The stated policy was not to upgrade IE but to wait for the next latest and greatest OS with the browser functionality incorporated into it. Sound familiar? Unfortunately, the next OS is not going to be shipped on time and when it does get shipped it will not contain the interesting things promised at the start; although it will probably have tabbed browsing. Sound familiar? Try Firefox or Opera if you want tabbed browsing. I think there are other browsers out there that have tabbed browsing [Safari may be one] but I have not tried them personally. These alternatives will not break other systems because they are just browsers - you were interested in browsing weren’t you - and not a means to impede competition. I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
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Tabbed browsing has been around for a long time on browsers that do not have a turf to defend. Tabbed browsing is not a feature that originated with IE, it is a catch up. The stated policy was not to upgrade IE but to wait for the next latest and greatest OS with the browser functionality incorporated into it. Sound familiar? Unfortunately, the next OS is not going to be shipped on time and when it does get shipped it will not contain the interesting things promised at the start; although it will probably have tabbed browsing. Sound familiar? Try Firefox or Opera if you want tabbed browsing. I think there are other browsers out there that have tabbed browsing [Safari may be one] but I have not tried them personally. These alternatives will not break other systems because they are just browsers - you were interested in browsing weren’t you - and not a means to impede competition. I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
Yes, I've used both Firefox and Opera, although I did not like Opera that much. In fact, I prefer Firefox to IE, but thought I'd give IE 7 a try. While I didn't mind the interface and the look and feel of it, I did mind that it interfered with other applications. However, it is a Beta, so I understand it is not "stable". I was just curious if others were experiencing problems with other applications. Still, tabbed browsing in IE is long overdue. For that, I am critical of Microsoft and I truly wonder why it has taken them so long to get around to incorporating it into IE.
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Yes, I've used both Firefox and Opera, although I did not like Opera that much. In fact, I prefer Firefox to IE, but thought I'd give IE 7 a try. While I didn't mind the interface and the look and feel of it, I did mind that it interfered with other applications. However, it is a Beta, so I understand it is not "stable". I was just curious if others were experiencing problems with other applications. Still, tabbed browsing in IE is long overdue. For that, I am critical of Microsoft and I truly wonder why it has taken them so long to get around to incorporating it into IE.
thealj wrote:
Still, tabbed browsing in IE is long overdue. For that, I am critical of Microsoft and I truly wonder why it has taken them so long to get around to incorporating it into IE.
I recall reading that they never liked the tabbed browsing concept, because it shows a flaw in the window management system. If the OS is good at managing and arranging, there's no need for tabbed browsing. It's a valid point, IMO, but while they do not come up with something better than the taskbar, tabbed browsing makes it way more effective. I don't see dead pixels anymore... Yes, even I am blogging now!
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I expect even the final release to be somewhat unstable, simply because it will be a more radical upgrade functionality wise compared to previous IE versions. And IE tends to be potentially more invasive than, e.g., Opera and Firefox, that aren't hooked into the OS. I certainly won't be using it for some time (unless in a VM). Kevin
IE isn't "hooked" into the OS. The MSHTML rendering engine is used by lots of applications for more rapid application development and easier and pretty graphical applications using DHTML, VML, and the like. The WebBrowser control hosts the MSHTML control and is probably used more often than MSHTML because it ties in a lot of the protocol handling and navigation that isn't completely apparent in MSHTML. So, it's not "hooked" into the OS but utilized by the shell and may other applications like all of the virus scanners I've seen to date (and needlessly, I might add - just give me scanning with a low footprint; most people don't even use the UIs for such apps much). This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. Software Design Engineer Developer Division Customer Product-lifecycle Experience Microsoft [My Articles] [My Blog]
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thealj wrote:
Still, tabbed browsing in IE is long overdue. For that, I am critical of Microsoft and I truly wonder why it has taken them so long to get around to incorporating it into IE.
I recall reading that they never liked the tabbed browsing concept, because it shows a flaw in the window management system. If the OS is good at managing and arranging, there's no need for tabbed browsing. It's a valid point, IMO, but while they do not come up with something better than the taskbar, tabbed browsing makes it way more effective. I don't see dead pixels anymore... Yes, even I am blogging now!
The only for which I find tabbed browsing useful is opening multiple pages at once without a lot of Windows, thus completely my morning ritual and checking a few news sites (one of which is NewsGator but some others don't expose RSS...how 20th century). I never had a problem with window management, but I do appreciate that I can quickly middle-click on links I want to read later (like links in RSS feeds I want to follow up on) and they load into the background instead of a new, now-active window that I have to Alt+Tab away. Those two extra button clicks are just too much work! :rolleyes: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. Software Design Engineer Developer Division Customer Product-lifecycle Experience Microsoft [My Articles] [My Blog]
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Tabbed browsing has been around for a long time on browsers that do not have a turf to defend. Tabbed browsing is not a feature that originated with IE, it is a catch up. The stated policy was not to upgrade IE but to wait for the next latest and greatest OS with the browser functionality incorporated into it. Sound familiar? Unfortunately, the next OS is not going to be shipped on time and when it does get shipped it will not contain the interesting things promised at the start; although it will probably have tabbed browsing. Sound familiar? Try Firefox or Opera if you want tabbed browsing. I think there are other browsers out there that have tabbed browsing [Safari may be one] but I have not tried them personally. These alternatives will not break other systems because they are just browsers - you were interested in browsing weren’t you - and not a means to impede competition. I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
Considering the number of normal users who will end up using IE7 I, a web-developer and Firefox fan, hope it can pull itself together and be a good browser. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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The only for which I find tabbed browsing useful is opening multiple pages at once without a lot of Windows, thus completely my morning ritual and checking a few news sites (one of which is NewsGator but some others don't expose RSS...how 20th century). I never had a problem with window management, but I do appreciate that I can quickly middle-click on links I want to read later (like links in RSS feeds I want to follow up on) and they load into the background instead of a new, now-active window that I have to Alt+Tab away. Those two extra button clicks are just too much work! :rolleyes: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. Software Design Engineer Developer Division Customer Product-lifecycle Experience Microsoft [My Articles] [My Blog]
How are you finding NewsGator? (Disclaimer; I am a bit biased as I am working on a feed project.) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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How are you finding NewsGator? (Disclaimer; I am a bit biased as I am working on a feed project.) regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
NewsGator works well. I don't really think about it much, though. I suppose that's a good thing, though - no major issues to worry about. It does what it does. The nice thing about a web-based aggregator is that it travels with you where you have an Internet connection. If you're making a desktop application you might consider some type of roaming profile. NewsGator also has that option with their Outlook add-in and FeedDemon that they bought...if it ever gets released (it's been almost a year and they said they were releasing it last summer). It all just drives off their Web Service API (or maybe an older proprietary module...I'm not sure) to import and export OPML subscriptions. This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. Software Design Engineer Developer Division Customer Product-lifecycle Experience Microsoft [My Articles] [My Blog]
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thealj wrote:
Still, tabbed browsing in IE is long overdue. For that, I am critical of Microsoft and I truly wonder why it has taken them so long to get around to incorporating it into IE.
I recall reading that they never liked the tabbed browsing concept, because it shows a flaw in the window management system. If the OS is good at managing and arranging, there's no need for tabbed browsing. It's a valid point, IMO, but while they do not come up with something better than the taskbar, tabbed browsing makes it way more effective. I don't see dead pixels anymore... Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote:
I recall reading that they never liked the tabbed browsing concept, because it shows a flaw in the window management system.
I agree. Apple OSX's Exposé[^] feature is a good example of effective windows management. In my opinion, Exposé renders tabbed browsing obsolete. It's the best use of a 3d desktop I've seen yet.
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Yes, I've used both Firefox and Opera, although I did not like Opera that much. In fact, I prefer Firefox to IE, but thought I'd give IE 7 a try. While I didn't mind the interface and the look and feel of it, I did mind that it interfered with other applications. However, it is a Beta, so I understand it is not "stable". I was just curious if others were experiencing problems with other applications. Still, tabbed browsing in IE is long overdue. For that, I am critical of Microsoft and I truly wonder why it has taken them so long to get around to incorporating it into IE.
thealj wrote:
Still, tabbed browsing in IE is long overdue. For that, I am critical of Microsoft and I truly wonder why it has taken them so long to get around to incorporating it into IE.
I have tabs on IE6 although never use them. They came with MSN search toolbar.
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thealj wrote:
Still, tabbed browsing in IE is long overdue. For that, I am critical of Microsoft and I truly wonder why it has taken them so long to get around to incorporating it into IE.
I recall reading that they never liked the tabbed browsing concept, because it shows a flaw in the window management system. If the OS is good at managing and arranging, there's no need for tabbed browsing. It's a valid point, IMO, but while they do not come up with something better than the taskbar, tabbed browsing makes it way more effective. I don't see dead pixels anymore... Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote:
I recall reading that they never liked the tabbed browsing concept, because it shows a flaw in the window management system. If the OS is good at managing and arranging, there's no need for tabbed browsing.
I agree - if there was a way to (for example) create multiple task bars and associate specific applications and shortcut keys with them, then tabs would be unnecessary. But MS pretty much admitted long ago that this wasn't gonna be a goal for them - the sheer number of single-window MDI apps is testament to that.
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IE isn't "hooked" into the OS. The MSHTML rendering engine is used by lots of applications for more rapid application development and easier and pretty graphical applications using DHTML, VML, and the like. The WebBrowser control hosts the MSHTML control and is probably used more often than MSHTML because it ties in a lot of the protocol handling and navigation that isn't completely apparent in MSHTML. So, it's not "hooked" into the OS but utilized by the shell and may other applications like all of the virus scanners I've seen to date (and needlessly, I might add - just give me scanning with a low footprint; most people don't even use the UIs for such apps much). This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. Software Design Engineer Developer Division Customer Product-lifecycle Experience Microsoft [My Articles] [My Blog]
Heath Stewart wrote:
So, it's not "hooked" into the OS but utilized by the shell
Um, most people consider the shell and the OS to go hand-in-hand. Also, try uninstalling IE (manually b/c MS doesn't want you to do that obviously) and see how well the OS runs without it. Jeremy Falcon
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I have recently uninstalled IE 7 Beta for the following reasons: 1. It broke my McAfee Virus Scan 2. It broke my Systran 5.0 Language translator 3. I also suspect it broke iTunes 6.0.2 (but I discovered that iTunes 6.0.1 would work with it installed) Has anyone else experienced similar problems or had applications break as a result of installing it? I did, however, like the convenience of the tabbed browsing and several other features. I will miss it, but for now I need system stability and I need my apps to run! -- modified at 11:36 Sunday 5th February, 2006 I'd also like to add that adding a Favorite to the Favorites menu took an eternity.
thealj wrote:
I did, however, like the convenience of the tabbed browsing and several other features. I will miss it, but for now I need system stability and I need my apps to run!
Why not use Avant? Marc Pensieve
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Considering the number of normal users who will end up using IE7 I, a web-developer and Firefox fan, hope it can pull itself together and be a good browser. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
It certainly would be nice if, in your words, it “rocks”. A good start would be to make it a browser that is just a browser and not additionally a means of stifling competition for other business units. Is it just a coincidence that just as the browser manufacturer is getting into anti-virus applications [and playing catch up] that this “browser” interferes with a well known, and, in my opinion, very professional, anti-virus product? I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
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Heath Stewart wrote:
So, it's not "hooked" into the OS but utilized by the shell
Um, most people consider the shell and the OS to go hand-in-hand. Also, try uninstalling IE (manually b/c MS doesn't want you to do that obviously) and see how well the OS runs without it. Jeremy Falcon
Yes, I realize people consider them to be the same, but that still isn't the point. It's not hooked into the shell like apps can hook messages sent from other windows (including the desktop). It's utilized by the shell as any other component because it has the functionality necessary to build what the shell intends. IE contains proprietary functionality - as does Mozilla/Firefox - as required by the shell and other applications that use it. Should tools such as your various anti-virus packages that utilize either MSHTML or the WebBrowser control by shunned because they choose to use a component that fits their needs and allows them to create a rich UI without a lot of extra hastle (sub-classing controls for richer UI, more complicated layout schemes, etc.)? The Gecko rendering engine and Mozilla are getting utilize by some applications in a similar manner because it has the layout control and capabilities to author a more rich UI. IE and Mozilla in this case are just components to get the job done. In order for Mozilla to even attempt to be used in place of IE it would have to support all the same interface - which are documented in MSDN - and use Microsoft COM as opposed to XPCOM. Mozilla choose not to license COM. While the two are very similar they are not compatible. So how would you expect the shell and the dozens or hundreds of applications that use MSHTML or the WebBrowser control to be able to use Gecko or Mozilla? This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. Software Design Engineer Developer Division Customer Product-lifecycle Experience Microsoft [My Articles] [My Blog]
