Mohammed guest role on "The Simpsons" in doubt
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espeir wrote:
I'm disagreeing that satire (i.e. making fun of someone) isn't.
I didn't said that satire isn't free speech. I just said you can't say that sarire is free speech. Jokes can be free speech of course but not every joke is free speech. So you can't claim the right to make every joke because of free speech. Ingo ------------------------------ A bug in a Microsoft Product? No! It's not a bug it's an undocumented feature!
ihoecken wrote:
I just said you can't say that sarire is free speech.
Who are you to say what I can't say? We have free speech in this country!
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espeir wrote:
Equality is a right? I'm going to call Bill Gates right now and demand that he give me half his money!
Equality under the law. I thought I don't have to state the complete because you should know what is ment. ------------------------------ A bug in a Microsoft Product? No! It's not a bug it's an undocumented feature!
You really do have to say "equality under law" because socialists actually believe that "equality" is a right and they try to intentionally confuse the two. They are two very different things.
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Actually, yes, you can. A statement made as a joke can only rarely, if ever, be considered defamatory. You also don't run into the "fire in a crowded theater" argument with jokes, so I'd have to say that every joke would be considered free speech. When would this not be the case?
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
When would this not be the case?
When the only aim is to insult and the jokes is based on lies. This has nothing to do with free speech. A like is never free speech. ------------------------------ A bug in a Microsoft Product? No! It's not a bug it's an undocumented feature!
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ihoecken wrote:
I just said you can't say that sarire is free speech.
Who are you to say what I can't say? We have free speech in this country!
espeir wrote:
We have free speech in this country!
And a bucket load of twats willing to sue anyone who says something they don't like. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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ihoecken wrote:
I just said you can't say that sarire is free speech.
Who are you to say what I can't say? We have free speech in this country!
espeir wrote:
Who are you to say what I can't say? We have free speech in this country!
Yes we have and I used free speech. When we have free speech I can say that you aren't allowed to say somthing. This you didn't ment YOU! It was ment generally. P.S.: Do we want to discuss the things said or do we just want to be kidding? In the first case you can argue with me in the second case (and I got the strange feeling you prefer the second one) I don't want to discuss with you any longer ------------------------------ A bug in a Microsoft Product? No! It's not a bug it's an undocumented feature! -- modified at 11:03 Thursday 9th February, 2006
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espeir wrote:
We have free speech in this country!
And a bucket load of twats willing to sue anyone who says something they don't like. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
You're lucky you live in Australia or I'd have my lawyer give you a call for causing me irrepairable emotional harm by disparing my country.
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espeir wrote:
Who are you to say what I can't say? We have free speech in this country!
Yes we have and I used free speech. When we have free speech I can say that you aren't allowed to say somthing. This you didn't ment YOU! It was ment generally. P.S.: Do we want to discuss the things said or do we just want to be kidding? In the first case you can argue with me in the second case (and I got the strange feeling you prefer the second one) I don't want to discuss with you any longer ------------------------------ A bug in a Microsoft Product? No! It's not a bug it's an undocumented feature! -- modified at 11:03 Thursday 9th February, 2006
But I want to discuss this with you. Given that we have free speech here, that is clearly my right. Also, you lied because you said that I can't say satire is free speech, but I DID say it! That means your speech isn't protected and you should be imprisoned.
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http://www.chaser.com.au/content/view/2998/26/[^] C'mon people! This is stupid. Are you going to let a bunch of nutters and whackos self-censor the right to free speech.
- I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. --Voltaire (1694-1778)
Not quite up to the standard of the simpsons... http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/698
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But I want to discuss this with you. Given that we have free speech here, that is clearly my right. Also, you lied because you said that I can't say satire is free speech, but I DID say it! That means your speech isn't protected and you should be imprisoned.
When I wouldn't know that you're twelve or less, I would answer with a shake of the head. But so I hope you will be grown-up one day and then we can discuss again. ------------------------------ A bug in a Microsoft Product? No! It's not a bug it's an undocumented feature!
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When I wouldn't know that you're twelve or less, I would answer with a shake of the head. But so I hope you will be grown-up one day and then we can discuss again. ------------------------------ A bug in a Microsoft Product? No! It's not a bug it's an undocumented feature!
You lied again because just a moment ago you said "I don't want to discuss with you any longer". And yet you continue. I have a good mind to sue you.
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You confuse free speech with amusement. Free speech is the right to tell the 1) truth and 2) your opinion. Not to make jokes or to offend someone. But I think your right, when you say this censorship is a mistake. I agree in this point with you. Greetings, Ingo ------------------------------ A bug in a Microsoft Product? No! It's not a bug it's an undocumented feature!
No free speech is the right to say what you want with very few limitations "Fire in a crowded theater" for safety. If what I say offends you walk away and listen to what does not offend you. You really need to look at what the founding fathers had in mind when writing the constitution. A good place to start is the federalist papers. You do not have the right to not be offended. Heck I hear things that offend me every day but I don't go around and whine about it. You have the right to say what you want and so do I. What you are thinking of is more like a college "speech code". http://hnn.us/articles/11276.html
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No free speech is the right to say what you want with very few limitations "Fire in a crowded theater" for safety. If what I say offends you walk away and listen to what does not offend you. You really need to look at what the founding fathers had in mind when writing the constitution. A good place to start is the federalist papers. You do not have the right to not be offended. Heck I hear things that offend me every day but I don't go around and whine about it. You have the right to say what you want and so do I. What you are thinking of is more like a college "speech code". http://hnn.us/articles/11276.html
Well I agree, just one point I see little bit different:
L_u_r_k_e_r wrote:
You do not have the right to not be offended.
When someone tells a lie about you that affects other rights. ------------------------------ A bug in a Microsoft Product? No! It's not a bug it's an undocumented feature!
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Well I agree, just one point I see little bit different:
L_u_r_k_e_r wrote:
You do not have the right to not be offended.
When someone tells a lie about you that affects other rights. ------------------------------ A bug in a Microsoft Product? No! It's not a bug it's an undocumented feature!
And you have legal remedies if the comments (lies) are slanderous or libelous. Of course there are acceptions as to when those remedies do not apply. Ahh the wonderful legal system of rules and acceptions.
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And you have legal remedies if the comments (lies) are slanderous or libelous. Of course there are acceptions as to when those remedies do not apply. Ahh the wonderful legal system of rules and acceptions.
L_u_r_k_e_r wrote:
acceptions
Please "accept" my correction. It's "exceptions" (like the ones you
throwwhen the rules are broken). ;P:rolleyes: Regards, Alvaro
Don't make me come down there. - God
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L_u_r_k_e_r wrote:
acceptions
Please "accept" my correction. It's "exceptions" (like the ones you
throwwhen the rules are broken). ;P:rolleyes: Regards, Alvaro
Don't make me come down there. - God
No problem... I knew as I typed it that I was wrong. Time for some sleep now.
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
When would this not be the case?
When the only aim is to insult and the jokes is based on lies. This has nothing to do with free speech. A like is never free speech. ------------------------------ A bug in a Microsoft Product? No! It's not a bug it's an undocumented feature!
ihoecken wrote:
When the only aim is to insult and the jokes is based on lies
What lies? Ryan
O fools, awake! The rites you sacred hold Are but a cheat contrived by men of old, Who lusted after wealth and gained their lust And died in baseness—and their law is dust. al-Ma'arri (973-1057)
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Of course. But not every comedy can claim to be critical. And when I watch the Simpsons there are some social critical intents but there are a lot of jokes which are bare jokes. ------------------------------ A bug in a Microsoft Product? No! It's not a bug it's an undocumented feature!
ihoecken wrote:
And when I watch the Simpsons there are some social critical intents but there are a lot of jokes which are bare jokes.
Bare jokes? The horror! Well then, that obviously kills any right they might have had to make social commentary... :rolleyes:
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The American constitution doesn't say that. In fact it doesn't even define what speech is. The word "opinion" doesn't appear anywhere in the US constition. I'm not disagreeing that stating your opinion is free speech. I'm disagreeing that satire (i.e. making fun of someone) isn't. Ben Franklin, who largely started the free press in the US, practically made a career out of making fun of people. It's an American tradition!
espeir wrote:
The American constitution doesn't say that.
Free speech is something followed by most in the world. While the American constitution should have a say in it it cannot be the only one to say. This is a common misconception among americans that if its not american its not worthy of recognition. Anyways ... this whole thing about free speech is irrelevant. The issue is belief. When one believes in a religion respect comes automatically. Similarly when one doesn't believe they don't give a damn about anything concerning it. I guess that's why the Hindus simply ignored this. I mean c'mon what do you expect from a non-believer? for him to give the same respect to your so called "God" ... hell no ... he's got his own "God" to worry about. So if the muslim world started making jokes about Jesus what should the believer do?
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http://www.chaser.com.au/content/view/2998/26/[^] C'mon people! This is stupid. Are you going to let a bunch of nutters and whackos self-censor the right to free speech.
- I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. --Voltaire (1694-1778)
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From the bottom of the page on chaser.com: "This site is satirical and nothing whatsoever on it is true. At all. Ever."