Smoking ban
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It would be fairly difficult to get something like that passed nation-wide, unless/until most of the states already have it. It'll probably happen, eventually - we love banning stuff.
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I'de imagine it would be fairly hard to implement a nation wide ban in the States, state by state would make more sense, let one be the ginea pig then the rest follow. I know here in Ireland we were being watched very carefully by other countries to see how things went, especially with the publicans. Once we had it up and running for a while, Sweden started bringing it in, June/July '05, then the north, Scotland, Wales and in England. A few years later I think it was a great idea even though I am a smoker my self. Its amazing how the pubs have gotten over this(the offlicences are doing a great business). Seen something on the news earlier and one publican in England was saying it would put him out of business, I dought this would be the case (but not ruling this out completely). The publicans were saying this here also, I can't see much of an effect (this is more to do with the price of drink and living in general), they say now the best place to meet someone it out side while having a smoke. Beer gardens are getting better. A pub here in town has one of the best beer gardens I've seen. Fully sheltered with patio heaters during the winter, the roof comes off during the summer, bands and outside bar. Alot of pubs now have dedicated smoking room (with no roof, a loop hole:->)
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I keep alternating my view on the proposed smoking ban in the UK. Mostly depending on who I talk to. Pros and cons anyone? Is public smoking banned in any of your countries? Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde
There's a smoke ban here in public in-door places. I love it. I absolutely love it. This simply means that I can enjoy playing pool, for instance, without having to jeopardize my health. If smokers want to die ahead of schedule, fine. Just don't drag me into the mass suicide. :)
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
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What you mean it is banned in some counties but there is no state wide ban.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
I still don't get how people can enjoy a meal while breathing smoke.
Generally its after the meal, or in between courses. Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde
farmer giles wrote:
What you mean it is banned in some counties but there is no state wide ban.
No, I meant that it's not banned in all indoor public places, although it is a state-wide ban. Here's what google gave me: http://www.smokefreeworld.com/usa.shtml[^] Note that for Florida: July 2003: smoking banned in the workplace (including restaurants). Stand-alone bars and smoking rooms in hotels are exempt. Alvaro
Don't make me come down there. - God -- modified at 18:34 Tuesday 14th February, 2006
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farmer giles wrote:
What you mean it is banned in some counties but there is no state wide ban.
No, I meant that it's not banned in all indoor public places, although it is a state-wide ban. Here's what google gave me: http://www.smokefreeworld.com/usa.shtml[^] Note that for Florida: July 2003: smoking banned in the workplace (including restaurants). Stand-alone bars and smoking rooms in hotels are exempt. Alvaro
Don't make me come down there. - God -- modified at 18:34 Tuesday 14th February, 2006
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Stand-alone bars
How the hell are you supposed to meet some one if you have to stand alone? ;;) I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Dave
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Stand-alone bars
How the hell are you supposed to meet some one if you have to stand alone? ;;) I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Dave
DRHuff wrote:
How the hell are you supposed to meet some one if you have to stand alone?
:) Well, if you're standing alone, and she's standing alone, you can then walk up to her and ask her if she'd prefer to go somewhere else to lie down with you (instead of standing there alone). ;) Alvaro
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I keep alternating my view on the proposed smoking ban in the UK. Mostly depending on who I talk to. Pros and cons anyone? Is public smoking banned in any of your countries? Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde
My own opinion is essentially "I don't care if people smoke as long as there's something resembling ventilation". Which would be a broadly sensible approach to take - I don't like pubs that get really smoky - but my local is fine as it is - you can smell the smoke a bit, but it's not all that bad. Smoking at the bar is marginally more contentious, but again, as long as there's scope for some ventilation, I don't see it as a big deal.
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
I still don't get how people can enjoy a meal while breathing smoke.
I suspect it has a lot to do with greasy-spoon diners. Let's face it - smoke, whether first- or second-hand, is gonna wreck the taste of a good meal. But a pile of greasy, rancid bacon next to some over-salted hashbrowns and under-cooked eggs? Heck, you're gonna have a hard time choking that down without a little something to dull your tastebuds first. :sigh:
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Shog9 wrote:
But a pile of greasy, rancid bacon next to some over-salted hashbrowns and under-cooked eggs?
You forgot the black pudding :yum:
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Shog9 wrote:
But a pile of greasy, rancid bacon next to some over-salted hashbrowns and under-cooked eggs?
You forgot the black pudding :yum:
Is that anything like blood sausage?
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I keep alternating my view on the proposed smoking ban in the UK. Mostly depending on who I talk to. Pros and cons anyone? Is public smoking banned in any of your countries? Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde
farmer giles wrote:
proposed smoking ban in the UK
Proposed? It comes into force in Scotland on March 26. Maybe England is just a little bit behind on that one. ;P
farmer giles wrote:
Pros and cons anyone?
These are based on the laws as they go into force Scotland. England may have differences. Pro: I can go into a pub without my eyes watering. Con: All the smokers will congregate on the street just outside the pub making it necessary to walk through a barrier of smoke in order to get into the pub. Con: Smokers will just smoke more in the street, at bus stops and so on. Which just moves the problem. Pro: At least if they are smoking on the street it will be taken away quickly on a breezy day. Pro: Smoking in the workplace will be banned. Con: It means that for truck drivers, alone in their cab, that they cannot smoke while the truck is in Scotland. So, if they are parked up for the night and they want to have a smoke they must do so outside the truck - even if it is raining/snowing/blowing a gale. ColinMackay.net "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucius "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell
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farmer giles wrote:
Is public smoking banned in any of your countries?
Yes, public in-doors is mostly banned here in Florida and in many other states of the US. Not long ago we went to a restaurant while driving through Georgia (or South Carolina, I forgot which) and were surprised when the hostess asked us whether we preferred the smoking or non-smoking section. I still don't get how people can enjoy a meal while breathing smoke. Alvaro
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
I still don't get how people can enjoy a meal while breathing smoke.
When I worked on a project in Spain and we went out to a restaurant on the second evening I was stunned that the non-smoking section consisted of just 3 tables. The rest of the restaurant was smoking. Luckily being in a group of guirris (sp?) (aka foreigners) we arrived at the restaurant at 8, just as they were opening up. So, there was no one else there. As I recall we had the restaurant all to ourselves up until the dessert. ColinMackay.net "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucius "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell
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Is that anything like blood sausage?
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I don't know what blood sausage is, but black pudding is held together with congealed blood. ColinMackay.net "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucius "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
mostly
What you mean it is banned in some counties but there is no state wide ban.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
I still don't get how people can enjoy a meal while breathing smoke.
Generally its after the meal, or in between courses. Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde
farmer giles wrote:
Generally its after the meal, or in between courses.
So tables besides you should stop eating when you're done your meal ?
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There's a smoke ban here in public in-door places. I love it. I absolutely love it. This simply means that I can enjoy playing pool, for instance, without having to jeopardize my health. If smokers want to die ahead of schedule, fine. Just don't drag me into the mass suicide. :)
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
This simply means that I can enjoy playing pool, for instance, without having to jeopardize my health.
I seem to recall a number of unhealthy aspects to pool halls besides smoke! :doh: Better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep.
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I keep alternating my view on the proposed smoking ban in the UK. Mostly depending on who I talk to. Pros and cons anyone? Is public smoking banned in any of your countries? Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde
There's big issue here in Montréal concerning the future smake ban and Bingo Halls. Those halls are the last bastions of hard-core smokers; mostly old ladies who spend a lot of time there, smoking and spending money ...
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I keep alternating my view on the proposed smoking ban in the UK. Mostly depending on who I talk to. Pros and cons anyone? Is public smoking banned in any of your countries? Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde
It should be left entirely up to each individual establishment. If enough people really don't want to be around smoking smoke free pubs can be opened to serve them. Other pubs can allow smoking and make lots of money off the smokers. As long as no one is being forced to go some place where other people are enjoying smoking what harm is done? Talk about forcing your moral opinion on someone. "You get that which you tolerate"
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It should be left entirely up to each individual establishment. If enough people really don't want to be around smoking smoke free pubs can be opened to serve them. Other pubs can allow smoking and make lots of money off the smokers. As long as no one is being forced to go some place where other people are enjoying smoking what harm is done? Talk about forcing your moral opinion on someone. "You get that which you tolerate"
I second this motion. Preserve freedom, let the free market sort it out. I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
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It should be left entirely up to each individual establishment. If enough people really don't want to be around smoking smoke free pubs can be opened to serve them. Other pubs can allow smoking and make lots of money off the smokers. As long as no one is being forced to go some place where other people are enjoying smoking what harm is done? Talk about forcing your moral opinion on someone. "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
It should be left entirely up to each individual establishment. If enough people really don't want to be around smoking smoke free pubs can be opened to serve them. Other pubs can allow smoking and make lots of money off the smokers. As long as no one is being forced to go some place where other people are enjoying smoking what harm is done? Talk about forcing your moral opinion on someone.
One of the standard arguments in this part of the world concerns the staff who work in the pubs (who are exposed to smoke for greater periods than a typical customer). It is regarded as an occupational health and safety issue. No doubt you could argue that they can choose not to work there, but people needing a job may not have much choice. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
This simply means that I can enjoy playing pool, for instance, without having to jeopardize my health.
I seem to recall a number of unhealthy aspects to pool halls besides smoke! :doh: Better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep.
Such as..? :~
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I keep alternating my view on the proposed smoking ban in the UK. Mostly depending on who I talk to. Pros and cons anyone? Is public smoking banned in any of your countries? Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde
There's a whiff of hypocrisy here: smoking will still be allowed in the Commons bar, for instance. Anyway, if our mendacious politicos really meant to do good they'd outlaw tobacco and finished with: this is just weasel politics influenced by the taxes raised off the backs of smokers. www.merrens.com
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I keep alternating my view on the proposed smoking ban in the UK. Mostly depending on who I talk to. Pros and cons anyone? Is public smoking banned in any of your countries? Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde
A good incentive to quit, however the anality of it is amusing.