My issue with global warming
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I consider myself a staunch environmentalist--it is usually my top concern when it comes to political issues. I believe someone needs to look out for the environment, because people and companies tend not to. I am also a born skeptic, so much of the global warming hoopla drives me absolutely insane. Whether or not humans are contributing to global warming is largely irrelevant--there are enough local repurcussions of pollution that we should have the strictest possible laws about it anyway. Calling it "global warming" lets people believe it's someone else's problem. They think that one little car or one little factory can't make much of a global impact. And they're right! But it can destroy their local waterways and the breathable air in their own town. Have you driven through Gary, Indiana lately? So what does it even matter if global warming is "real" or not? Look at *local* climate change, which is undeniably real and many times scarier.
David Kentley wrote:
But it can destroy their local waterways and the breathable air in their own town.
Amen to that. One of the things that surprised me when moving to New Orleans was that they do not require an emissions test for your vehicle's inspection sticker. There are some states - like Tennessee - that don't even require the sticker! What gives? Jeremy Falcon
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David Kentley wrote:
But it can destroy their local waterways and the breathable air in their own town.
Amen to that. One of the things that surprised me when moving to New Orleans was that they do not require an emissions test for your vehicle's inspection sticker. There are some states - like Tennessee - that don't even require the sticker! What gives? Jeremy Falcon
I think the emissions test is a huge scam. 100% of cars produced today (for sale in the US) are within federal limits. The very few that are not are so small as to not make a diffrence and will likely be put to the boneyard soon. The fact that I have to pay 20$ here in MO. to test my 2001 Honda, which they know is within limits is crazy. I think it's a way for the state to get extra money. Also, has anyone seen those "mobile" inspection vans on the highway? They supposedly test you as you enter the freeway. Do you really think that is a accurate test? My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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I think the emissions test is a huge scam. 100% of cars produced today (for sale in the US) are within federal limits. The very few that are not are so small as to not make a diffrence and will likely be put to the boneyard soon. The fact that I have to pay 20$ here in MO. to test my 2001 Honda, which they know is within limits is crazy. I think it's a way for the state to get extra money. Also, has anyone seen those "mobile" inspection vans on the highway? They supposedly test you as you enter the freeway. Do you really think that is a accurate test? My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
Just because a car was produced within emission limits, does not mean that it will stay that way. There are mechanical problems that can cause the emissions to increase and there are also people who like to remove their catalytic converter. -J
Think of a computer program. Somewhere, there is one key instruction, and everything else is just functions calling themselves, or brackets billowing out endlessly through an infinite address space. What happens when the brackets collapse? Where's the final 'end if'? Is any of this making sense? -Ford Prefect
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Just because a car was produced within emission limits, does not mean that it will stay that way. There are mechanical problems that can cause the emissions to increase and there are also people who like to remove their catalytic converter. -J
Think of a computer program. Somewhere, there is one key instruction, and everything else is just functions calling themselves, or brackets billowing out endlessly through an infinite address space. What happens when the brackets collapse? Where's the final 'end if'? Is any of this making sense? -Ford Prefect
My problem is with the testing itself. "The city of Denver abandoned this test after discovering that 70% of the cars that failed their inspection were in fact perfectly clean. That didn't keep their owners from having to perform expensive repairs, though. " http://www.reasontofreedom.com/Emission_Testing.html My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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I think the emissions test is a huge scam. 100% of cars produced today (for sale in the US) are within federal limits. The very few that are not are so small as to not make a diffrence and will likely be put to the boneyard soon. The fact that I have to pay 20$ here in MO. to test my 2001 Honda, which they know is within limits is crazy. I think it's a way for the state to get extra money. Also, has anyone seen those "mobile" inspection vans on the highway? They supposedly test you as you enter the freeway. Do you really think that is a accurate test? My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
I think the emissions test is a huge scam.
You should try driving in a city that doesn't require one. :) You can litteraly smell the difference. Jeremy Falcon
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kgaddy wrote:
I think the emissions test is a huge scam.
You should try driving in a city that doesn't require one. :) You can litteraly smell the difference. Jeremy Falcon
You sure that's not just the garbage lining New Orleans' streets?
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My problem is with the testing itself. "The city of Denver abandoned this test after discovering that 70% of the cars that failed their inspection were in fact perfectly clean. That didn't keep their owners from having to perform expensive repairs, though. " http://www.reasontofreedom.com/Emission_Testing.html My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
"The city of Denver abandoned this test after discovering that 70% of the cars that failed their inspection were in fact perfectly clean. That didn't keep their owners from having to perform expensive repairs, though. "
I heard of the opposite problem, where inspection stations would tune your car so that it would pass, charge you the $20, then untune it so it would run the way you want. I still think emissions testing is a good idea, but they need to make it about emissions rather than just taking the $20.
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You sure that's not just the garbage lining New Orleans' streets?
I was living here before the hurricane hit ya know. :) Jeremy Falcon
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I was living here before the hurricane hit ya know. :) Jeremy Falcon
I visited a couple times before the hurricane. The streets were lined with garbage then too. I love New Orleans, though. I want to go back and visit once it's all cleaned up.
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I visited a couple times before the hurricane. The streets were lined with garbage then too. I love New Orleans, though. I want to go back and visit once it's all cleaned up.
espeir wrote:
The streets were lined with garbage then too.
It's not the cleanest place on Earth. :laugh: But, I know the difference in smell between exhaust and garbage.
espeir wrote:
I love New Orleans, though. I want to go back and visit once it's all cleaned up.
It's a great place. My biggest complaints are the roads and air quality. There's the crime too, but that's usually drug related. Just say no. Overall the atmosphere is great, the people are friendly (well ok not everyone, but I've stayed at complete strangers homes before with them not there and only after knowing me for a few hours), and we have more booze flowing than water. :) Jeremy Falcon
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I think the emissions test is a huge scam. 100% of cars produced today (for sale in the US) are within federal limits. The very few that are not are so small as to not make a diffrence and will likely be put to the boneyard soon. The fact that I have to pay 20$ here in MO. to test my 2001 Honda, which they know is within limits is crazy. I think it's a way for the state to get extra money. Also, has anyone seen those "mobile" inspection vans on the highway? They supposedly test you as you enter the freeway. Do you really think that is a accurate test? My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
100% of cars produced today (for sale in the US) are within federal limits.
I take it you live in a wonderful, magical place with no idiot "Monster Garage"-wannabes? 'Cause around here, it wouldn't matter if 100% of the cars sold were zero-emissions, runs-on-water, whisper-quiet fantasy cars... they'd still be hacked into noisy, polluting, machines-of-death within weeks of being purchased. ----
Bots don't know when people die. --Paul Watson, RIP
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kgaddy wrote:
100% of cars produced today (for sale in the US) are within federal limits.
I take it you live in a wonderful, magical place with no idiot "Monster Garage"-wannabes? 'Cause around here, it wouldn't matter if 100% of the cars sold were zero-emissions, runs-on-water, whisper-quiet fantasy cars... they'd still be hacked into noisy, polluting, machines-of-death within weeks of being purchased. ----
Bots don't know when people die. --Paul Watson, RIP
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I consider myself a staunch environmentalist--it is usually my top concern when it comes to political issues. I believe someone needs to look out for the environment, because people and companies tend not to. I am also a born skeptic, so much of the global warming hoopla drives me absolutely insane. Whether or not humans are contributing to global warming is largely irrelevant--there are enough local repurcussions of pollution that we should have the strictest possible laws about it anyway. Calling it "global warming" lets people believe it's someone else's problem. They think that one little car or one little factory can't make much of a global impact. And they're right! But it can destroy their local waterways and the breathable air in their own town. Have you driven through Gary, Indiana lately? So what does it even matter if global warming is "real" or not? Look at *local* climate change, which is undeniably real and many times scarier.
David Kentley wrote:
Whether or not humans are contributing to global warming is largely irrelevant
Absolutely. The question is: what needs and can be done about it.
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