Vista won't have a backdoor
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Maybe it's just me but I really don't care if they do. Perhaps I'm brainwashed or something but to me if the government wanted to track everything I did on my computer I'd be like, "Okay, it's going to be boring but here you go." If the various government agencies around the world (proper laws, requirements, probable cause and all that) could tunnel into a system with a court order obtained through probable cause and a search warrant I think it would be great. Why?
- Criminals are stupid. They will make mistakes and leave a trail at some point.
- I would love to see these sick twisted people that traffic kiddie porn in the U.S. and other countries get discovered/arrested/imprisoned in a more efficient manner.
- I would love for any government to be able to slip into any computer owned by terrorists, suspected terrorists, friends of terrorists.
I know that in reading this I'll be accused of supporting the patriot act. I actually could care less about the patriot act. I don't do anything wrong so I have nothing to worry about. I guess I'd just like to live under the false pretense that back doors into PC's will work. Even though I know that in the cases we need them to most they won't. The criminals we'd love to arrest *YESTERDAY* will continue to be free *TOMORROW* and that nothing would really change. It's a nice FALSE PRETENSE that I'm open to accepting. The cynic in me says that this will be like gun control though. Decent people doing nothing wrong will be the only ones getting secret visits. Criminals will continue to find a way around usually by buying out the local or federal agents and the so the story goes. But really I'm not opposed to the idea even though I know little would be gained from it. :sigh::( I hate criminals. I hate what they do to society, children, women and victims. I just hate em.:mad:
I only read CP for the articles. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
code-frog wrote:
I hate criminals. I hate what they do to society, children, women and victims. I just hate em.
Agreed.
code-frog wrote:
But really I'm not opposed to the idea even though I know little would be gained from it.
So lets focus on that if we are going to change as a global society for the better. To me a root cause is to many (most?) prosecutors are not concerned with seeing the guilty party is found, but in winning their case. And nearly all defense attorneys are not concerned with their clients getting a fair trial but in getting them not convicted. Until society demands better from all who are part of the system, you are right, little to gain. "Every new day begins with possibilities. It's up to us to fill it with things that move us toward progress and peace.” (Ronald Reagan)
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Maybe it's just me but I really don't care if they do. Perhaps I'm brainwashed or something but to me if the government wanted to track everything I did on my computer I'd be like, "Okay, it's going to be boring but here you go." If the various government agencies around the world (proper laws, requirements, probable cause and all that) could tunnel into a system with a court order obtained through probable cause and a search warrant I think it would be great. Why?
- Criminals are stupid. They will make mistakes and leave a trail at some point.
- I would love to see these sick twisted people that traffic kiddie porn in the U.S. and other countries get discovered/arrested/imprisoned in a more efficient manner.
- I would love for any government to be able to slip into any computer owned by terrorists, suspected terrorists, friends of terrorists.
I know that in reading this I'll be accused of supporting the patriot act. I actually could care less about the patriot act. I don't do anything wrong so I have nothing to worry about. I guess I'd just like to live under the false pretense that back doors into PC's will work. Even though I know that in the cases we need them to most they won't. The criminals we'd love to arrest *YESTERDAY* will continue to be free *TOMORROW* and that nothing would really change. It's a nice FALSE PRETENSE that I'm open to accepting. The cynic in me says that this will be like gun control though. Decent people doing nothing wrong will be the only ones getting secret visits. Criminals will continue to find a way around usually by buying out the local or federal agents and the so the story goes. But really I'm not opposed to the idea even though I know little would be gained from it. :sigh::( I hate criminals. I hate what they do to society, children, women and victims. I just hate em.:mad:
I only read CP for the articles. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
code-frog wrote:
Criminals are stupid
criminals are people. they come in all shapes, sizes and levels of IQ.
code-frog wrote:
I would love for any government to be able to slip into any computer owned by terrorists, suspected terrorists, friends of terrorists.
the government is full of people, each with the full compliment of human failings: greed, jealousy, spite, etc.. trusting that a person given great power will only use that power for good is a foolish waste of trust. SpiderMan says "With great power comes great responsibility," but you can't count on people being responsible. if you could, there would be no need for this kind of surveillance in the first place. so, it's best to not give people great power.
code-frog wrote:
I don't do anything wrong so I have nothing to worry about.
don't forget, your definition of "wrong" is nearly irrelevant to anyone but yourself. there's always someone out there who thinks you're a jerk [for all values of 'you', of course]. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Maybe it's just me but I really don't care if they do. Perhaps I'm brainwashed or something but to me if the government wanted to track everything I did on my computer I'd be like, "Okay, it's going to be boring but here you go." If the various government agencies around the world (proper laws, requirements, probable cause and all that) could tunnel into a system with a court order obtained through probable cause and a search warrant I think it would be great. Why?
- Criminals are stupid. They will make mistakes and leave a trail at some point.
- I would love to see these sick twisted people that traffic kiddie porn in the U.S. and other countries get discovered/arrested/imprisoned in a more efficient manner.
- I would love for any government to be able to slip into any computer owned by terrorists, suspected terrorists, friends of terrorists.
I know that in reading this I'll be accused of supporting the patriot act. I actually could care less about the patriot act. I don't do anything wrong so I have nothing to worry about. I guess I'd just like to live under the false pretense that back doors into PC's will work. Even though I know that in the cases we need them to most they won't. The criminals we'd love to arrest *YESTERDAY* will continue to be free *TOMORROW* and that nothing would really change. It's a nice FALSE PRETENSE that I'm open to accepting. The cynic in me says that this will be like gun control though. Decent people doing nothing wrong will be the only ones getting secret visits. Criminals will continue to find a way around usually by buying out the local or federal agents and the so the story goes. But really I'm not opposed to the idea even though I know little would be gained from it. :sigh::( I hate criminals. I hate what they do to society, children, women and victims. I just hate em.:mad:
I only read CP for the articles. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
Hey Code-Frog, What happens if the goverment are the criminals? What is when the legal system is corruptet? Here for example: The goverment sends out killer teams (police) which shoot drug trafickers without a chance for a trial. Hey, no proof even they were really drug trafickers. Maybe just supporting the wrong party. :( The goverment names it "War on Drugs" Thousends of people died already. :(( They arrest unarmed demonstrators and force them into trucks. Arriving at the military base many of them are dead. :(( Something like this happens if you transport 200 arrested demonstrators in one single military truck. Not enough air to breave. Driving for hours in the midday sun. Old people just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Bystanders. You want give this kind of people backdoors? For heavens sake. :mad: Chris :) -- modified at 11:17 Saturday 4th March, 2006
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"Microsoft has not and will not put "backdoors" into Windows," a company representative said in a statement sent via e-mail.
At least not third-party backdoors. :laugh:
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Maybe it's just me but I really don't care if they do. Perhaps I'm brainwashed or something but to me if the government wanted to track everything I did on my computer I'd be like, "Okay, it's going to be boring but here you go." If the various government agencies around the world (proper laws, requirements, probable cause and all that) could tunnel into a system with a court order obtained through probable cause and a search warrant I think it would be great. Why?
- Criminals are stupid. They will make mistakes and leave a trail at some point.
- I would love to see these sick twisted people that traffic kiddie porn in the U.S. and other countries get discovered/arrested/imprisoned in a more efficient manner.
- I would love for any government to be able to slip into any computer owned by terrorists, suspected terrorists, friends of terrorists.
I know that in reading this I'll be accused of supporting the patriot act. I actually could care less about the patriot act. I don't do anything wrong so I have nothing to worry about. I guess I'd just like to live under the false pretense that back doors into PC's will work. Even though I know that in the cases we need them to most they won't. The criminals we'd love to arrest *YESTERDAY* will continue to be free *TOMORROW* and that nothing would really change. It's a nice FALSE PRETENSE that I'm open to accepting. The cynic in me says that this will be like gun control though. Decent people doing nothing wrong will be the only ones getting secret visits. Criminals will continue to find a way around usually by buying out the local or federal agents and the so the story goes. But really I'm not opposed to the idea even though I know little would be gained from it. :sigh::( I hate criminals. I hate what they do to society, children, women and victims. I just hate em.:mad:
I only read CP for the articles. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
code-frog wrote:
I don't do anything wrong so I have nothing to worry about.
I cringe every time I hear someone say that. Those with the power are the ones who decide what's "wrong", so don't be too quick to give it to them. Freedom and liberty are much easier to give away than they are to get back. "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither" Charlie if(!curlies){ return; }
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Maybe it's just me but I really don't care if they do. Perhaps I'm brainwashed or something but to me if the government wanted to track everything I did on my computer I'd be like, "Okay, it's going to be boring but here you go." If the various government agencies around the world (proper laws, requirements, probable cause and all that) could tunnel into a system with a court order obtained through probable cause and a search warrant I think it would be great. Why?
- Criminals are stupid. They will make mistakes and leave a trail at some point.
- I would love to see these sick twisted people that traffic kiddie porn in the U.S. and other countries get discovered/arrested/imprisoned in a more efficient manner.
- I would love for any government to be able to slip into any computer owned by terrorists, suspected terrorists, friends of terrorists.
I know that in reading this I'll be accused of supporting the patriot act. I actually could care less about the patriot act. I don't do anything wrong so I have nothing to worry about. I guess I'd just like to live under the false pretense that back doors into PC's will work. Even though I know that in the cases we need them to most they won't. The criminals we'd love to arrest *YESTERDAY* will continue to be free *TOMORROW* and that nothing would really change. It's a nice FALSE PRETENSE that I'm open to accepting. The cynic in me says that this will be like gun control though. Decent people doing nothing wrong will be the only ones getting secret visits. Criminals will continue to find a way around usually by buying out the local or federal agents and the so the story goes. But really I'm not opposed to the idea even though I know little would be gained from it. :sigh::( I hate criminals. I hate what they do to society, children, women and victims. I just hate em.:mad:
I only read CP for the articles. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
Sure you guys make good points but you all overlook something. Our elected officials are already in position to abuse their power. So if they are illegal, criminals or anything else computers will be the least of our concerns.
I only read CP for the articles. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
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code-frog wrote:
I don't do anything wrong so I have nothing to worry about.
I cringe every time I hear someone say that. Those with the power are the ones who decide what's "wrong", so don't be too quick to give it to them. Freedom and liberty are much easier to give away than they are to get back. "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither" Charlie if(!curlies){ return; }
Charlie Williams wrote:
Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither
See my most recent reply.
I only read CP for the articles. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
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ok Richard
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Sure you guys make good points but you all overlook something. Our elected officials are already in position to abuse their power. So if they are illegal, criminals or anything else computers will be the least of our concerns.
I only read CP for the articles. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
code-frog wrote:
Sure you guys make good points but you all overlook something. Our elected officials are already in position to abuse their power.
No one is overlooking anything. They can only abuse what power they have. You're talking about giving them more. Charlie if(!curlies){ return; }
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code-frog wrote:
Sure you guys make good points but you all overlook something. Our elected officials are already in position to abuse their power.
No one is overlooking anything. They can only abuse what power they have. You're talking about giving them more. Charlie if(!curlies){ return; }
Charlie Williams wrote:
They can only abuse what power they have.
The fact you believe this surprises me. They can abuse whatever they get away with and they get away with a lot already.
I only read CP for the articles. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
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And you believe them? Narc Pensieve Functional Entanglement vs. Code Entanglement Static Classes Make For Rigid Architectures
Actually, if they say they do not on the record and then happen to make one, it would open them to legal battles that would make the Sony root kit seem like a vacation.. I am glad to hear anything officially on the record. Rocky <>< Latest Post: SQL2005 Server Managemnet Studio timeouts! Blog: www.RockyMoore.com/TheCoder/[^]
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Actually, if they say they do not on the record and then happen to make one, it would open them to legal battles that would make the Sony root kit seem like a vacation.. I am glad to hear anything officially on the record. Rocky <>< Latest Post: SQL2005 Server Managemnet Studio timeouts! Blog: www.RockyMoore.com/TheCoder/[^]
Rocky Moore wrote:
I am glad to hear anything officially on the record.
The link itself is dubious source of information, IMO, and then this: "Microsoft has not and will not put "backdoors" into Windows," a company representative said in a statement sent via e-mail. A company representative? Who? Without a name, there's no accountability. Marc Pensieve Functional Entanglement vs. Code Entanglement Static Classes Make For Rigid Architectures
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Charlie Williams wrote:
They can only abuse what power they have.
The fact you believe this surprises me. They can abuse whatever they get away with and they get away with a lot already.
I only read CP for the articles. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
I think you're confusing abuse of power with using influence and connections to get away with illegal activities. They both certainly occur, but there are things we can do to mitigate the frequency and severity of the former, such as not voluntarily giving up the power in the first place. Controlling the latter is a matter of close oversight and law enforcement. Charlie if(!curlies){ return; }
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Maybe it's just me but I really don't care if they do. Perhaps I'm brainwashed or something but to me if the government wanted to track everything I did on my computer I'd be like, "Okay, it's going to be boring but here you go." If the various government agencies around the world (proper laws, requirements, probable cause and all that) could tunnel into a system with a court order obtained through probable cause and a search warrant I think it would be great. Why?
- Criminals are stupid. They will make mistakes and leave a trail at some point.
- I would love to see these sick twisted people that traffic kiddie porn in the U.S. and other countries get discovered/arrested/imprisoned in a more efficient manner.
- I would love for any government to be able to slip into any computer owned by terrorists, suspected terrorists, friends of terrorists.
I know that in reading this I'll be accused of supporting the patriot act. I actually could care less about the patriot act. I don't do anything wrong so I have nothing to worry about. I guess I'd just like to live under the false pretense that back doors into PC's will work. Even though I know that in the cases we need them to most they won't. The criminals we'd love to arrest *YESTERDAY* will continue to be free *TOMORROW* and that nothing would really change. It's a nice FALSE PRETENSE that I'm open to accepting. The cynic in me says that this will be like gun control though. Decent people doing nothing wrong will be the only ones getting secret visits. Criminals will continue to find a way around usually by buying out the local or federal agents and the so the story goes. But really I'm not opposed to the idea even though I know little would be gained from it. :sigh::( I hate criminals. I hate what they do to society, children, women and victims. I just hate em.:mad:
I only read CP for the articles. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
code-frog wrote:
I hate criminals
... Now this really is an unfriendly attitude. And is against general tendecies. Like we are forced to accept a lot of deviant human behaviours, we have to accept also those criminals. Crime is theire belief, so we have to respect them. Othervise, we should have to punish all others behaviours which are not in our standars...