Devastating.....:(
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That information is acknowledged to be possibly not credible. The assertion is that the weapons were destroyed during and immediately after the first Gulf War. The Kurds were shelled before that.
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You can't be. It's the home of the brave. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!
espeir wrote:
You can't be. It's the home of the brave.
:laugh::laugh: Jeremy Falcon
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
but that's not what our troops or their citizens are saying.
This is just not true. You are listening to the reports of journalists that can find someone to say anything.
Well put. Jeremy Falcon
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
but that's not what our troops or their citizens are saying.
This is just not true. You are listening to the reports of journalists that can find someone to say anything.
It is true, and my sources are not journalists. And your information comes from where?
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That information is acknowledged to be possibly not credible. The assertion is that the weapons were destroyed during and immediately after the first Gulf War. The Kurds were shelled before that.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
The assertion is that the weapons were destroyed during and immediately after the first Gulf War. The Kurds were shelled before that.
Right, that is the assertion, but under the resolution passed by the UN serurity council, Saddam was to provide proof those weapons were destroyed. To this day he has not. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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I'll ask you the same question that I posted above. Do you believe that Saddam had no WMD? Do you believe that he would not have given WMD to terrorist to attack the US?
I believe that Saddam had no significant WMD stockpiles after the first Gulf War, so the second part of the question is academic. I'll answer it anyway. Saddam was not a religious man. He commissioned a Qu'ran written in his own blood, FFS. He was considered an infidel and a blasphemer of the worst kind by the kind of Islamic ideologues that comprise Al Qaeda. Bin Laden was pissed when the Saudis let us fight the first Gulf War against Saddam; he wanted his Mujahadeen to fight the good fight against the infidel. Saddam might have given WMD to terrorists -- or not, since he was actually sitting pretty sweet with the oil-for-food deal and might not have wanted to jeopardize that -- but I think the ski lifts would be open in Hell before Al Qaeda would have approached him for help.
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It is true, and my sources are not journalists. And your information comes from where?
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Well put. Jeremy Falcon
Of course you would think so. All he did was contradict my statement and question my sources, without offering any argument or evidence himself.
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I stand corrected. I'm still hearing information counter to that from people inside the country. Maybe it depends where in the country you are? Are you posting from Iraq?
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Bravo! Your Bush impression is quite good! Just throw in a couple of "In God we trust!", "Amen!", and paraphrase the gospels, as if you're Jesus, and the US is the promised holy land, and it'll be perfect. :)
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Of course you would think so. All he did was contradict my statement and question my sources, without offering any argument or evidence himself.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Of course you would think so.
I'm not going to be suckered into this.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
All he did was contradict my statement and question my sources, without offering any argument or evidence himself.
I read the thread. Jeremy Falcon
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Your bio says you made it to Major. Grats, I know that's not easily done. Jeremy Falcon
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Bravo. I am so proud of America, I wish I was american. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
I'm glad you're not..... Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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Of course you would think so. All he did was contradict my statement and question my sources, without offering any argument or evidence himself.
Besides the 12 months that I spent deployed in the war, which was at the start of the war, there is also the people that I encounter going and coming from Iraq, since I returned home. Now I did not conduct a survey, in fact I was quite upset about not finding WMD after missing so much of my child's life, but most of the soldiers I spoke with were glad to be helping to rebuild that nation. Most were disgusted by the lack of infra-structure in some parts of Iraq while Saddam had his palaces. Is everything in Iraq up to US quality of life standards. No way. But there are improvements and the opportunity for improvements that were never going to come under Saddam's rule, or that of his son's after Saddam. The feeling of making a difference is not unique to the American military. I met with most of the coalition forces in Iraq (representatives from each of the countries), and I know that they were also proud to be helping the Iraqis. Japan, went so far as to change their constitution so that they could go to Iraq. I was approached by an Iraqi woman and she thanked me for being there and felt bad that some Iraqi's were causing US casualties (refering to the roadside bombs). Just a little bit of evidence. Probably not credible enough for you since they can not be found in the papers/online.
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Your bio says you made it to Major. Grats, I know that's not easily done. Jeremy Falcon
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Bravo! Your Bush impression is quite good! Just throw in a couple of "In God we trust!", "Amen!", and paraphrase the gospels, as if you're Jesus, and the US is the promised holy land, and it'll be perfect. :)
I don't think the US is the only good place in the world. I do think, however, the US is one of the few countries that has the balls to stand up for what's right. Of course, that doesn't mean we are incapable of wrong, but when in doubt of its actions, etc. one has to lean towards tendencies of past actions until proven otherwise. And no, I don't expect many people to listen to that. Jeremy Falcon
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I stand corrected. I'm still hearing information counter to that from people inside the country. Maybe it depends where in the country you are? Are you posting from Iraq?
I am posting from home. I really do not think it was regionally based. I was fortunate to be assigned to Kuwait. I was heavily involved in supporting coalition (foreign) troop movements. That put me in a position to work with officers, soldiers, and politicians from over 35 countries in addition to all of the commands/staffs where those soldiers were going to be assigned (Always to a US or British command, with the exception of the Polish Division whom I worked with quite extensively). Things could have changed since I have left, but I still get to see soldiers coming and going, and for the most part moral is high.
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Bravo! Your Bush impression is quite good! Just throw in a couple of "In God we trust!", "Amen!", and paraphrase the gospels, as if you're Jesus, and the US is the promised holy land, and it'll be perfect. :)
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I'm glad you're not..... Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
That was sarcasm, because I am glad I am not. When I travel the world, I am not ashamed of showing my Canadian passport, which is much more welcomed than the American one. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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Besides the 12 months that I spent deployed in the war, which was at the start of the war, there is also the people that I encounter going and coming from Iraq, since I returned home. Now I did not conduct a survey, in fact I was quite upset about not finding WMD after missing so much of my child's life, but most of the soldiers I spoke with were glad to be helping to rebuild that nation. Most were disgusted by the lack of infra-structure in some parts of Iraq while Saddam had his palaces. Is everything in Iraq up to US quality of life standards. No way. But there are improvements and the opportunity for improvements that were never going to come under Saddam's rule, or that of his son's after Saddam. The feeling of making a difference is not unique to the American military. I met with most of the coalition forces in Iraq (representatives from each of the countries), and I know that they were also proud to be helping the Iraqis. Japan, went so far as to change their constitution so that they could go to Iraq. I was approached by an Iraqi woman and she thanked me for being there and felt bad that some Iraqi's were causing US casualties (refering to the roadside bombs). Just a little bit of evidence. Probably not credible enough for you since they can not be found in the papers/online.
Credible enough. It actually does give me a little bit of hope that at least something good might come out of this in some parts of the country. I'm still not sure it's worth the price, but thanks for the information, and for your service, of course.