New Live.com Search
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The image search has some nice touches. I really like it. The rest just seems gratuitous. Loading results on the fly is nice enough, but why exactly was it necessary to use fancy custom scrollbars? ----
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Shog9 wrote:
but why exactly was it necessary to use fancy custom scrollbars?
I think I may have just discovered the reason. The advertisements on the right will update depending on what search results are currently in view. This would've been rather difficult or impossible to do, I think, had a standard scrollbar been in place. Of course, I'm not a web developer so maybe I'm wrong about how difficult that is...
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Ohyeah, that's what i've been missing from search engines all these years... unecessary modal pop-ups. ----
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Shog9 wrote:
modal pop-ups.
What a Horrendous design. :wtf::wtf::wtf: X|
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Shog9 wrote:
but why exactly was it necessary to use fancy custom scrollbars?
I think I may have just discovered the reason. The advertisements on the right will update depending on what search results are currently in view. This would've been rather difficult or impossible to do, I think, had a standard scrollbar been in place. Of course, I'm not a web developer so maybe I'm wrong about how difficult that is...
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I doubt it was easy either way. The only thing i could come up with was that with their custom scrollbar, they can control the speed at which you can scroll - so results loaded on demand are always available by the time you get to where they should be. Of course, this is also what makes it so frustrating, since the scrolling speed (especially with the mouse wheel) seems "off". ----
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Steve McLenithan wrote:
My browser should not be spiking my CPU
I've never understood this kind of thinking. If you're not using the browser, its not going to spike, meaning you're not really interfering with other apps. And if it spikes for just a split second, nothing's going to be sluggish. Are you trying to preserve CPU cycles for some reason? :rolleyes: I fail to see the big deal, but I'm sure you can enlighten me. As for the feature itself. It's cool but useless and nonstandard. That said, never underestimate the importance of eye candy, polish, and the cool factor. Its something that immediately draws the notice and awe of users, something that can't be said of stability or features (and no, I'm not advocating eye candy over those things).
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Judah Himango wrote:
I've never understood this kind of thinking.
Anyone that multi-tasks should think about it. My CPU should NOT spike to 100% because of some damn website. Burning a disc, music, etc etc. There's nothing I hate more than the feeling of UI lag.
Found on Bash.org [erno] hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.
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Feeling a little slow today, Nish? :rolleyes:
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David Stone wrote:
Feeling a little slow today, Nish?
I went to live.com first, and didn't find anything fancy like he said, and thought there must be some other search specific URL. Then he replies with live.com again, so I thanked him for that though I still couldn't find anything very impressive. Someone posted another link here a few weeks ago, and that was much cooler than this. The windows could be dragged anywhere, just like on your desktop. live.com restricts window positioning to rectangular dock regions - which sucks! That other site allowed overlapping windows - and was seriously impressive. Regards, Nish
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David Stone wrote:
Feeling a little slow today, Nish?
I went to live.com first, and didn't find anything fancy like he said, and thought there must be some other search specific URL. Then he replies with live.com again, so I thanked him for that though I still couldn't find anything very impressive. Someone posted another link here a few weeks ago, and that was much cooler than this. The windows could be dragged anywhere, just like on your desktop. live.com restricts window positioning to rectangular dock regions - which sucks! That other site allowed overlapping windows - and was seriously impressive. Regards, Nish
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That's alright. Go drink some Espresso. ;) (Just make sure Smitha didn't mix up the salt and sugar again.*) *Sorry Smitha. But you know you're never going to hear the end of this.
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David Stone wrote:
Go drink some Espresso.
Having a Latte (I think it's one anyway) right now :-)
David Stone wrote:
Just make sure Smitha didn't mix up the salt and sugar again
Ravi Bhavnani gave her Salt and Pepper shakers, and told her to keep me alive till I get to attend a PDC someday :-) Regards, Nish
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David Stone wrote:
Go drink some Espresso.
Having a Latte (I think it's one anyway) right now :-)
David Stone wrote:
Just make sure Smitha didn't mix up the salt and sugar again
Ravi Bhavnani gave her Salt and Pepper shakers, and told her to keep me alive till I get to attend a PDC someday :-) Regards, Nish
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till I get to attend a PDC someday
Ah. This last PDC was a crapload of fun. I hope to be able to attend the next one (whenever that is) too. :)
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Steve McLenithan wrote:
My browser should not be spiking my CPU
I've never understood this kind of thinking. If you're not using the browser, its not going to spike, meaning you're not really interfering with other apps. And if it spikes for just a split second, nothing's going to be sluggish. Are you trying to preserve CPU cycles for some reason? :rolleyes: I fail to see the big deal, but I'm sure you can enlighten me. As for the feature itself. It's cool but useless and nonstandard. That said, never underestimate the importance of eye candy, polish, and the cool factor. Its something that immediately draws the notice and awe of users, something that can't be said of stability or features (and no, I'm not advocating eye candy over those things).
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Judah Himango wrote:
never underestimate the importance of eye candy, polish, and the cool factor.
It's one of the main (and underrated, especially by techies) reasons, IMO, why MS has been so successful. Many technically superior things have been either ugly and/or difficult to use. Kevin
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
till I get to attend a PDC someday
Ah. This last PDC was a crapload of fun. I hope to be able to attend the next one (whenever that is) too. :)
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David Stone wrote:
Ah. This last PDC was a crapload of fun. I hope to be able to attend the next one (whenever that is) too.
I'd have to save up for the PDC attendance fees, the airfare, the accommodation, and then get permission to be away from work for 4-5 days - that last one should be okay I guess. It's the first 3 that's a problem - because all of them involve money! Regards, Nish
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I was looking at the live.com[^]'s new search feature with the sliders. :rolleyes: As a developer I can say WOW on the way the have developed it. But as a user I am not sure whether that is what I want. Is it really necessary to use AJAX everywhere just becuase you can? What do you guys think?
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Well you could scroll with the wheel, real cool! (because clicking on the button is akward) And the search box is still just above! I don't see what's wrong with this web site. mmhh... In fact it even looks quite right, maybe I should give it a try... Also some people complain that it froze their computer :confused: but maybe they just have to open in a new window to get the same frozing effect. If anything, AJAX is also meant to speed-up download!! (By downloading just what's necessary instead of a complete whole page again)
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I was looking at the live.com[^]'s new search feature with the sliders. :rolleyes: As a developer I can say WOW on the way the have developed it. But as a user I am not sure whether that is what I want. Is it really necessary to use AJAX everywhere just becuase you can? What do you guys think?
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Yeah, I coded an app with a bunch of AJAX when I first figured out how to do it and it confused the users. A little ajax on a page is nice, too much is annoying. I think they over used the AJAX. It is impressive yet annoying at the same time. "People who never make mistakes, never do anything." My Blog
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David Stone wrote:
Go drink some Espresso.
Having a Latte (I think it's one anyway) right now :-)
David Stone wrote:
Just make sure Smitha didn't mix up the salt and sugar again
Ravi Bhavnani gave her Salt and Pepper shakers, and told her to keep me alive till I get to attend a PDC someday :-) Regards, Nish
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Latte
What the hell is "Latte"? :confused: Are you talinkg about milk + steam + coffee? If so, in Italy we call it Cappuccino. ;) ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA]
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Latte
What the hell is "Latte"? :confused: Are you talinkg about milk + steam + coffee? If so, in Italy we call it Cappuccino. ;) ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA]
Dario Solera wrote:
Are you talinkg about milk + steam + coffee? If so, in Italy we call it Cappuccino.
A Latte is more milky than a Cappuccino. Regards, Nish
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Judah Himango wrote:
I've never understood this kind of thinking.
Anyone that multi-tasks should think about it. My CPU should NOT spike to 100% because of some damn website. Burning a disc, music, etc etc. There's nothing I hate more than the feeling of UI lag.
Found on Bash.org [erno] hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.
my fault, duplicate. Or maybe CP's fault. Yes, most definitely CP's. :)
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Judah Himango wrote:
I've never understood this kind of thinking.
Anyone that multi-tasks should think about it. My CPU should NOT spike to 100% because of some damn website. Burning a disc, music, etc etc. There's nothing I hate more than the feeling of UI lag.
Found on Bash.org [erno] hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.
One has to ask, is a few milliseconds worth of CPU time really worth complaining over? I'm a huge multi-tasker, I've always got MP3s playing, CDs burning, DVDs burning, BitTorrents downloading, Visual Studio compiling...yet; all things considered, a very brief spike in CPU usage is hardly worthy of mention IMO. Want to know a little secret? Try going to Google, grabbing the scrollbar and moving it up and down constantly with the mouse. Guess what? CPU hike! Yes, the browser has to re-render the page with the new transformation, causing a repaint of the entire screen, causing a CPU hike about equal to what I'm seeing over at live.com. Heh. All things considered, though you have a point with CPU hikes (though a point I think isn't worthy of mention, but hey), most end users love eye candy. Most end users don't realize it takes their computer more power to run eye candy. Most users rightfully don't care. :) I mean, if it were solely up to developers, we'd all be typing madly into command prompts instead of this beautiful orange and green UI with text editor, buttons, and links...all which require quite a bit of CPU time to parse, render, update, and redraw. :-O
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Latte
What the hell is "Latte"? :confused: Are you talinkg about milk + steam + coffee? If so, in Italy we call it Cappuccino. ;) ___________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA]
Dario Solera wrote:
What the hell is "Latte"?
It's less 'espresso' and more milk. Compartively it got more milk than 'cappuccino' Actually it's 'Caffe e Latte', not just 'Latte'. I know 'Latte' means milk in Italy. :)
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I was looking at the live.com[^]'s new search feature with the sliders. :rolleyes: As a developer I can say WOW on the way the have developed it. But as a user I am not sure whether that is what I want. Is it really necessary to use AJAX everywhere just becuase you can? What do you guys think?
My Blog -- modified at 13:50 Wednesday 8th March, 2006
"Is it really necessary to use AJAX everywhere just because you can? What do you guys think?" I do not understand obsession with AJAX, if someone wants Rich Client type application, why not just go with Rich Client (Windows Client) type application. Seems to me like forcing the HTTP/HTML paradigm to something that was not meant to be. But I am interested what will come out of Atlas, hopefully there will be a "good story". To make Atlas work, MS wrote ~20K lines of JavaScript code that gets downloaded to the client. Deviation from design patterns leads to the dark side (aka klugy code). Mike M MCAD.NET WinInsider.com - News for Microsoftonians
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I doubt it was easy either way. The only thing i could come up with was that with their custom scrollbar, they can control the speed at which you can scroll - so results loaded on demand are always available by the time you get to where they should be. Of course, this is also what makes it so frustrating, since the scrolling speed (especially with the mouse wheel) seems "off". ----
Bots don't know when people die. --Paul Watson, RIP
Shog9 wrote:
The only thing i could come up with was that with their custom scrollbar, they can control the speed at which you can scroll - so results loaded on demand are always available by the time you get to where they should be.
The exact number of results and the final length of the scrolling content is not known until the user scrolls through the whole list. Therefore, a normal scrollbar (especially the built-in HTML way) would not work very well and would probably frustrate the user at least as much as the way they chose to implement it. IMO what they should have done was to have an arrow at the top and an arrow at the bottom, similar to the way menus scroll when there isn't enough screen space.