Dubai Observation
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
And just because they appear to be magnanimous doesn't mean we should just blindy trust their motives.
So, we should be "blindly" afraid of *all* from the Middle East? Sheesh, the uproar over this port deal is racism at its most base value.:(( My Programming Library C#, C# Run
Toasty0 wrote:
So, we should be "blindly" afraid of *all* from the Middle East?
Of course not, but we should not blindly trust them all either, especially when they're government-owned. What happened to the 45-day review period?
Toasty0 wrote:
Sheesh, the uproar over this port deal is racism at its most base value.
Bullsh*t! You have zero evidence of that.
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
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Toasty0 wrote:
So, we should be "blindly" afraid of *all* from the Middle East?
Of course not, but we should not blindly trust them all either, especially when they're government-owned. What happened to the 45-day review period?
Toasty0 wrote:
Sheesh, the uproar over this port deal is racism at its most base value.
Bullsh*t! You have zero evidence of that.
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Of course not, but we should not blindly trust them all either, especially when they're government-owned. What happened to the 45-day review period?
The administration did do the review. It was announced after the review was performed.
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Nobody's afraid, we're just being cautious, and given the current world dynamic, you really can't blame us. Personally, I don't mind a foreign company controlling the ports, but I don't want a *state-owned* foreign company in that position. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Personally, I don't mind a foreign company controlling the ports, but I don't want a *state-owned* foreign company in that position.
Don't they basically control the lifting of crates onto and off of ships? Security is still controlled by US government operated port security. Of course only 5% of shipments are actually inspected...That's where the real problem is.
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Does everyone remember that Bush claimed he wasn't even aware of the deal until the news media started reporting on it? If he wasn't aware of it to beggin with, why was he so anal about making sure it went through? Kickbacks? Threats? I'm sure there was some behind-the-scenes wink-wink-nudge-nudge going on. If there was a 62-2 vote in the House AGAINST it going through, why didn't he just tell DPW, "Well, I guess the American people don't like the idea, so I have to back their move." Are we sure DPW is completely out of the picture now, or are they still going to own the ports but set up a shell company in the US under the premise of calling it a US-owned company? Given the current world situation where muslims/islamic countries are concerned, I fail to understand why anyone with half a brain would label "precautionary measures" as anything more than that. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
If he wasn't aware of it to beggin with, why was he so anal about making sure it went through? Kickbacks? Threats? I'm sure there was some behind-the-scenes wink-wink-nudge-nudge going on.
Yep, follow the money[^] Alvaro
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
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Nobody's afraid, we're just being cautious, and given the current world dynamic, you really can't blame us. Personally, I don't mind a foreign company controlling the ports, but I don't want a *state-owned* foreign company in that position. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Nobody's afraid, we're just being cautious, and given the current world dynamic, you really can't blame us.
Why are you "cautious"? Because they are Arab, right? You've based your fear on their origin, right? On their race, right? Thank you, I rest my case. My Programming Library C#, C# Run
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Personally, I don't mind a foreign company controlling the ports, but I don't want a *state-owned* foreign company in that position.
Don't they basically control the lifting of crates onto and off of ships? Security is still controlled by US government operated port security. Of course only 5% of shipments are actually inspected...That's where the real problem is.
espeir wrote:
Don't they basically control the lifting of crates onto and off of ships? Security is still controlled by US government operated port security. Of course only 5% of shipments are actually inspected...That's where the real problem is.
Hey you, don't confuse the haters with the facts. It just makes them angrier when someone tries to use reason and logic to strip away their security blanket(s) of mistrust and us-isms. My Programming Library C#, C# Run
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espeir wrote:
I trust Bush's motives to do what's in the best interests of the country.
I only trust Bush to do what's in the best interests of Bush.
viaduct wrote:
I only trust Bush to do what's in the best interests of Bush.
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
And just because they appear to be magnanimous doesn't mean we should just blindy trust their motives.
Bush or the UAE? I trust Bush's motives to do what's in the best interests of the country. I don't know all the details of the port deal, because I don't know how ports and port security works. But I do trust the administration's review.
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Does everyone remember that Bush claimed he wasn't even aware of the deal until the news media started reporting on it? If he wasn't aware of it to beggin with, why was he so anal about making sure it went through? Kickbacks? Threats? I'm sure there was some behind-the-scenes wink-wink-nudge-nudge going on. If there was a 62-2 vote in the House AGAINST it going through, why didn't he just tell DPW, "Well, I guess the American people don't like the idea, so I have to back their move." Are we sure DPW is completely out of the picture now, or are they still going to own the ports but set up a shell company in the US under the premise of calling it a US-owned company? Given the current world situation where muslims/islamic countries are concerned, I fail to understand why anyone with half a brain would label "precautionary measures" as anything more than that. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Does everyone remember that Bush claimed he wasn't even aware of the deal until the news media started reporting on it?
Yeah, that was a good one. "I wasn't being stupid, just ignorant! But, now that i'm fully informed, let's do something stupid..." :rolleyes: I seriously doubt DPW would ever have caused us problems, but that's beside the point. The whole deal was just UAE rubbing our noses in their "special" relationship with the Prez. X|
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Toasty0 wrote:
So, we should be "blindly" afraid of *all* from the Middle East?
Of course not, but we should not blindly trust them all either, especially when they're government-owned. What happened to the 45-day review period?
Toasty0 wrote:
Sheesh, the uproar over this port deal is racism at its most base value.
Bullsh*t! You have zero evidence of that.
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
It's amazing how blind or how far we will go in our quest to be anti-Bush--even to the point of accepting blanket racism when it suits our political agenda, eh? My Programming Library C#, C# Run
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espeir wrote:
I trust Bush's motives to do what's in the best interests of the country.
No offense, but that's just plain stupid. Why would you give any president that much trust?
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No offense, but you're an idiot. Every person who voted for him gave him that trust.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Nobody's afraid, we're just being cautious, and given the current world dynamic, you really can't blame us.
Why are you "cautious"? Because they are Arab, right? You've based your fear on their origin, right? On their race, right? Thank you, I rest my case. My Programming Library C#, C# Run
Toasty0 wrote:
Thank you, I rest my case.
Your case is kind of shaky.... WikiPedia[^] ...both Democratic and Republican members of Congress expressed concern over the potential negative impact the deal would have on port security. They cited the 9/11 Commission report, which stated that two of the 9/11 hijackers were UAE nationals, and reports that the UAE was a major financial base for the al Qaeda terror network. I will concede that there most likely is a large amount of people that don't like the plan simply because that company is based in the Middle East..... but you can't put that blanket assumption on everyone. -J
Think of a computer program. Somewhere, there is one key instruction, and everything else is just functions calling themselves, or brackets billowing out endlessly through an infinite address space. What happens when the brackets collapse? Where's the final 'end if'? Is any of this making sense? -Ford Prefect
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Does everyone remember that Bush claimed he wasn't even aware of the deal until the news media started reporting on it?
Yeah, that was a good one. "I wasn't being stupid, just ignorant! But, now that i'm fully informed, let's do something stupid..." :rolleyes: I seriously doubt DPW would ever have caused us problems, but that's beside the point. The whole deal was just UAE rubbing our noses in their "special" relationship with the Prez. X|
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Shog9 wrote:
I seriously doubt DPW would ever have caused us problems
Let's not let that get in the way of some Bush bashing!! YEEEEHAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!
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It's amazing how blind or how far we will go in our quest to be anti-Bush--even to the point of accepting blanket racism when it suits our political agenda, eh? My Programming Library C#, C# Run
Zero evidence.
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
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viaduct wrote:
I only trust Bush to do what's in the best interests of Bush.
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
Ha! The Carlyle Group? Did you know? "The Carlyle Group’s major investor is none other than George Soros –and it was his investments that put Carlyle on the map. The top officials at the Carlyle Group are: Arthur LeVitt (Clinton’s Chairman of the SEC), Tom McLarty (Clinton’s White House Chief of Staff), William Kennard (Clinton’s Chairman of the FCC). Carlyle Group owns Lowe’s Theaters which showed Moore’s movie…therefore using Moore’s own model we can link the Bin Ladens to Carlyle and to Soros and to John Kerry and to Moveone.org and to Michael Moore."http://mobyrebuttal.blogspot.com/2004/10/brief-education-for-democrats-co.html My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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No offense, but you're an idiot. Every person who voted for him gave him that trust.
espeir, I agree with pretty much everything you say. But tone it down bit. People will quit listening to you if keep calling them idiots. But yes you are right, we gave him that trust. I also remember in philosophy class talking about how EVERYONE only does things in their own self interest. That includes everyone in this forum. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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No offense, but you're an idiot. Every person who voted for him gave him that trust.
"I trust Bush's motives to do what's in the best interests of the country." I think there is a minor difference. I trust Bush to do what he thinks is in the best interests of the country. But what he thinks is in the best interests, and what I think are the best interests may not always coincide. I think it is every citizen's duty to monitor the behaviour of our leaders, and let them know when we have a difference of opinion.
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No offense, but you're an idiot. Every person who voted for him gave him that trust.
espeir wrote:
Every person who voted for him gave him that trust.
Well, that's flat out wrong. I happen to know some Bush voters, and while i don't agree with their choice i respect it as an attempt to make the best of a bad situation.
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It's amazing how blind or how far we will go in our quest to be anti-Bush--even to the point of accepting blanket racism when it suits our political agenda, eh? My Programming Library C#, C# Run
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Shog9 wrote:
I seriously doubt DPW would ever have caused us problems
Let's not let that get in the way of some Bush bashing!! YEEEEHAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!