The couple at the door
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Well, the pre-arranged weddings is a bit hard to understand from my point of view, but I suppose that could just as well be attributed to a totally different culture, instead of being attributed to fanaticism.
I don't see what fanaticism has to do with arranged marriages. :~ Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
The enforcement of pre-arranged marriages may seem fanatic for the outsider. I'm sure the penalties for not marrying are quite strict! By the way, is the pre-arranged marriage concept tied into Hinduism, or is it just a product of culture? I'm really not sure. :~
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espeir wrote:
militant atheists like yourself who are constantly tring to shove your belief system down other peoples' throats
I think you mean "disbelief system" ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?
Who cares about the finer points of semantics, when you've got God on your side? :rolleyes:
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The enforcement of pre-arranged marriages may seem fanatic for the outsider. I'm sure the penalties for not marrying are quite strict! By the way, is the pre-arranged marriage concept tied into Hinduism, or is it just a product of culture? I'm really not sure. :~
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
The enforcement of pre-arranged marriages may seem fanatic for the outsider.
In that case, you're not talking about arranged marriages; you're talking about forced marriages. I agree, it happens here. :|
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
By the way, is the pre-arranged marriage concept tied into Hinduism
I don't know if arranged marriages are tied to Hinduism, although love marriages are certainly not antithetic to Hinduism. Our epics have a lot of love marriages (and even eloping episodes :) ) too, though. Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
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Yes. You saw right through me. I'm advocating Christian genocide -- all religions, actually -- to further my goal of creating a new, pure, LEFTIST, Marxist, socialist, communist, atheist, evolutionist, scientist, secular humanist authoritarian utopia. Of course, that would include killing everyone who belongs to my religion, including myself, but you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs, right? I'm thinking about calling it Stanistan, just to piss Stan off. Besides, Espeiria sounds too much like a flower, or maybe a tropical disease.
Vinnie for pres! :-D
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Strictly speaking an athiest doesn't necessarily place their faith in science. They just don't place their faith in theistic dogma. a-: Without; not -theist: one who believes in the existence of a god or gods := one who does not believe in the existance of a god or gods ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Strictly speaking an athiest doesn't necessarily place their faith in science.
My statement made no such assumption. However, in practice it is commonplace.
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espeir wrote:
militant atheists like yourself who are constantly tring to shove your belief system down other peoples' throats
I think you mean "disbelief system" ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?
No...I was clear in my meaning.
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I think it is evident that muslim and christian fanatics think the same. Say anything against their precious beliefs, and you're the vilest creature on earth. Luckily, countries in which christianity has rooted itself, secular governments have been established, thus preventing theocratic law enforcement. Living in fear can't be good.
Kind of like when I mention...ahem...evolution?
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Strictly speaking an athiest doesn't necessarily place their faith in science.
My statement made no such assumption. However, in practice it is commonplace.
espeir wrote:
My statement made no such assumption
espeir wrote:
Let's leave not leave out atheists who place their faith in science while being ignorant of its details.
There is quite a strong implication here that atheists place their faith in science. If that was not the intent of your statement then I would suggest form of wording: Let's leave not leave out the type of atheists that place their faith in science while being ignorant of its details. ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?
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No...I was clear in my meaning.
As has been demonstrated elsewhere you have a severe disability when it comes to detecting humour. ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?
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It's the Mormons that do that over here, not the Christians btw. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Mormons
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
not the Christians
Mormons are Christians
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espeir wrote:
My statement made no such assumption
espeir wrote:
Let's leave not leave out atheists who place their faith in science while being ignorant of its details.
There is quite a strong implication here that atheists place their faith in science. If that was not the intent of your statement then I would suggest form of wording: Let's leave not leave out the type of atheists that place their faith in science while being ignorant of its details. ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?
My wording was correct. Your interpretation of it was not. Not all atheists blindly place their faith in science, but I have to say that a majority do. You need an extremely detailed understanding of what science has provided us in order to make an educated and faithless jusgement that it provides the answers that most atheists believe it does. Naturally, most atheists do not have the requisite level of knowledge and therefore place faith in science in the same way that the religious place faith in religion.
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As has been demonstrated elsewhere you have a severe disability when it comes to detecting humour. ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?
I admit I have a problem with this when something simply isn't funny. Part of having a good sense of humor is being able to discern between what is funny and what is not...Not simply finding everything funny.
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My wording was correct. Your interpretation of it was not. Not all atheists blindly place their faith in science, but I have to say that a majority do. You need an extremely detailed understanding of what science has provided us in order to make an educated and faithless jusgement that it provides the answers that most atheists believe it does. Naturally, most atheists do not have the requisite level of knowledge and therefore place faith in science in the same way that the religious place faith in religion.
espeir wrote:
My wording was correct. Your interpretation of it was not.
Your wording was ambiguous at best. Perhaps you should spend more time crafting your sentences before attacking others for misinterpreting what you said. ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?
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I admit I have a problem with this when something simply isn't funny. Part of having a good sense of humor is being able to discern between what is funny and what is not...Not simply finding everything funny.
espeir wrote:
Part of having a good sense of humor is being able to discern between what is funny and what is not
Pity you don't have that part. ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?
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espeir wrote:
My wording was correct. Your interpretation of it was not.
Your wording was ambiguous at best. Perhaps you should spend more time crafting your sentences before attacking others for misinterpreting what you said. ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?
Again, there is nothing wrong with or ambiguous about my statement. Any misinterpretation is just the result of your failure to comprehend a very straightforward sentence. It was succinct and correct. Perhaps that's why you find it so unsettling. I do not feel compelled to craft my sentences to a lowest common denominator.
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espeir wrote:
Part of having a good sense of humor is being able to discern between what is funny and what is not
Pity you don't have that part. ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?
Well...We know that I have an ability to detect a lack of humor. You have yet to test my ability to detect the presence of humor.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Mormons
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
not the Christians
Mormons are Christians
Sort of...
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My wording was correct. Your interpretation of it was not. Not all atheists blindly place their faith in science, but I have to say that a majority do. You need an extremely detailed understanding of what science has provided us in order to make an educated and faithless jusgement that it provides the answers that most atheists believe it does. Naturally, most atheists do not have the requisite level of knowledge and therefore place faith in science in the same way that the religious place faith in religion.
Apparently my religion requires me to beat dead horses... From a practical standpoint, everyone -- atheist or theist -- who isn't living in a cave eating roots and berries puts a great deal of faith in science, and not a single one of them do it blindly. Look around you, and I'm guessing that in every direction you will see the fruits of applied science. God doesn't make your toaster oven work. Science does. Sure, in many areas people don't understand -- at least don't fully understand -- the science involved; but the practical, material, tangible evidence demands a certain amount of trust. It's faith, but not blind faith. Any result of religion -- sunsets, butterflies, 72 virgins rewarding glorious martyrdom -- is taken absolutely on blind faith. You have absolute faith that your God is responsible for the creation of everything. People of other religions also have absolute faith that their God is responsible for the creation of everything. Who's right? We'll know when we die. Or not. It's a matter of faith. Blind faith. See the difference?
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Kind of like when I mention...ahem...evolution?
Nahh. Denying 150 years of evidence, extensively peer-reviewed hypotheses, and the resulting theories doesn't make you "the vilest creature on Earth". Given both that "vile" is a subjective quality, and the tremendous and varied number of creatures on the Earth, this would be impossible to support as a scientific hypothesis. It does, however, make you an idiot. I would further assert that there now exists a sufficient body of evidence, in this forum alone -- and exhaustively peer-reviewed, as well -- to support that conclusion to a near certainty. I'll also point out that, unlike ID, this conclusion is falsifiable. But, frankly, I don't see that happening.
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Apparently my religion requires me to beat dead horses... From a practical standpoint, everyone -- atheist or theist -- who isn't living in a cave eating roots and berries puts a great deal of faith in science, and not a single one of them do it blindly. Look around you, and I'm guessing that in every direction you will see the fruits of applied science. God doesn't make your toaster oven work. Science does. Sure, in many areas people don't understand -- at least don't fully understand -- the science involved; but the practical, material, tangible evidence demands a certain amount of trust. It's faith, but not blind faith. Any result of religion -- sunsets, butterflies, 72 virgins rewarding glorious martyrdom -- is taken absolutely on blind faith. You have absolute faith that your God is responsible for the creation of everything. People of other religions also have absolute faith that their God is responsible for the creation of everything. Who's right? We'll know when we die. Or not. It's a matter of faith. Blind faith. See the difference?
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Apparently my religion requires me to beat dead horses
ROTFL --- Faith is the assurance or substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things; therefore if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true. (emphasis added) So while we may not see them there is evidence all around us of the unseen things, if we choose to have eyes to see and ears to hear. Does that mean we are blind? No. It just means we have to use our other senses -- the non-physical ones. At the same time, in order for it to be faith it must be grounded in something which is true. Otherwise, it is mere belief. To me this also means that faith is a spiritual thing (the "unseen" things of which there is ample evidence for). Atheists don't believe in what they can't see, which means that atheists are non-spiritual. (This is not a jibe at atheists, so please don't go off the deep end.) So for espeir to say that atheists have faith is a complete oxymoron.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
see the fruits of applied science
Yes, applied by God.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
but the practical, material, tangible evidence demands a certain amount of trust. It's faith, but not blind faith.
It isn't faith at all, it's knowledge, perfect knowledge. Some people's definition of faith is: "to believe in something for which there is no evidence." That's not faith, that's stupidity. Faith requires evidence, often of an intangible sort.