Frustrated with the buggy forums
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I'm probably gonna get pummelled for this but... I need to get it off my chest: Am I the only who thinks that there's NO excuse for the CP forums to be buggy? This is a developer site: run by developers, for developers. You'd expect it to contain zero bugs, or at the very least for the bugs to be fixed immediately after being detected. But no. The bugs exist and they linger... and when you think they've been fixed, they come back. WTH! I know that this is a free site so I shouldn't expect much from it, and perhaps even be grateful for what I get. The old, "you get what you pay for" comes to mind. But the truth is that Chris Maunder and company aren't doing this for free. There are plenty of ads on this site that are paying to keep it running, and then some. And the ads are there because enough of us come to this site on a regular basis. In other words, if enough of us left, the site would stop receiving advertising dollars and eventually die. So indirectly, we are contributing to this site and its developers. At a minimum, we should be able to use it without running into what I consider stupid bugs... Or perhaps having bug-free forums is practically impossible, I don't know. :~ All I know is that if I were in charge of this site's development, I'd make quality a top priority. It doesn't need fancy bells and whistles, but the ones that are there, should work perfectly. And when they don't, they should be fixed immediately. There's just no excuse to keep something broken broken, especially when so many developers use it on a regular basis. I'd be so embarrassed if it was happening to my site. That's all -- just voicing my frustration. Alvaro
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
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I'm probably gonna get pummelled for this but... I need to get it off my chest: Am I the only who thinks that there's NO excuse for the CP forums to be buggy? This is a developer site: run by developers, for developers. You'd expect it to contain zero bugs, or at the very least for the bugs to be fixed immediately after being detected. But no. The bugs exist and they linger... and when you think they've been fixed, they come back. WTH! I know that this is a free site so I shouldn't expect much from it, and perhaps even be grateful for what I get. The old, "you get what you pay for" comes to mind. But the truth is that Chris Maunder and company aren't doing this for free. There are plenty of ads on this site that are paying to keep it running, and then some. And the ads are there because enough of us come to this site on a regular basis. In other words, if enough of us left, the site would stop receiving advertising dollars and eventually die. So indirectly, we are contributing to this site and its developers. At a minimum, we should be able to use it without running into what I consider stupid bugs... Or perhaps having bug-free forums is practically impossible, I don't know. :~ All I know is that if I were in charge of this site's development, I'd make quality a top priority. It doesn't need fancy bells and whistles, but the ones that are there, should work perfectly. And when they don't, they should be fixed immediately. There's just no excuse to keep something broken broken, especially when so many developers use it on a regular basis. I'd be so embarrassed if it was happening to my site. That's all -- just voicing my frustration. Alvaro
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
You'd expect it to contain zero bugs,
No piece of software of any complexity can have zero bugs. Which bugs are we talking about. To be honest, CP seems to be working better than it has ever done. How are you reporting the bugs? Emailing Chris or posting them in the suggestions forum? Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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I'm probably gonna get pummelled for this but... I need to get it off my chest: Am I the only who thinks that there's NO excuse for the CP forums to be buggy? This is a developer site: run by developers, for developers. You'd expect it to contain zero bugs, or at the very least for the bugs to be fixed immediately after being detected. But no. The bugs exist and they linger... and when you think they've been fixed, they come back. WTH! I know that this is a free site so I shouldn't expect much from it, and perhaps even be grateful for what I get. The old, "you get what you pay for" comes to mind. But the truth is that Chris Maunder and company aren't doing this for free. There are plenty of ads on this site that are paying to keep it running, and then some. And the ads are there because enough of us come to this site on a regular basis. In other words, if enough of us left, the site would stop receiving advertising dollars and eventually die. So indirectly, we are contributing to this site and its developers. At a minimum, we should be able to use it without running into what I consider stupid bugs... Or perhaps having bug-free forums is practically impossible, I don't know. :~ All I know is that if I were in charge of this site's development, I'd make quality a top priority. It doesn't need fancy bells and whistles, but the ones that are there, should work perfectly. And when they don't, they should be fixed immediately. There's just no excuse to keep something broken broken, especially when so many developers use it on a regular basis. I'd be so embarrassed if it was happening to my site. That's all -- just voicing my frustration. Alvaro
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
perhaps it is being worked on. the bug i see most often now is the one where posts get posted in the wrong place. seems like a concurrency problem. to quote a famous liar: "i *feel* your pain" - lol
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I'm probably gonna get pummelled for this but... I need to get it off my chest: Am I the only who thinks that there's NO excuse for the CP forums to be buggy? This is a developer site: run by developers, for developers. You'd expect it to contain zero bugs, or at the very least for the bugs to be fixed immediately after being detected. But no. The bugs exist and they linger... and when you think they've been fixed, they come back. WTH! I know that this is a free site so I shouldn't expect much from it, and perhaps even be grateful for what I get. The old, "you get what you pay for" comes to mind. But the truth is that Chris Maunder and company aren't doing this for free. There are plenty of ads on this site that are paying to keep it running, and then some. And the ads are there because enough of us come to this site on a regular basis. In other words, if enough of us left, the site would stop receiving advertising dollars and eventually die. So indirectly, we are contributing to this site and its developers. At a minimum, we should be able to use it without running into what I consider stupid bugs... Or perhaps having bug-free forums is practically impossible, I don't know. :~ All I know is that if I were in charge of this site's development, I'd make quality a top priority. It doesn't need fancy bells and whistles, but the ones that are there, should work perfectly. And when they don't, they should be fixed immediately. There's just no excuse to keep something broken broken, especially when so many developers use it on a regular basis. I'd be so embarrassed if it was happening to my site. That's all -- just voicing my frustration. Alvaro
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
I'd be so embarrassed if it was happening to my site.
Not to call into question your abilities, or to deminish the importance of your frustration(s), but where is your site? My Programming Library C#, C# Run
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I'm probably gonna get pummelled for this but... I need to get it off my chest: Am I the only who thinks that there's NO excuse for the CP forums to be buggy? This is a developer site: run by developers, for developers. You'd expect it to contain zero bugs, or at the very least for the bugs to be fixed immediately after being detected. But no. The bugs exist and they linger... and when you think they've been fixed, they come back. WTH! I know that this is a free site so I shouldn't expect much from it, and perhaps even be grateful for what I get. The old, "you get what you pay for" comes to mind. But the truth is that Chris Maunder and company aren't doing this for free. There are plenty of ads on this site that are paying to keep it running, and then some. And the ads are there because enough of us come to this site on a regular basis. In other words, if enough of us left, the site would stop receiving advertising dollars and eventually die. So indirectly, we are contributing to this site and its developers. At a minimum, we should be able to use it without running into what I consider stupid bugs... Or perhaps having bug-free forums is practically impossible, I don't know. :~ All I know is that if I were in charge of this site's development, I'd make quality a top priority. It doesn't need fancy bells and whistles, but the ones that are there, should work perfectly. And when they don't, they should be fixed immediately. There's just no excuse to keep something broken broken, especially when so many developers use it on a regular basis. I'd be so embarrassed if it was happening to my site. That's all -- just voicing my frustration. Alvaro
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
This is a developer site: run by developers, for developers. You'd expect it to contain zero bugs
Meet many developers do you? ;)
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
That's all -- just voicing my frustration.
I understand. That thread just below this is really messed-up, even for The Soapbox. Though my pet peeve is the occasional skipping of notification emails.
Now taking suggestions for the next release of CPhog...
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I'm probably gonna get pummelled for this but... I need to get it off my chest: Am I the only who thinks that there's NO excuse for the CP forums to be buggy? This is a developer site: run by developers, for developers. You'd expect it to contain zero bugs, or at the very least for the bugs to be fixed immediately after being detected. But no. The bugs exist and they linger... and when you think they've been fixed, they come back. WTH! I know that this is a free site so I shouldn't expect much from it, and perhaps even be grateful for what I get. The old, "you get what you pay for" comes to mind. But the truth is that Chris Maunder and company aren't doing this for free. There are plenty of ads on this site that are paying to keep it running, and then some. And the ads are there because enough of us come to this site on a regular basis. In other words, if enough of us left, the site would stop receiving advertising dollars and eventually die. So indirectly, we are contributing to this site and its developers. At a minimum, we should be able to use it without running into what I consider stupid bugs... Or perhaps having bug-free forums is practically impossible, I don't know. :~ All I know is that if I were in charge of this site's development, I'd make quality a top priority. It doesn't need fancy bells and whistles, but the ones that are there, should work perfectly. And when they don't, they should be fixed immediately. There's just no excuse to keep something broken broken, especially when so many developers use it on a regular basis. I'd be so embarrassed if it was happening to my site. That's all -- just voicing my frustration. Alvaro
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
All I know is that if I were in charge of this site's development
Really? Had much experience running a million+ user website funded on advertisements?
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
You'd expect it to contain zero bugs,
No piece of software of any complexity can have zero bugs. Which bugs are we talking about. To be honest, CP seems to be working better than it has ever done. How are you reporting the bugs? Emailing Chris or posting them in the suggestions forum? Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
Michael P Butler wrote:
No piece of software of any complexity can have zero bugs.
I agree, but this site has had forums for several years. All the obvious bugs should have been fixed by now, don't you think?
Michael P Butler wrote:
Which bugs are we talking about. To be honest, CP seems to be working better than it has ever done.
It's running fast, but the posts (to the forums) often fall out of place. Check out the thread below this one.
Michael P Butler wrote:
How are you reporting the bugs? Emailing Chris or posting them in the suggestions forum?
Besides my post, I haven't done anything. I've noticed many people pointing it out inside their own posts, so I'm hoping the problem is well known. This is something that's been happening for a while. Alvaro
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
I'd be so embarrassed if it was happening to my site.
Not to call into question your abilities, or to deminish the importance of your frustration(s), but where is your site? My Programming Library C#, C# Run
Toasty0 wrote:
where is your site?
I'd rather not say. We're discussing this site so that's not relevant.
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
This is a developer site: run by developers, for developers. You'd expect it to contain zero bugs
Meet many developers do you? ;)
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
That's all -- just voicing my frustration.
I understand. That thread just below this is really messed-up, even for The Soapbox. Though my pet peeve is the occasional skipping of notification emails.
Now taking suggestions for the next release of CPhog...
Shog9 wrote:
Meet many developers do you?
:) I guess I expect this to be sort of a beacon of quality and high standards that all developers not only flock to, but also demand.
Shog9 wrote:
I understand. That thread just below this is really messed-up, even for The Soapbox. Though my pet peeve is the occasional skipping of notification emails.
Thank you for understanding. :rose: Alvaro
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
You'd expect it to contain zero bugs,
No piece of software of any complexity can have zero bugs. Which bugs are we talking about. To be honest, CP seems to be working better than it has ever done. How are you reporting the bugs? Emailing Chris or posting them in the suggestions forum? Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
Michael P Butler wrote:
No piece of software of any complexity can have zero bugs.
Yes it can! My pet hate is when people make the above statement, it implies that you expect your code to be buggy and already are thinking up excuses for the errors! The main reason for 'buggy' code is cost, to properly design, write and test costs time and money. I used to write software that had to run 24/7, it can be done.
"Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for - in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it." - Ellen Goodman
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Toasty0 wrote:
where is your site?
I'd rather not say. We're discussing this site so that's not relevant.
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
Now I'm curious!
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
All I know is that if I were in charge of this site's development
Really? Had much experience running a million+ user website funded on advertisements?
John Draich wrote:
Really? Had much experience running a million+ user website funded on advertisements?
No. Have you? Is quality not much of a priority?
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
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Now I'm curious!
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... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
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John Draich wrote:
Really? Had much experience running a million+ user website funded on advertisements?
No. Have you? Is quality not much of a priority?
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
Does he have to? You're the one making the complaint.
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:laugh:
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
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John Draich wrote:
Really? Had much experience running a million+ user website funded on advertisements?
No. Have you? Is quality not much of a priority?
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
Yes, I have. It isn't a perfect world. Quality is important but understaffed and underfunded is a difficult situation to be in. Chris and the team are trying, believe me, I was there.
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Yes, I have. It isn't a perfect world. Quality is important but understaffed and underfunded is a difficult situation to be in. Chris and the team are trying, believe me, I was there.
John Draich wrote:
It isn't a perfect world. Quality is important but understaffed and underfunded is a difficult situation to be in. Chris and the team are trying, believe me, I was there.
OK, I can take comfort in the fact that the CP team is aware of the problems and looking to fix them ASAP. Thanks, Alvaro
... since we've descended to name calling, I'm thinking you're about twenty pounds of troll droppings in a ten pound bag. - Vincent Reynolds
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Yes, I have. It isn't a perfect world. Quality is important but understaffed and underfunded is a difficult situation to be in. Chris and the team are trying, believe me, I was there.
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Who are you and what have you done with Paul?? :~ "If the world should blow itself up, the last audible voice would be that of an expert saying it can't be done." - Peter Ustinov
Seeing who is sharp ;) You are.
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Seeing who is sharp ;) You are.