Cost of living in UK
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Paul Watson wrote:
If you want to live on 2 minute noodles and water, sure
:omg: Really??? Ok let me tell you the whole story. I hold a BNO passport (British National Overseas) and I am thinking of looking for a job there. Now, I checked out some sites on Software Development jobs in the UK and they pay in the range of 40000 pounds anually.(So low!) I also found out that after tax cuts, I would be getting just 2500 pounds a month. Is this true? Could anyone tell me why Software developers are so lowly paid in UK? :( --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
Id u are going with ur family I think it's not at all enough If u are staying with ur frns and the rent is sharable by all then it will be some what adjustable "Aim to go where U have never been B4 and Strive to achieve it" http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/dotnetforfreshers http://himabinduvejella.blogspot.com
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And traffic is hell. Just why do people have cars in London? regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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doPublic transport is not completely reliable and, if you live in the burbs, you need a car to get around. I need one, perversly, to get to the station as there is no public transport close by to get me there in a reasonable time. Also, going into town is easier by car in the evening or weekend: trains here don't run all night so getting home from a late night out would be, to say the least, an adventure. www.merrens.com
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Paul Watson wrote:
If you want to live on 2 minute noodles and water, sure
:omg: Really??? Ok let me tell you the whole story. I hold a BNO passport (British National Overseas) and I am thinking of looking for a job there. Now, I checked out some sites on Software Development jobs in the UK and they pay in the range of 40000 pounds anually.(So low!) I also found out that after tax cuts, I would be getting just 2500 pounds a month. Is this true? Could anyone tell me why Software developers are so lowly paid in UK? :( --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
On a £40,000 salary you can expect to take home about £2,300 per month. In the financial sector permanent roles can earn significantly more, but they are likely to be correspondingly higher pressured and mostly located in London. Unfortunately permanant dev positions in the UK are often undervalued, so if you want a significantly higher income the most likely way to achieve that is to go on the contract market. However, if you decide to go that way there are a lot of things you need to know about, not least the state of the market and the tax position of contract staff working through limited companies. It's far too complex to go into here, though. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Well thats funny I pay 300 Euros a month for a flat - all inclusive. With water, power, heating and daily help. Ok - you might earn a lot of more, but 1000 Pounds - that's still a lot. ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
Unfortunately property in the UK is extremely expensive. Most people badly underestimate the cost of living here. :rose: Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Alright! So If I live in london then will 2500 pounds be enough for me? --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
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Unfortunately property in the UK is extremely expensive. Most people badly underestimate the cost of living here. :rose: Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Unfortunately property in the UK is extremely expensive. Most people badly underestimate the cost of living here.
Yet, people flock here to do low paid labour :doh:, where's the sense in it all.:confused: Blogless
It's London. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Paul Watson wrote:
If you want to live on 2 minute noodles and water, sure
:omg: Really??? Ok let me tell you the whole story. I hold a BNO passport (British National Overseas) and I am thinking of looking for a job there. Now, I checked out some sites on Software Development jobs in the UK and they pay in the range of 40000 pounds anually.(So low!) I also found out that after tax cuts, I would be getting just 2500 pounds a month. Is this true? Could anyone tell me why Software developers are so lowly paid in UK? :( --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
LazyKancha wrote:
Software Development jobs in the UK and they pay in the range of 40000 pounds anually.(So low!) I also found out that after tax cuts, I would be getting just 2500 pounds a month. Is this true?
On 40K that sounds about right.
LazyKancha wrote:
Could anyone tell me why Software developers are so lowly paid in UK?
I think you are confusing London with the rest of the UK. Once you get outside the South East of England the cost of living drops dramatically. London is a black hole that sucks in money. If you come to Scotland you will find that the average pay is slightly lower but the cost of living is much cheaper. And the quality of life is a lot better too. But remember that some areas are hotspots. Edinburgh is getting a little like London. I live 35 minutes by train outside Edinburgh where the houses are a third of the cost. But you can get a small flat in Edinburgh for the same price (if a small single bedroom flat is fine then go for it - I prefer to have more space). Also, if you compare just salaries to the US you are not looking at the whole picture. In the US you normally get 10 days vacation per year. The company I work for gives 30 days - EU law states a minimum of 20 days. There are also much more generous maternity and paternity leave laws than the US. The company I work for allows an extended maternity/paternity period (until the child is school age) if you are willing to telecommute (although you do have to come in to the office occasionally). ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?
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On a £40,000 salary you can expect to take home about £2,300 per month. In the financial sector permanent roles can earn significantly more, but they are likely to be correspondingly higher pressured and mostly located in London. Unfortunately permanant dev positions in the UK are often undervalued, so if you want a significantly higher income the most likely way to achieve that is to go on the contract market. However, if you decide to go that way there are a lot of things you need to know about, not least the state of the market and the tax position of contract staff working through limited companies. It's far too complex to go into here, though. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
God. Is that so?:omg: --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
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It's London. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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doThen how do all you CPians in UK survive? If the pay for IT jobs is so low, how do u guys do it? :confused: --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
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Then how do all you CPians in UK survive? If the pay for IT jobs is so low, how do u guys do it? :confused: --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
Well I don't live there but when I looked at living there the average salary was higher. Also most young people in London don't live in the best conditions, they sacrifice a bit of their home for more pints. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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LazyKancha wrote:
Software Development jobs in the UK and they pay in the range of 40000 pounds anually.(So low!) I also found out that after tax cuts, I would be getting just 2500 pounds a month. Is this true?
On 40K that sounds about right.
LazyKancha wrote:
Could anyone tell me why Software developers are so lowly paid in UK?
I think you are confusing London with the rest of the UK. Once you get outside the South East of England the cost of living drops dramatically. London is a black hole that sucks in money. If you come to Scotland you will find that the average pay is slightly lower but the cost of living is much cheaper. And the quality of life is a lot better too. But remember that some areas are hotspots. Edinburgh is getting a little like London. I live 35 minutes by train outside Edinburgh where the houses are a third of the cost. But you can get a small flat in Edinburgh for the same price (if a small single bedroom flat is fine then go for it - I prefer to have more space). Also, if you compare just salaries to the US you are not looking at the whole picture. In the US you normally get 10 days vacation per year. The company I work for gives 30 days - EU law states a minimum of 20 days. There are also much more generous maternity and paternity leave laws than the US. The company I work for allows an extended maternity/paternity period (until the child is school age) if you are willing to telecommute (although you do have to come in to the office occasionally). ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?
Thanks a lot for your advice! So I think i will have to look for jobs away from London. Ok, let me ask you something! I am a developer, with 2.5 years experience in .NET, C++ and COM. What will be my worth there? will I be able to live on the salary and also save enough? I will be alone now, but will I be able to support my family afterwards? Thanks for taking your time to answer... :) --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
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Paul Watson wrote:
If you want to live on 2 minute noodles and water, sure
:omg: Really??? Ok let me tell you the whole story. I hold a BNO passport (British National Overseas) and I am thinking of looking for a job there. Now, I checked out some sites on Software Development jobs in the UK and they pay in the range of 40000 pounds anually.(So low!) I also found out that after tax cuts, I would be getting just 2500 pounds a month. Is this true? Could anyone tell me why Software developers are so lowly paid in UK? :( --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
LazyKancha wrote:
in the range of 40000 pounds anually.(So low!)
:wtf: Low? Wish I got £40K a year for doing Software Development. But then again, you couldn't pay me enough to live in London. X|
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Then how do all you CPians in UK survive? If the pay for IT jobs is so low, how do u guys do it? :confused: --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
The trick is not to live in central London. There are guys in my office that commute from Portsmouth, Birmingham, Northampton, Brighton etc, etc, where the cost of living is much lower but they still earn London money. Granted their commute is horrendous but that's a choice they've made. I live in the suburbs so my commute is a little eeasier (45 minutes) but that's balanced by paying more for my housing. The best 'wages' will be in the banking/financial sectors and best of all on front office development. However, that is highly pressured with long hours and you would require cojones of steel to get through the day. Again, a personal choice. As someone else mentioned (Anna?) the best money is as a contractor but, again, that has to be balanced by other considerations; ie you have to provide for your own health care, pension, holidays, etc. There is certainly a buzz to working in the City (of London) and there are (according to my agent and who believes them anyway?) lots of jobs at decent rates. www.merrens.com
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God. Is that so?:omg: --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
Yes, the most I ever earnt in a permanent development position was £55,000 and that was hugely overpaid for the particular market. Even £40K is a good salary in the UK, most normal office jobs run in the £18-30K range - so you will be about as well off as newly qualified Lawyers, newly qualified doctors etc. However, contracting has earnt me ~20% more, but ive only been doing it 6 months and not had a tax bill yet :-|
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Paul Watson wrote:
If you want to live on 2 minute noodles and water, sure
:omg: Really??? Ok let me tell you the whole story. I hold a BNO passport (British National Overseas) and I am thinking of looking for a job there. Now, I checked out some sites on Software Development jobs in the UK and they pay in the range of 40000 pounds anually.(So low!) I also found out that after tax cuts, I would be getting just 2500 pounds a month. Is this true? Could anyone tell me why Software developers are so lowly paid in UK? :( --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
LazyKancha wrote:
40000 pounds anually.(So low!)
:omg: 40000£ ~= 60000€ and you call that low? I earn +- 24000€ a year WITHOUT taxes (-10000€ taxes included). Ok, I admit, UK is expensive and I have on plus a lot of extras (car, fuel card, insurances, ...) but still... But on the other, my sister now works in London for a year, she said to me, that the britains look poor, mainly because of the high living cost. Coulda, woulda, shoulda doesn't matter if you don't.
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Thanks a lot for your advice! So I think i will have to look for jobs away from London. Ok, let me ask you something! I am a developer, with 2.5 years experience in .NET, C++ and COM. What will be my worth there? will I be able to live on the salary and also save enough? I will be alone now, but will I be able to support my family afterwards? Thanks for taking your time to answer... :) --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
LazyKancha wrote:
I am a developer, with 2.5 years experience in .NET, C++ and COM. What will be my worth there?
Outside of London you could probably expect £25K - £30K. But remember - the further from London, the cheaper the cost of living.
LazyKancha wrote:
will I be able to live on the salary and also save enough?
If you are careful, then yes.
LazyKancha wrote:
I will be alone now, but will I be able to support my family afterwards?
There are people I work with that manage (and live in Edinburgh). Obviously it helps if your future partner is working too.
LazyKancha wrote:
A Manchester United Fan
You may find living in or near Manchester a bonus. ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?
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LazyKancha wrote:
I am a developer, with 2.5 years experience in .NET, C++ and COM. What will be my worth there?
Outside of London you could probably expect £25K - £30K. But remember - the further from London, the cheaper the cost of living.
LazyKancha wrote:
will I be able to live on the salary and also save enough?
If you are careful, then yes.
LazyKancha wrote:
I will be alone now, but will I be able to support my family afterwards?
There are people I work with that manage (and live in Edinburgh). Obviously it helps if your future partner is working too.
LazyKancha wrote:
A Manchester United Fan
You may find living in or near Manchester a bonus. ColinMackay.net Scottish Developers are looking for speakers for user group sessions over the next few months. Do you want to know more?
Thanks.... :) --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
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Then how do all you CPians in UK survive? If the pay for IT jobs is so low, how do u guys do it? :confused: --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
I live on the North Wales coast and the pay for IT jobs here is really bad, £25K is a VERY good wage (i am not anywhere near that BTW) but the cost of living is a lot lower than London area. It is still difficult sometimes (unexpected bills like replacing the heating oil tank at £1000 cause minor periods of stress) and my wife works also so that helps. In the UK the tax burdon is huge: Income tax, national Insurance (another tax), Council tax, High water rates, Tax on fuel, tax on beer, tax on tax. You get the picture. BUT as someone else mentioned you do get reasonable conditions, the minimum holiday entitlement is 20 days and Bank holidays are usually (but sometimes not) added on to this, also many places have extra fixed days for things like Christmas so it can work out to about 30 days holiday a year. There is the NHS so no need for health insurance (though i would recomend it if you can as the NHS is falling apart). So its a mix of good and bad really. If you can work in the city (Much Higher pay) and live in the country (much lower cost of living). Jon
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Then how do all you CPians in UK survive? If the pay for IT jobs is so low, how do u guys do it? :confused: --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
What makes you think that 40k is LOW??!?!?!?!?....MY GOD!!!!! How much are you earning at the moment? As a developer, I earn up to 3 TIMES what my friends earn! "Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox