Where is Microsoft going today?
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You have to retire old code, but slowly. I would recommend that Microsoft retires old stuff support in the speed of my most conservative customers. :cool:
Some of us walk the memory lane, others plummet into a rabbit hole
Tree in C# || Fold With Us! || sighistpeterchen wrote:
I would recommend that Microsoft retires old stuff support in the speed of my most conservative customers.
I still have customers using DOS!! :sigh: "If the world should blow itself up, the last audible voice would be that of an expert saying it can't be done." - Peter Ustinov
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Long time ago I think it was Niklas Wirth who said "Programs get worse faster than hardware gets better"
Some of us walk the memory lane, others plummet into a rabbit hole
Tree in C# || Fold With Us! || sighistpeterchen wrote:
...who said "Programs get worse faster than hardware gets better"
Close. His quote was "Software gets slower faster than hardware gets faster."
"Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed." - Mark Twain
"There is no death, only a change of worlds." - Native American Proverb
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MacOS? (hides) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!
*seeks* The tigress is here :-D
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peterchen wrote:
...who said "Programs get worse faster than hardware gets better"
Close. His quote was "Software gets slower faster than hardware gets faster."
"Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed." - Mark Twain
"There is no death, only a change of worlds." - Native American Proverb
"What intel giveth , microsoft taketh away" (Psuedo olde english )
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peterchen wrote:
...who said "Programs get worse faster than hardware gets better"
Close. His quote was "Software gets slower faster than hardware gets faster."
"Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed." - Mark Twain
"There is no death, only a change of worlds." - Native American Proverb
Heh - at least I got the name right :-O
Some of us walk the memory lane, others plummet into a rabbit hole
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Heh - at least I got the name right :-O
Some of us walk the memory lane, others plummet into a rabbit hole
Tree in C# || Fold With Us! || sighistI had the honor of meeting Prof. Wirth when I was in college.
"Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed." - Mark Twain
"There is no death, only a change of worlds." - Native American Proverb
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Given that quad-core chips and 1GB memory are going to be standard desktop equipment in next to no time "bloat" is not really an issue. '--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd
Duncan Edwards Jones wrote:
Given that quad-core chips and 1GB memory are going to be standard desktop equipment in next to no time "bloat" is not really an issue.
Oh so naive. I remember when I went from a 400 mb hard drive to 1.6 gb. I knew then that I was going to be set for the rest of my life. 6 months later mp3's hit and 1.6 gigs was absolutely inadequate. So I went up to 15 gb's in the late 90's. Surely that is enough space, until 1 gb hard drive space consuming video games hit the market....I am now running a mirrored 120 gb harddrive for my media and games, which I built last year mind you, and it's full. Next I will be an absolutely temporary 250 gb mirror. :sigh: The moral, "bloat" will not go away because of hardware advancement unless software makers do something about it.
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Or rather, in the future. I have an idea... Ditch legacy and create a lean system (that you can still dual boot to legacy or includes a decent VM) then you should be able to come up with an OS that will fly. Long term yes, with some risk yes, but otherwise I think Microsoft is well down the path of diminishing returns on desktops. Elaine (slightly provocative fluffy tigress) The tigress is here :-D
Apple has repeatedly tried a version of the rewrite option which has contributed to its pathetic market share. Even with the original Mac OS, the rule of thumb is that an application would last four releases. Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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One of the problems I can see with ditching "legacy" support is that they would then be open to much more competition. If with Vista MS decided that it would not support any of the previous code/applications, instead requiring either a dual-boot or running a VM system, then there would be no advantage to running Vista over any other OS - and considering Windows' main competitor is essentially free, I don't think MS would be willing to take the risk. That said, it would be amusing to see Vista running all it's apps in a port of WINE :laugh:
icabod wrote:
One of the problems I can see with ditching "legacy" support is that they would then be open to much more competition. If with Vista MS decided that it would not support any of the previous code/applications, instead requiring either a dual-boot or running a VM system, then there would be no advantage to running Vista over any other OS - and considering Windows' main competitor is essentially free, I don't think MS would be willing to take the risk. That said, it would be amusing to see Vista running all it's apps in a port of WINE
I think the apple solution with the old OS running in a low overhead sandbox for legacy apps would be the proper way to go. MS's Windows on Windows sounds superficially similar to this, but afaik most of win64 is just win32 recompiled to use a 64bit int for pointers. yes I know there;s more to it, but it;s still mostly legacy code with the serials filed off.
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One of the problems I can see with ditching "legacy" support is that they would then be open to much more competition. If with Vista MS decided that it would not support any of the previous code/applications, instead requiring either a dual-boot or running a VM system, then there would be no advantage to running Vista over any other OS - and considering Windows' main competitor is essentially free, I don't think MS would be willing to take the risk. That said, it would be amusing to see Vista running all it's apps in a port of WINE :laugh:
Microsoft already know that their biggest competitor is their previous version. Windows 2000 still has many more users than MacOS. Windows XP is likely to have north of 50% usage share for at least a couple of years after Vista's released. In that context, compatibility with your previous version is a complete no-brainer. Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
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Given that quad-core chips and 1GB memory are going to be standard desktop equipment in next to no time "bloat" is not really an issue. '--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd
Pretty much what glitch177k said. We have been saying xGhz chips and xGb/Mb of memory will solve our problems but they never have. Software always fills the gap. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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Apple has repeatedly tried a version of the rewrite option which has contributed to its pathetic market share. Even with the original Mac OS, the rule of thumb is that an application would last four releases. Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Joe Woodbury wrote:
Apple has repeatedly tried a version of the rewrite option which has contributed to its pathetic market share
How much do you think that contributed? regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.