Crapware
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There's one reason I will always build my own machine and install a retail version of Windows, rather than buy any cookie cutter machine from those companies. Plus, so much of the crap they load the machine with is trial-ware anyway, it's just another avenue for marketing to you. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
I concur. I have had little or no problem when building my own machines yet at work the Dell's go belly up two or three times a day. Of course, we are using Lotus Notes so that has to take responsibility for at least one of the crashes a day.
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There's one reason I will always build my own machine and install a retail version of Windows, rather than buy any cookie cutter machine from those companies. Plus, so much of the crap they load the machine with is trial-ware anyway, it's just another avenue for marketing to you. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
I'm a big fan of Dell, but like you, the first thing I do is reformat (and repartition) the disk and reinstall Windows from scratch. Unfortunately, Dell now makes you pay $10 extra for the OS media. /ravi My new year's resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Music | Articles | Freeware | Trips ravib(at)ravib(dot)com
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There's one reason I will always build my own machine and install a retail version of Windows, rather than buy any cookie cutter machine from those companies. Plus, so much of the crap they load the machine with is trial-ware anyway, it's just another avenue for marketing to you. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
Troposphere wrote:
build my own machine and install a retail version of Windows
That helps to some degree, but wont help when you purchase an HP printer and try to install *only* the print drivers. It is so painfull. :-D Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] When I want privacy, I'll close the bathroom door. [Stan Shannon] GOOD DAY FOR: Moonlighting, as porn star Savanna Samson has launched her own wine label. Her Sogno Uno, an Italian red, received an "outstanding" 90 to 91 score from influential wine critic Robert Parker. "I wanted to do something my parents could be proud of," she said. (Reuters in CNNMoney.com)
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I concur. I have had little or no problem when building my own machines yet at work the Dell's go belly up two or three times a day. Of course, we are using Lotus Notes so that has to take responsibility for at least one of the crashes a day.
Kevin, When I looked quickly at your name, at first I thought it said Kevin Mitnick ! :wtf: ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
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There's one reason I will always build my own machine and install a retail version of Windows, rather than buy any cookie cutter machine from those companies. Plus, so much of the crap they load the machine with is trial-ware anyway, it's just another avenue for marketing to you. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
When I bought my Compaq laptop a couple of years ago, I told the BestBuy tech idiot NOT to put XP on it, and when I got it home, put Win2K on it. I downloaded the necessary sound/nic drivers from the HP site, and newer drivers from the ATI site, installed them, and never looked back. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Troposphere wrote:
build my own machine and install a retail version of Windows
That helps to some degree, but wont help when you purchase an HP printer and try to install *only* the print drivers. It is so painfull. :-D Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] When I want privacy, I'll close the bathroom door. [Stan Shannon] GOOD DAY FOR: Moonlighting, as porn star Savanna Samson has launched her own wine label. Her Sogno Uno, an Italian red, received an "outstanding" 90 to 91 score from influential wine critic Robert Parker. "I wanted to do something my parents could be proud of," she said. (Reuters in CNNMoney.com)
Chris Meech wrote:
but wont help when you purchase an HP printer
That's where you went wrong. While I've never seen a reliable ink jet printer, I've had way more problems with HP then any other brand, especially with the drivers. The only good printers I've had weighed a ton and made this nice soothing weeeh-weeeh noise as they printed out each line.
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Chris Meech wrote:
but wont help when you purchase an HP printer
That's where you went wrong. While I've never seen a reliable ink jet printer, I've had way more problems with HP then any other brand, especially with the drivers. The only good printers I've had weighed a ton and made this nice soothing weeeh-weeeh noise as they printed out each line.
Using the GridView is like trying to explain to someone else how to move a third person's hands in order to tie your shoelaces for you. -Chris Maunder
Absolutely!! I have gone through numerous ink jet printers from many different brands, but my ancient Panasonic KX-P2023 24-pin dot-matrix printer still chugs along perfectly!! ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
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Can some one here tell me why installing my HP PSC 2510 drivers take 391 MB on a minimum install? I don't install any image manipulation software, cartidge status alerts or anything; just the drivers, and it still takes 400 MB! :wtf: :mad: X|
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog! -- modified at 15:12 Tuesday 18th April, 2006
400 MB and 2.5 hours of installing. Must be all those rootkits they need to install to make sure you don't illegaly *do* something... OT: Which is really funny. You catch a company that uses a rootkit and then they pretend that they didn't know. Right, sure. I believe that.
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Troposphere wrote:
build my own machine and install a retail version of Windows
That helps to some degree, but wont help when you purchase an HP printer and try to install *only* the print drivers. It is so painfull. :-D Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] When I want privacy, I'll close the bathroom door. [Stan Shannon] GOOD DAY FOR: Moonlighting, as porn star Savanna Samson has launched her own wine label. Her Sogno Uno, an Italian red, received an "outstanding" 90 to 91 score from influential wine critic Robert Parker. "I wanted to do something my parents could be proud of," she said. (Reuters in CNNMoney.com)
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Chris Meech wrote:
That helps to some degree, but wont help when you purchase an HP printer and try to install *only* the print drivers. It is so painfull.
Is this doable at all?
yes, don't install from the cd that came with the printer. Instead, let XP find the drivers for you. It usually can. Otherwise, go to the HP site and download the printer driver from there. ---sig---
Silence is the voice of complicity Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- Vincent Reynolds Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay PS. If you don't understand my sarcasm -- go to hell! -
Can some one here tell me why installing my HP PSC 2510 drivers take 391 MB on a minimum install? I don't install any image manipulation software, cartidge status alerts or anything; just the drivers, and it still takes 400 MB! :wtf: :mad: X|
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog! -- modified at 15:12 Tuesday 18th April, 2006
Your mistake was to install the drivers from the CD that came with the printer. Instead, let XP find the drivers for you. It usually can. Or use the generic drivers that come with XP. They're usually good enough unless you need to take advantage of some funky feature of the printer. Otherwise, go to the HP site and download the printer driver from there. ---sig---
Silence is the voice of complicity Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- Vincent Reynolds Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay PS. If you don't understand my sarcasm -- go to hell! -
Can some one here tell me why installing my HP PSC 2510 drivers take 391 MB on a minimum install? I don't install any image manipulation software, cartidge status alerts or anything; just the drivers, and it still takes 400 MB! :wtf: :mad: X|
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog! -- modified at 15:12 Tuesday 18th April, 2006
Because HP software is crap. I helped a friend about 2 months ago uninstall his HP laserjet printer dirvers, and it took a bit of doing. His PC went from crashing 4 times a day, to non in the past 2 months. He and his wife could not belive that a "high quality" printer could cause those problems. It can if the software/drivers are crap. He was ready to buy a new PC, and his was only 15 months old and was quite high spec. Saved his cash, and he flogged it to some poor sole on E-bay for 80% of what he payed for it. The cycle continues......... HP software is crap. Do not touch. HP hardware is not bad - laptops etc. When buying printers I go for Cannon. They write decent stuff. Epson, equally, do not touch. People ask, whats good about Vista - Answer - user mode printer and audio drivers. They crash, the real source of the problem gets the blame. Can you imagine, would NVidia, or ATI be in business if their drivers were crap? NO!
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When I bought my Compaq laptop a couple of years ago, I told the BestBuy tech idiot NOT to put XP on it, and when I got it home, put Win2K on it. I downloaded the necessary sound/nic drivers from the HP site, and newer drivers from the ATI site, installed them, and never looked back. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
I'm with you. There's no substitute for doing a clean install yourself. And I run XP only on one machine (in the recording studio) where software insists upon it. Otherwise, Win2K gets the job done without the 175 layers of idiot proofing via the Fischer Price user interface. Christopher Duncan Practical Strategy Consulting Author of The Career Programmer Unite the Tribes
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There's an InfoWorld article cited in TCP Insider for 4/18/2006: Microsoft patch causes HP crashes[^]. What a joke! More like HP crapware crashes Windows. I test my apps against Microsoft's security patches, and I have never had a problem. I doubt that anyone else who has followed the rules has had a problem either. If HP, Dell, and Toshiba didn't put 20 GB of crapware on their consumer systems, they wouldn't have these problems! End of rant.:laugh: David Veeneman www.veeneman.com
yep. i got oneuh those hp psc (stands for [P]ie[S]e of [C]rap, right?) when i shutdown, some stupid hp driverish thingy stays around till killed manually. it's a known issue and they have a patch for it. i installed the patch and it still hangs like that. bleh.
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Your mistake was to install the drivers from the CD that came with the printer. Instead, let XP find the drivers for you. It usually can. Or use the generic drivers that come with XP. They're usually good enough unless you need to take advantage of some funky feature of the printer. Otherwise, go to the HP site and download the printer driver from there. ---sig---
Silence is the voice of complicity Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- Vincent Reynolds Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay PS. If you don't understand my sarcasm -- go to hell!Actually I downloaded the drivers from the website. A 350-MB-download includes a lot of stuff!! X|
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog!
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Because HP software is crap. I helped a friend about 2 months ago uninstall his HP laserjet printer dirvers, and it took a bit of doing. His PC went from crashing 4 times a day, to non in the past 2 months. He and his wife could not belive that a "high quality" printer could cause those problems. It can if the software/drivers are crap. He was ready to buy a new PC, and his was only 15 months old and was quite high spec. Saved his cash, and he flogged it to some poor sole on E-bay for 80% of what he payed for it. The cycle continues......... HP software is crap. Do not touch. HP hardware is not bad - laptops etc. When buying printers I go for Cannon. They write decent stuff. Epson, equally, do not touch. People ask, whats good about Vista - Answer - user mode printer and audio drivers. They crash, the real source of the problem gets the blame. Can you imagine, would NVidia, or ATI be in business if their drivers were crap? NO!
A program (actually a Windows service) in my laptop was crashing every time, and I was just leaving it for later. When it got too annoying, I decided to fix it. I downloaded Autoruns from SysInternals, removed two HP apps (one for software updates and something else) and everything has been fine since then. I hate HP software! X|
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog!
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Kevin, When I looked quickly at your name, at first I thought it said Kevin Mitnick ! :wtf: ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸
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I'm with you. There's no substitute for doing a clean install yourself. And I run XP only on one machine (in the recording studio) where software insists upon it. Otherwise, Win2K gets the job done without the 175 layers of idiot proofing via the Fischer Price user interface. Christopher Duncan Practical Strategy Consulting Author of The Career Programmer Unite the Tribes
You know that you can turn off the cartoon interface? Right click on the desktop, select properties, under theme select 'windows classic'. Right click on the taskbar, select properties, select start menu, and pick the classic start menu. Voila!, back to the w2k interface and a slight performance boost. -Sean ---- Shag a Lizard
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Because HP software is crap. I helped a friend about 2 months ago uninstall his HP laserjet printer dirvers, and it took a bit of doing. His PC went from crashing 4 times a day, to non in the past 2 months. He and his wife could not belive that a "high quality" printer could cause those problems. It can if the software/drivers are crap. He was ready to buy a new PC, and his was only 15 months old and was quite high spec. Saved his cash, and he flogged it to some poor sole on E-bay for 80% of what he payed for it. The cycle continues......... HP software is crap. Do not touch. HP hardware is not bad - laptops etc. When buying printers I go for Cannon. They write decent stuff. Epson, equally, do not touch. People ask, whats good about Vista - Answer - user mode printer and audio drivers. They crash, the real source of the problem gets the blame. Can you imagine, would NVidia, or ATI be in business if their drivers were crap? NO!
Hewlett-Packard is your typical hardware company. They make great hardware, but think software is easy and skimp on it. Their printer drivers have been crap for as long as I can remember. The scary part for me is, the guy who's the head honcho now where I work used to be an HP executive :~.
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You know that you can turn off the cartoon interface? Right click on the desktop, select properties, under theme select 'windows classic'. Right click on the taskbar, select properties, select start menu, and pick the classic start menu. Voila!, back to the w2k interface and a slight performance boost. -Sean ---- Shag a Lizard
Blah, blah, blah... Like I've said before, the only real reason to "upgrade" to WinXP is ClearType, and that's only if you have a LCD monitor. However, it's not a compelling enough reason to use XP. The only downside of using Win2K is that you have to turn off the web look-n-feel of the folders. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
