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  • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

    Does anyone else here use InstallShield to build install packages? I use the Express edition, and it's a very nice program, but I have to say that the install programs it creates are extremely bloated in size! It does offer you the choice of using their compact engine which produces an install program around 1 MB for a small program, but the compact engine has very, very limited functionality. The standard installation engine produces an install package of 5 MB + for even a very small program. This is very frustrating because my clients don't like such a huge installation program. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸

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    Ryan Binns
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    I use InnoSetup, and I can still ship installers that fit on a single floppy disk :)

    Ryan

    "Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"

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      I use InnoSetup, and I can still ship installers that fit on a single floppy disk :)

      Ryan

      "Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"

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      Richard Andrew x64
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      Trouble is, they didn't tell me about this issue before I plunked down my money for their program. Now I'm stuck with it. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸

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      • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

        Does anyone else here use InstallShield to build install packages? I use the Express edition, and it's a very nice program, but I have to say that the install programs it creates are extremely bloated in size! It does offer you the choice of using their compact engine which produces an install program around 1 MB for a small program, but the compact engine has very, very limited functionality. The standard installation engine produces an install package of 5 MB + for even a very small program. This is very frustrating because my clients don't like such a huge installation program. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸

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        El Corazon
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        we plunked down the money for install shield, but no one ever learned how to use it because they don't want the programming department doing install packages, so the install package is still generated with NSIS by me (thus programming department). It's still up in the air if they will have someone learn NSIS or keep trying to duplicate what I did with NSIS under install shield. NSIS still works quite well and very powerful, and free. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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        • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

          Does anyone else here use InstallShield to build install packages? I use the Express edition, and it's a very nice program, but I have to say that the install programs it creates are extremely bloated in size! It does offer you the choice of using their compact engine which produces an install program around 1 MB for a small program, but the compact engine has very, very limited functionality. The standard installation engine produces an install package of 5 MB + for even a very small program. This is very frustrating because my clients don't like such a huge installation program. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸

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          Michael Dunn
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          Troposphere wrote:

          Does anyone else here use InstallShield to build install packages?

          No. I had horrible experiences with their tech support at an old job, and will never use their products in the future. Inno and GInstall are very capable replacements. (NSIS gets good praise too, but I haven't used it myself.)

          --Mike-- Visual C++ MVP :cool: LINKS~! Ericahist | NEW!! PimpFish | CP SearchBar v3.0 | C++ Forum FAQ

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          • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

            Does anyone else here use InstallShield to build install packages? I use the Express edition, and it's a very nice program, but I have to say that the install programs it creates are extremely bloated in size! It does offer you the choice of using their compact engine which produces an install program around 1 MB for a small program, but the compact engine has very, very limited functionality. The standard installation engine produces an install package of 5 MB + for even a very small program. This is very frustrating because my clients don't like such a huge installation program. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸

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            Luis Alonso Ramos
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            I've used Inno Setup before, and it has been great! Best of all, it's free!

            Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico

            Not much here: My CP Blog!

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            • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

              Does anyone else here use InstallShield to build install packages? I use the Express edition, and it's a very nice program, but I have to say that the install programs it creates are extremely bloated in size! It does offer you the choice of using their compact engine which produces an install program around 1 MB for a small program, but the compact engine has very, very limited functionality. The standard installation engine produces an install package of 5 MB + for even a very small program. This is very frustrating because my clients don't like such a huge installation program. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸

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              Bob X
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              Have looked at and have both innosetup[^] and nsis. Prefer innosetup, but have not had to use it yet to make an installer, just poked around both programs. -- modified at 23:01 Sunday 23rd April, 2006 Hate these spelling mistakes :mad:

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              • M Michael Dunn

                Troposphere wrote:

                Does anyone else here use InstallShield to build install packages?

                No. I had horrible experiences with their tech support at an old job, and will never use their products in the future. Inno and GInstall are very capable replacements. (NSIS gets good praise too, but I haven't used it myself.)

                --Mike-- Visual C++ MVP :cool: LINKS~! Ericahist | NEW!! PimpFish | CP SearchBar v3.0 | C++ Forum FAQ

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                Maxwell Chen
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                Michael Dunn wrote:

                Inno and

                I once made an installer with InnoSetup. I hoped it to directly restart Windows without giving users a chance to let choose YES or NO, but just [OK] to restart. But the only outcome I could make is a message box for [restart now] or [restart later]. Do you have any idea how to do this? Thank you.


                Maxwell Chen

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                • M Maxwell Chen

                  Michael Dunn wrote:

                  Inno and

                  I once made an installer with InnoSetup. I hoped it to directly restart Windows without giving users a chance to let choose YES or NO, but just [OK] to restart. But the only outcome I could make is a message box for [restart now] or [restart later]. Do you have any idea how to do this? Thank you.


                  Maxwell Chen

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                  Michael Dunn
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                  hmm.. actually I haven't used Inno in quite a while, I don't remember a whole lot. I detest working on install, so I have successfully avoided doing it for the past 7 years ;)

                  --Mike-- Visual C++ MVP :cool: LINKS~! Ericahist | NEW!! PimpFish | CP SearchBar v3.0 | C++ Forum FAQ

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                  • M Michael Dunn

                    hmm.. actually I haven't used Inno in quite a while, I don't remember a whole lot. I detest working on install, so I have successfully avoided doing it for the past 7 years ;)

                    --Mike-- Visual C++ MVP :cool: LINKS~! Ericahist | NEW!! PimpFish | CP SearchBar v3.0 | C++ Forum FAQ

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                    Maxwell Chen
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                    ;P


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                    • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                      Trouble is, they didn't tell me about this issue before I plunked down my money for their program. Now I'm stuck with it. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸

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                      Orcrist
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                      Inno all the way. It's too bad you spent money on a lemon but you really I would at least look at Inno Setup. Flexible and Free (but I am sure he appreciates donations). I went through the same thing with ComponentOne. With the exception of Reports I dropped all their stuff even though I dropped around 600CDN on it. Chalk it up to lessons learned the hard way. My best suggestion for the future is drop by the CP lounge and ask which Tool to use for what purpose and you will get a great list of products to examine. Many free. For example if you ask about modelling you will probably find a ton of endorsements for Enterprise Architect over Rational Rose just on the basis of 'best bang for buck'. Good Luck with your install. Cheers, David

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                      • M Maxwell Chen

                        Michael Dunn wrote:

                        Inno and

                        I once made an installer with InnoSetup. I hoped it to directly restart Windows without giving users a chance to let choose YES or NO, but just [OK] to restart. But the only outcome I could make is a message box for [restart now] or [restart later]. Do you have any idea how to do this? Thank you.


                        Maxwell Chen

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                        Shog9 0
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                        Maxwell Chen wrote:

                        I hoped it to directly restart Windows without giving users a chance to let choose YES or NO, but just [OK] to restart.

                        You're joking... right? :~

                        Now taking suggestions for the next release of CPhog...

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                          Maxwell Chen wrote:

                          I hoped it to directly restart Windows without giving users a chance to let choose YES or NO, but just [OK] to restart.

                          You're joking... right? :~

                          Now taking suggestions for the next release of CPhog...

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                          Luis Alonso Ramos
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                          A lot of installers do that. I don't like it, so I just drag the window offscreen, and restar whenever I feel like. X|

                          Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico

                          Not much here: My CP Blog!

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                          • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                            Does anyone else here use InstallShield to build install packages? I use the Express edition, and it's a very nice program, but I have to say that the install programs it creates are extremely bloated in size! It does offer you the choice of using their compact engine which produces an install program around 1 MB for a small program, but the compact engine has very, very limited functionality. The standard installation engine produces an install package of 5 MB + for even a very small program. This is very frustrating because my clients don't like such a huge installation program. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸

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                            peterchen
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                            for small things, use Innosetup. It's not so much bloat, but a fixed overhead which is ok for large projects.


                            Some of us walk the memory lane, others plummet into a rabbit hole
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                            • L Luis Alonso Ramos

                              A lot of installers do that. I don't like it, so I just drag the window offscreen, and restar whenever I feel like. X|

                              Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico

                              Not much here: My CP Blog!

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                              Stuart Dootson
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                              Me too - especially the Norton Antivirus updater - seems like every time the bloated piece of sh*t downloads something, it wants to restart my machine, without giving me the option of saying 'Nah, not yet'. Yet another reason why Symantec are never getting another penny of my money...

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                              • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                                Does anyone else here use InstallShield to build install packages? I use the Express edition, and it's a very nice program, but I have to say that the install programs it creates are extremely bloated in size! It does offer you the choice of using their compact engine which produces an install program around 1 MB for a small program, but the compact engine has very, very limited functionality. The standard installation engine produces an install package of 5 MB + for even a very small program. This is very frustrating because my clients don't like such a huge installation program. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸

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                                Andrew Peace
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                                I find this thread interesting reading. Open to anyone: If you took the best installation maker you knew of, how would you rate it? Say, out of 5, where 5 is the perfect installer, and 0 is the worst thing imagineable? If I gave you something that matched up to your 5, would your company policy allow you to use it? The place I work at is kinda interesting, because we have rather rradical installations that mean we have hand written installers. -- Andrew.

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                                  Michael Dunn wrote:

                                  Inno and

                                  I once made an installer with InnoSetup. I hoped it to directly restart Windows without giving users a chance to let choose YES or NO, but just [OK] to restart. But the only outcome I could make is a message box for [restart now] or [restart later]. Do you have any idea how to do this? Thank you.


                                  Maxwell Chen

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                                  feline_dracoform
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                                  so i am a user, i have 3 documents open that i am working on, and your installer reboots my computer without asking me... you will not see me for dust! zen is the art of being at one with the two'ness

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                                    A lot of installers do that. I don't like it, so I just drag the window offscreen, and restar whenever I feel like. X|

                                    Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico

                                    Not much here: My CP Blog!

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                                    Dan Neely
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                                    Kill the process and be done with it.

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                                      Inno all the way. It's too bad you spent money on a lemon but you really I would at least look at Inno Setup. Flexible and Free (but I am sure he appreciates donations). I went through the same thing with ComponentOne. With the exception of Reports I dropped all their stuff even though I dropped around 600CDN on it. Chalk it up to lessons learned the hard way. My best suggestion for the future is drop by the CP lounge and ask which Tool to use for what purpose and you will get a great list of products to examine. Many free. For example if you ask about modelling you will probably find a ton of endorsements for Enterprise Architect over Rational Rose just on the basis of 'best bang for buck'. Good Luck with your install. Cheers, David

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                                      Bassam Abdul Baki
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                                      You have anything better than VSFlegGrid? We used it in my previous company and I actually had to implement a lot of the features it offered. "If only one person knows the truth, it is still the truth." - Mahatma Gandhi Web - Blog - RSS - Math

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                                      • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                                        Does anyone else here use InstallShield to build install packages? I use the Express edition, and it's a very nice program, but I have to say that the install programs it creates are extremely bloated in size! It does offer you the choice of using their compact engine which produces an install program around 1 MB for a small program, but the compact engine has very, very limited functionality. The standard installation engine produces an install package of 5 MB + for even a very small program. This is very frustrating because my clients don't like such a huge installation program. ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸

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                                        Brigg Thorp
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                                        I've been tasked with writing the installation for every piece of software that we've written. I started about 10 years ago with Wise, which was a great product in its day. Easy to use scripts. However, as Windows became more complicated, I found that InstallShield was much better at handling it. After a couple of years using their product, now I can't stand it. The UI sucks and there is way too much complexity if you want to do anything different than their standard install format. I think for the next installer I write, it's going to be with Nullsoft's Installer[^]. Either that, or I'll go revist Wise for Windows. Brigg Thorp Senior Software Engineer Timex Corporation

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                                        • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                                          You have anything better than VSFlegGrid? We used it in my previous company and I actually had to implement a lot of the features it offered. "If only one person knows the truth, it is still the truth." - Mahatma Gandhi Web - Blog - RSS - Math

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                                          Orcrist
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                                          Ah. I forgot. Yea I still do use ComponentOne FlexGrid on occasion but I tend to use Farpoint Spread more often. D.

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