Anti-Copy Bill Slams Coders
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This is probably a re-post .. I did a search and didn't find any threads about it in the lounge, sooooo... Can you believe this!! ---> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,51274,00.html Obviously it would not be likely that it would pass, however many of these types of bills are passed more often than people think (there are a lot of organizations fighting this junk). You can be sure that people like Lawrence Lessig and other people involved in intellectual property law will be all over it. Any thoughts about it? Travis D. Mathison ---
--- After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless ...It's impossible : No more than two years and seven months after the bill becomes law, the only code programmers and software firms will be able to distribute must have embedded copy-protection schemes approved by the federal government. Doubly stupid ! It could become unlawful for U.S. programmers to distribute any newly developed non-compliant code after the CBDTPA takes effect. Because the CBDTPA also regulates importing software, it could be illegal to download non-compliant code from overseas. This must be the most daft legislation possible ? What next ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Testing Current Sig <:jig:>
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It's impossible : No more than two years and seven months after the bill becomes law, the only code programmers and software firms will be able to distribute must have embedded copy-protection schemes approved by the federal government. Doubly stupid ! It could become unlawful for U.S. programmers to distribute any newly developed non-compliant code after the CBDTPA takes effect. Because the CBDTPA also regulates importing software, it could be illegal to download non-compliant code from overseas. This must be the most daft legislation possible ? What next ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Testing Current Sig <:jig:>
This is an extreme case for sure .. however after sifting through cases found at http://www.eff.org/, there are many cases being vigorously fought that have similarly projected aftermaths. It makes me sick.. I think I should become an EFF member. Travis D. Mathison ---
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Hmm - so America is slowly crawling out of a tech induced recession and now wants to shoot the slowly recovering IT body in the head? Sensational work lads. If this were enacted I would imagine the US would become a tech backwater in about, oh, 2 years and 7 months. cheers, Chris Maunder
Good news for Nish: maybe Microsoft would move to India ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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This is probably a re-post .. I did a search and didn't find any threads about it in the lounge, sooooo... Can you believe this!! ---> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,51274,00.html Obviously it would not be likely that it would pass, however many of these types of bills are passed more often than people think (there are a lot of organizations fighting this junk). You can be sure that people like Lawrence Lessig and other people involved in intellectual property law will be all over it. Any thoughts about it? Travis D. Mathison ---
--- After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless ...Hmm - so America is slowly crawling out of a tech induced recession and now wants to shoot the slowly recovering IT body in the head? Sensational work lads. If this were enacted I would imagine the US would become a tech backwater in about, oh, 2 years and 7 months. cheers, Chris Maunder
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Good news for Nish: maybe Microsoft would move to India ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
LOL! hmmm, but everybody in the US would still not be able to download from them .. that would be a violation and thus; punishable. X| Travis D. Mathison ---
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This is probably a re-post .. I did a search and didn't find any threads about it in the lounge, sooooo... Can you believe this!! ---> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,51274,00.html Obviously it would not be likely that it would pass, however many of these types of bills are passed more often than people think (there are a lot of organizations fighting this junk). You can be sure that people like Lawrence Lessig and other people involved in intellectual property law will be all over it. Any thoughts about it? Travis D. Mathison ---
--- After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless ...to send a FAX to the congressmen resposnsible: http://www.digitalconsumer.org -c
Smaller Animals Software, Inc. You're the icing - on the cake - on the table - at my wake. Modest Mouse
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This is an extreme case for sure .. however after sifting through cases found at http://www.eff.org/, there are many cases being vigorously fought that have similarly projected aftermaths. It makes me sick.. I think I should become an EFF member. Travis D. Mathison ---
--- After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless ...Travis D. Mathison wrote: This is an extreme case for sure Extremly idiotic, I agree. But there always seems to be some ridiculous Legislation being presented in the USA in regards to technology. A real concern is that oneday one of these things will pass through the system and actually become "law". I wonder if the bill you showed is easier for Windows or Linux to impliment. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Testing Current Sig <:jig:>
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Hmm - so America is slowly crawling out of a tech induced recession and now wants to shoot the slowly recovering IT body in the head? Sensational work lads. If this were enacted I would imagine the US would become a tech backwater in about, oh, 2 years and 7 months. cheers, Chris Maunder
Very well put, Chris. You must own a cat :-P Cheers, Tom Archer Author, Inside C#
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It's impossible : No more than two years and seven months after the bill becomes law, the only code programmers and software firms will be able to distribute must have embedded copy-protection schemes approved by the federal government. Doubly stupid ! It could become unlawful for U.S. programmers to distribute any newly developed non-compliant code after the CBDTPA takes effect. Because the CBDTPA also regulates importing software, it could be illegal to download non-compliant code from overseas. This must be the most daft legislation possible ? What next ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Testing Current Sig <:jig:>
****Colin Davies wrote: It could become unlawful for U.S. programmers to distribute any newly developed non-compliant code after the CBDTPA takes effect This will really promote outsourcing to other countries, leaving US programmers jobless. Stay in India Nish! (Is that where you're from?) (2b || !2b)
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****Colin Davies wrote: It could become unlawful for U.S. programmers to distribute any newly developed non-compliant code after the CBDTPA takes effect This will really promote outsourcing to other countries, leaving US programmers jobless. Stay in India Nish! (Is that where you're from?) (2b || !2b)
James Pullicino wrote: This will really promote outsourcing to other countries, leaving US programmers jobless. Stay in India Nish! (Is that where you're from?) Yeah Nish is. :-) But the whole idea of making unenforceable laws is ridiculous. What gets me is how the folk who draft this stuff can't see the effect it will have. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Testing Current Sig <:jig:>
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This is probably a re-post .. I did a search and didn't find any threads about it in the lounge, sooooo... Can you believe this!! ---> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,51274,00.html Obviously it would not be likely that it would pass, however many of these types of bills are passed more often than people think (there are a lot of organizations fighting this junk). You can be sure that people like Lawrence Lessig and other people involved in intellectual property law will be all over it. Any thoughts about it? Travis D. Mathison ---
--- After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless ...this affects essentially everything you can do with a computer: images, sounds, text, programs: everything that someone can put a copyright on would be subject to Digital Rights Management. no more independent bands making music for distribution on their own terms, no more creating high-quality video, no more independent programmers, etc.. far-fetched? not really. for it to really work, this DRM stuff will have to be enforced at the hardware level - the hardware decrypts the data stream and plays it. but, the only people who are going to have the ability to encrypt the media and programs are going to be the big media/programming companies, and they can't share the keys with the general public. if they did, that would mean anyone could reproduce their precious stuff, encrypt it and sell it as valid, legal, verified, licensed, signed, grade A certified Content. so, everything becomes a Playstation - no access to the good stuff without expensive licenses. US citizens should write their Congress-people ASAP . -c
Smaller Animals Software, Inc. You're the icing - on the cake - on the table - at my wake. Modest Mouse
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Good news for Nish: maybe Microsoft would move to India ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
In that case, how is the weather in India Nish? -:suss:Matt Newman / Anti-Linux Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179:BestSnowman
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James Pullicino wrote: This will really promote outsourcing to other countries, leaving US programmers jobless. Stay in India Nish! (Is that where you're from?) Yeah Nish is. :-) But the whole idea of making unenforceable laws is ridiculous. What gets me is how the folk who draft this stuff can't see the effect it will have. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Testing Current Sig <:jig:>
****Colin Davies wrote: What gets me is how the folk who draft this stuff can't see the effect it will have. why should they? this is a (potential) law that's being paid for by huge media companies, as literally all US copyright laws for the last 100+ years have been. this has nothing to do with what's best for the common folk, this is all about campaign contributions. lobbiests, paid for by media companies have convinced our congress people that the only way to save US media companies is to clamp down on this horrible digital copying. the people pushing this bill, knowing nothing about the real situation, and blinded anyway by huge $$ are pulling the kind of crap that should lead to huge public outrage. but the public doesn't even know enough to care - and how could they? the big media companies aren't talking about it because it's in their best interest not to. the US government is hopelessly influenced. -c
Smaller Animals Software, Inc. You're the icing - on the cake - on the table - at my wake. Modest Mouse
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****Colin Davies wrote: What gets me is how the folk who draft this stuff can't see the effect it will have. why should they? this is a (potential) law that's being paid for by huge media companies, as literally all US copyright laws for the last 100+ years have been. this has nothing to do with what's best for the common folk, this is all about campaign contributions. lobbiests, paid for by media companies have convinced our congress people that the only way to save US media companies is to clamp down on this horrible digital copying. the people pushing this bill, knowing nothing about the real situation, and blinded anyway by huge $$ are pulling the kind of crap that should lead to huge public outrage. but the public doesn't even know enough to care - and how could they? the big media companies aren't talking about it because it's in their best interest not to. the US government is hopelessly influenced. -c
Smaller Animals Software, Inc. You're the icing - on the cake - on the table - at my wake. Modest Mouse
Chris Losinger wrote: the US government is hopelessly influenced. Yes, it appears that way. :-( Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Testing Current Sig <:jig:>
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In that case, how is the weather in India Nish? -:suss:Matt Newman / Anti-Linux Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179:BestSnowman
†****Matt Newman wrote: In that case, how is the weather in India Nish? I think its hot and wet, definitly not snow-mobile type terrain, :-( Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Testing Current Sig <:jig:>
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This is probably a re-post .. I did a search and didn't find any threads about it in the lounge, sooooo... Can you believe this!! ---> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,51274,00.html Obviously it would not be likely that it would pass, however many of these types of bills are passed more often than people think (there are a lot of organizations fighting this junk). You can be sure that people like Lawrence Lessig and other people involved in intellectual property law will be all over it. Any thoughts about it? Travis D. Mathison ---
--- After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless ...The US members of this list really, really, really need to get vocal about this. Don't just write your congressman, get all over the media. Tell them how it will affect the ordinary people. There is one line about allowing fair use copies of broadcasts for single viewing. Does this mean that all new VCRs will make a tape of a movie and then only allow *one* viewing of that tape? Possibly it will encode a signal on broadcast copies that will cause the tape to be erased as it's played. This will affect overseas developers too. The Skylarov case is a good example. If it's illegal to create software without this protection, will an Aussie, Indian, or British developer who does so get arrested by the FBI as soon as they set foot in the country? Hmmmm. Another example of clueless politicians at work!
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****Matt Newman wrote: In that case, how is the weather in India Nish? I think its hot and wet, definitly not snow-mobile type terrain, :-( Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin Testing Current Sig <:jig:>
I could take up atv's. Or just take a lot of vacations :) -:suss:Matt Newman / Anti-Linux Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179:BestSnowman
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This is probably a re-post .. I did a search and didn't find any threads about it in the lounge, sooooo... Can you believe this!! ---> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,51274,00.html Obviously it would not be likely that it would pass, however many of these types of bills are passed more often than people think (there are a lot of organizations fighting this junk). You can be sure that people like Lawrence Lessig and other people involved in intellectual property law will be all over it. Any thoughts about it? Travis D. Mathison ---
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****Colin Davies wrote: What gets me is how the folk who draft this stuff can't see the effect it will have. why should they? this is a (potential) law that's being paid for by huge media companies, as literally all US copyright laws for the last 100+ years have been. this has nothing to do with what's best for the common folk, this is all about campaign contributions. lobbiests, paid for by media companies have convinced our congress people that the only way to save US media companies is to clamp down on this horrible digital copying. the people pushing this bill, knowing nothing about the real situation, and blinded anyway by huge $$ are pulling the kind of crap that should lead to huge public outrage. but the public doesn't even know enough to care - and how could they? the big media companies aren't talking about it because it's in their best interest not to. the US government is hopelessly influenced. -c
Smaller Animals Software, Inc. You're the icing - on the cake - on the table - at my wake. Modest Mouse
Chris Losinger wrote: the US government is hopelessly influenced. I think stronger language is warranted here: All your congre$$men are belong to us. :eek: "I've read the Bible through a couple of times and it is a nice collection of morality stories and adventure fiction. Sort of like Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer except without the laughs." -- Michael P Butler 14 Mar '02
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Chris Losinger wrote: the US government is hopelessly influenced. I think stronger language is warranted here: All your congre$$men are belong to us. :eek: "I've read the Bible through a couple of times and it is a nice collection of morality stories and adventure fiction. Sort of like Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer except without the laughs." -- Michael P Butler 14 Mar '02
Daniel Ferguson wrote: All your congre$$men are belong to us Perfect -:suss:Matt Newman / Anti-Linux Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179:BestSnowman
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