Anti-Copy Bill Slams Coders
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****Colin Davies wrote: What gets me is how the folk who draft this stuff can't see the effect it will have. why should they? this is a (potential) law that's being paid for by huge media companies, as literally all US copyright laws for the last 100+ years have been. this has nothing to do with what's best for the common folk, this is all about campaign contributions. lobbiests, paid for by media companies have convinced our congress people that the only way to save US media companies is to clamp down on this horrible digital copying. the people pushing this bill, knowing nothing about the real situation, and blinded anyway by huge $$ are pulling the kind of crap that should lead to huge public outrage. but the public doesn't even know enough to care - and how could they? the big media companies aren't talking about it because it's in their best interest not to. the US government is hopelessly influenced. -c
Smaller Animals Software, Inc. You're the icing - on the cake - on the table - at my wake. Modest Mouse
Chris Losinger wrote: the US government is hopelessly influenced. Yes, it appears that way. :-( Regardz Colin J Davies
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In that case, how is the weather in India Nish? -:suss:Matt Newman / Anti-Linux Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179:BestSnowman
†****Matt Newman wrote: In that case, how is the weather in India Nish? I think its hot and wet, definitly not snow-mobile type terrain, :-( Regardz Colin J Davies
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This is probably a re-post .. I did a search and didn't find any threads about it in the lounge, sooooo... Can you believe this!! ---> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,51274,00.html Obviously it would not be likely that it would pass, however many of these types of bills are passed more often than people think (there are a lot of organizations fighting this junk). You can be sure that people like Lawrence Lessig and other people involved in intellectual property law will be all over it. Any thoughts about it? Travis D. Mathison ---
--- After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless ...The US members of this list really, really, really need to get vocal about this. Don't just write your congressman, get all over the media. Tell them how it will affect the ordinary people. There is one line about allowing fair use copies of broadcasts for single viewing. Does this mean that all new VCRs will make a tape of a movie and then only allow *one* viewing of that tape? Possibly it will encode a signal on broadcast copies that will cause the tape to be erased as it's played. This will affect overseas developers too. The Skylarov case is a good example. If it's illegal to create software without this protection, will an Aussie, Indian, or British developer who does so get arrested by the FBI as soon as they set foot in the country? Hmmmm. Another example of clueless politicians at work!
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****Matt Newman wrote: In that case, how is the weather in India Nish? I think its hot and wet, definitly not snow-mobile type terrain, :-( Regardz Colin J Davies
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I could take up atv's. Or just take a lot of vacations :) -:suss:Matt Newman / Anti-Linux Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179:BestSnowman
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This is probably a re-post .. I did a search and didn't find any threads about it in the lounge, sooooo... Can you believe this!! ---> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,51274,00.html Obviously it would not be likely that it would pass, however many of these types of bills are passed more often than people think (there are a lot of organizations fighting this junk). You can be sure that people like Lawrence Lessig and other people involved in intellectual property law will be all over it. Any thoughts about it? Travis D. Mathison ---
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****Colin Davies wrote: What gets me is how the folk who draft this stuff can't see the effect it will have. why should they? this is a (potential) law that's being paid for by huge media companies, as literally all US copyright laws for the last 100+ years have been. this has nothing to do with what's best for the common folk, this is all about campaign contributions. lobbiests, paid for by media companies have convinced our congress people that the only way to save US media companies is to clamp down on this horrible digital copying. the people pushing this bill, knowing nothing about the real situation, and blinded anyway by huge $$ are pulling the kind of crap that should lead to huge public outrage. but the public doesn't even know enough to care - and how could they? the big media companies aren't talking about it because it's in their best interest not to. the US government is hopelessly influenced. -c
Smaller Animals Software, Inc. You're the icing - on the cake - on the table - at my wake. Modest Mouse
Chris Losinger wrote: the US government is hopelessly influenced. I think stronger language is warranted here: All your congre$$men are belong to us. :eek: "I've read the Bible through a couple of times and it is a nice collection of morality stories and adventure fiction. Sort of like Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer except without the laughs." -- Michael P Butler 14 Mar '02
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Chris Losinger wrote: the US government is hopelessly influenced. I think stronger language is warranted here: All your congre$$men are belong to us. :eek: "I've read the Bible through a couple of times and it is a nice collection of morality stories and adventure fiction. Sort of like Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer except without the laughs." -- Michael P Butler 14 Mar '02
Daniel Ferguson wrote: All your congre$$men are belong to us Perfect -:suss:Matt Newman / Anti-Linux Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179:BestSnowman
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This is probably a re-post .. I did a search and didn't find any threads about it in the lounge, sooooo... Can you believe this!! ---> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,51274,00.html Obviously it would not be likely that it would pass, however many of these types of bills are passed more often than people think (there are a lot of organizations fighting this junk). You can be sure that people like Lawrence Lessig and other people involved in intellectual property law will be all over it. Any thoughts about it? Travis D. Mathison ---
--- After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless ...Even programmers who distribute their code for free would be prohibited from releasing newer versions -- unless the application included federally approved technology. That has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. So if a student at a university in the USA writes some code, and gives it away, the law would waste it's resources on finding and punishing him ? What would happen to CP ? Do our articles constitute code that needs 'federally approved' copy protection ? Do they write it or do we ? How do we know it's not spying on us and/or our customers ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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Even programmers who distribute their code for free would be prohibited from releasing newer versions -- unless the application included federally approved technology. That has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. So if a student at a university in the USA writes some code, and gives it away, the law would waste it's resources on finding and punishing him ? What would happen to CP ? Do our articles constitute code that needs 'federally approved' copy protection ? Do they write it or do we ? How do we know it's not spying on us and/or our customers ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: How do we know it's not spying on us and/or our customers ? I believe this is a large part of their idea. Embedding their so-called "Federally approved technology" code into our software, will enable them to keep more control of what happens. The fact is, the Government is afraid of losing control -- they always want a back door whether it has to do with encryption, a new powerful solution, or any other way to distribute information.. An unbelievable amount of people don't really even know what the heck is going on, they don't want to know what is going on, don't have the will and/or energy to find out what is really going on .. and as such, they don't care. Most of them will end up voting for bills or laws when they don't really know what they're voting for.. And how will the Government get most people to vote for them ??? They simply used the few words -- "It needs to be passed to protect National Security!". That will get most to vote for it. The whole truth is rarely (if ever) provided as it's not even necessary to get these things passed. Travis D. Mathison ---
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It's impossible : No more than two years and seven months after the bill becomes law, the only code programmers and software firms will be able to distribute must have embedded copy-protection schemes approved by the federal government. Doubly stupid ! It could become unlawful for U.S. programmers to distribute any newly developed non-compliant code after the CBDTPA takes effect. Because the CBDTPA also regulates importing software, it could be illegal to download non-compliant code from overseas. This must be the most daft legislation possible ? What next ? Regardz Colin J Davies
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****Colin Davies wrote: This must be the most daft legislation possible ? What next ? The EU trying pass a bill banning the use of cookies in websites... I have not heard much about that one recently and I hope that is because it has died a quick death. ****Colin Davies wrote: will be able to distribute must have embedded copy-protection schemes approved by the federal government. I always thought that part of the role of the government was not to meddle in specific industries like they are doing here. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge