what do you think CP web site
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Having a look at these sites, I think I see where you are at. You have read Alan Cooper's "The Inmates are Running the Asylum" and you only half understood it. So, let me put this in terms on Alan Cooper's "personas": Code Project's user base has three primary personas (that I can see - Chris, et al. would be better placed to describe them, but I'll give it a go) First there is Kevin. Kevin is at university studying for a degree in computer science. He struggles with some of his course work and frequently asks for help in the programming forums. He quickly learned not to post in the Lounge and he's also learned that direct homework questions are met by a barrage of abuse. He actually understands he will learn if he tries to apply himself first, although he still has some way to go before he is able to frame his questions well. He hasn't written any articles, but does make extensive use of them. Then there is Ernie. Ernie is a software developer in his mid-20s who graduated from university about 3 years ago. He knows a fair bit about some technologies but still struggles with the vast area that is software development. He can help out by answering some questions on forums, but spends more time asking them. He has written an article but his lack of knowledge lead to a slighly below average score but he is striving to do better next time. He also likes to hang out in the social areas of the site where he can rant about the linux fanboys on slashdot. Earnie doesn't like the clutter of Slashdot, and is not overly impressed with large amounts of flash animation unless it is a cartoon about the decapitation of badgers, snakes and mushrooms. Finally there is Norm. He's now in his mid-30s and has been developing software professionally for over 15 years. He rarely needs to ask any questions in the programming forums and spends most of his time answering them. He needs an occasional sounding board for rants about his work and the Lounge and Soapbox are perfect for that. He's written at least a half dozen article most with great scores. He is more pragmatic about technologies than Earnie, but still doesn't like the type of zealotry that can be found on Slashdot. When ever he visits a website he wants to find the information he is looking for quickly and without fuss. Lots of flash animation slowing the access to that information is a big turn off.
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers co
That's a good list though I think there is a 4th catagory. ;) Pictures of the menu available at the drive-thru
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Hi, SInce codeproject is the no 1 web site for most of the IT people. what do you think of the design of the webpage. Though its more homely and friendly, Sometimes I see many child like images. If any alien comes to earth and he browse for the no 1 IT site on this earth, he wont feel it that much professional or modern. Its said that website should make the best impression within 3 seconds. (dont ask where I read that ;)) I feel CP administrators should use all the knowledge in codeproject to build a very ultra modern website. I dont remember the name but I happen to visit a website which was so fast and modern and game like settings in it. it was damn good wish I could suggest the name. make it a opensource project. allocate some time for it. ppatel
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Hi, SInce codeproject is the no 1 web site for most of the IT people. what do you think of the design of the webpage. Though its more homely and friendly, Sometimes I see many child like images. If any alien comes to earth and he browse for the no 1 IT site on this earth, he wont feel it that much professional or modern. Its said that website should make the best impression within 3 seconds. (dont ask where I read that ;)) I feel CP administrators should use all the knowledge in codeproject to build a very ultra modern website. I dont remember the name but I happen to visit a website which was so fast and modern and game like settings in it. it was damn good wish I could suggest the name. make it a opensource project. allocate some time for it. ppatel
It aint no beauty contest.
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That's a good list though I think there is a 4th catagory. ;) Pictures of the menu available at the drive-thru
Toasty0 wrote:
That's a good list though I think there is a 4th catagory
You mean: Terry the drive by nutter. Terry doesn't care much about Code Project or any of the two million people that are users of the site. He arrives on the forums with a great gusto determined to shake things up. He suggests wild ideas to which the regulars are opposed. He brazenly insults those around him rather than learn the intracacies of the site or the social network that has built up around it. After a few days of abuse he disappears so that he can irritate some other unsuspecting group somewhere. [Addition] Terry is an edge case, and Alan Cooper's book recommends ignoring edge cases because they bring no business benefit and can actually be counter-productive. [/Addition]
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." --Charles Babbage (1791-1871) My: Website | Blog -- modified at 10:42 Saturday 6th May, 2006
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just check out some sites www.2advanced.com www.thevoid.co.uk www.nike.com www.secondstory.com www.thefwa.com www.cabedge.com www.realityslip.com
Completly useless sites. Utterly, and completly useless. Hard to navigate, and frankly, lousy design on many of them. Functionality is the number one priority. Sure, if you can make it look good too, then fine. You're just being artsy fartsy.
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Having a look at these sites, I think I see where you are at. You have read Alan Cooper's "The Inmates are Running the Asylum" and you only half understood it. So, let me put this in terms on Alan Cooper's "personas": Code Project's user base has three primary personas (that I can see - Chris, et al. would be better placed to describe them, but I'll give it a go) First there is Kevin. Kevin is at university studying for a degree in computer science. He struggles with some of his course work and frequently asks for help in the programming forums. He quickly learned not to post in the Lounge and he's also learned that direct homework questions are met by a barrage of abuse. He actually understands he will learn if he tries to apply himself first, although he still has some way to go before he is able to frame his questions well. He hasn't written any articles, but does make extensive use of them. Then there is Ernie. Ernie is a software developer in his mid-20s who graduated from university about 3 years ago. He knows a fair bit about some technologies but still struggles with the vast area that is software development. He can help out by answering some questions on forums, but spends more time asking them. He has written an article but his lack of knowledge lead to a slighly below average score but he is striving to do better next time. He also likes to hang out in the social areas of the site where he can rant about the linux fanboys on slashdot. Earnie doesn't like the clutter of Slashdot, and is not overly impressed with large amounts of flash animation unless it is a cartoon about the decapitation of badgers, snakes and mushrooms. Finally there is Norm. He's now in his mid-30s and has been developing software professionally for over 15 years. He rarely needs to ask any questions in the programming forums and spends most of his time answering them. He needs an occasional sounding board for rants about his work and the Lounge and Soapbox are perfect for that. He's written at least a half dozen article most with great scores. He is more pragmatic about technologies than Earnie, but still doesn't like the type of zealotry that can be found on Slashdot. When ever he visits a website he wants to find the information he is looking for quickly and without fuss. Lots of flash animation slowing the access to that information is a big turn off.
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers co
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Toasty0 wrote:
That's a good list though I think there is a 4th catagory
You mean: Terry the drive by nutter. Terry doesn't care much about Code Project or any of the two million people that are users of the site. He arrives on the forums with a great gusto determined to shake things up. He suggests wild ideas to which the regulars are opposed. He brazenly insults those around him rather than learn the intracacies of the site or the social network that has built up around it. After a few days of abuse he disappears so that he can irritate some other unsuspecting group somewhere. [Addition] Terry is an edge case, and Alan Cooper's book recommends ignoring edge cases because they bring no business benefit and can actually be counter-productive. [/Addition]
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." --Charles Babbage (1791-1871) My: Website | Blog -- modified at 10:42 Saturday 6th May, 2006
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Hi, SInce codeproject is the no 1 web site for most of the IT people. what do you think of the design of the webpage. Though its more homely and friendly, Sometimes I see many child like images. If any alien comes to earth and he browse for the no 1 IT site on this earth, he wont feel it that much professional or modern. Its said that website should make the best impression within 3 seconds. (dont ask where I read that ;)) I feel CP administrators should use all the knowledge in codeproject to build a very ultra modern website. I dont remember the name but I happen to visit a website which was so fast and modern and game like settings in it. it was damn good wish I could suggest the name. make it a opensource project. allocate some time for it. ppatel
I disagree completely. Ultra modern translates into cold, unusable, unfriendly. What makes CodeProject unique is its friendly, informal design. I suspect that most of the nearly 3 million members who have discovered it before you would agree. "...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
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just check out some sites www.2advanced.com www.thevoid.co.uk www.nike.com www.secondstory.com www.thefwa.com www.cabedge.com www.realityslip.com
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Hi, SInce codeproject is the no 1 web site for most of the IT people. what do you think of the design of the webpage. Though its more homely and friendly, Sometimes I see many child like images. If any alien comes to earth and he browse for the no 1 IT site on this earth, he wont feel it that much professional or modern. Its said that website should make the best impression within 3 seconds. (dont ask where I read that ;)) I feel CP administrators should use all the knowledge in codeproject to build a very ultra modern website. I dont remember the name but I happen to visit a website which was so fast and modern and game like settings in it. it was damn good wish I could suggest the name. make it a opensource project. allocate some time for it. ppatel
This sounds familiar. Many years ago, there was a company that saw gold in the hills of developer sites. They bought out sites in various categories, and gave them a consistent, modern UI. One-stop shopping for all your coding needs, with a slick, professional interface. And the sites died. Oh, they still existed in a sense, but the soul was gone. The little idiosyncrasies that endeared each one to its respective members faded. It was almost as though the new administration put more weight on the rules and design of the site than on the articles and discussions that made the site useful. And this is what CP needs to avoid. There's nothing wrong with a slick, professional interface - but that's all it is. CP will live or die based on how well it serves the people who write articles, the people who answer questions in the forums, the people who show up each day to read new articles or ask new and interesting questions, or chat in The Lounge. It isn't enough for a website like this to make a brilliant first impression - most people who come here are searching for solutions to specific problems, and whether they find that solution here or elsewhere depends on the 30th, or 3000th impression this site makes on the people who come here again and again willing to provide solutions. Lose these good folk, and the best interface in the world won't make a difference.
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Dont butter CP. They wont hire you :laugh: I am totally CP fan. Recently I have joined. Everyone has their own vision of improvement. I want to see CP site in a very modern look. Would you like to see "mission impossible III" ni a very modern look or based in year 1800. ;) just dont bark on me now. just try to understand my point. this is just a suggesion.
ppatel567 wrote:
Recently I have joined.
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Hi, SInce codeproject is the no 1 web site for most of the IT people. what do you think of the design of the webpage. Though its more homely and friendly, Sometimes I see many child like images. If any alien comes to earth and he browse for the no 1 IT site on this earth, he wont feel it that much professional or modern. Its said that website should make the best impression within 3 seconds. (dont ask where I read that ;)) I feel CP administrators should use all the knowledge in codeproject to build a very ultra modern website. I dont remember the name but I happen to visit a website which was so fast and modern and game like settings in it. it was damn good wish I could suggest the name. make it a opensource project. allocate some time for it. ppatel
Look at the number of visitors then think again about speed. Look at the number of :bob:ians and I think the popularity says a lot. The tigress is here :-D
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Hi, SInce codeproject is the no 1 web site for most of the IT people. what do you think of the design of the webpage. Though its more homely and friendly, Sometimes I see many child like images. If any alien comes to earth and he browse for the no 1 IT site on this earth, he wont feel it that much professional or modern. Its said that website should make the best impression within 3 seconds. (dont ask where I read that ;)) I feel CP administrators should use all the knowledge in codeproject to build a very ultra modern website. I dont remember the name but I happen to visit a website which was so fast and modern and game like settings in it. it was damn good wish I could suggest the name. make it a opensource project. allocate some time for it. ppatel
You seem to be confusing glitz with content. Not everything that glitters is gold. And XP's Fisher-Price Toy look frankly sux. I generally turn it off in favor of the nice clean classic look. None of the visuals in XP make it more useable or more efficient (probably the opposite). Few things are more a waste of time and bandwidth than pointless eye candy. We need to graduate from the ridiculous notion that greed is some kind of elixir for capitalism - it's the downfall of capitalism. Self-interest, maybe, but self-interest run amok does not serve anyone. The core value of conscious capitalism is enlightened self-interest. Patricia Aburdene
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Hi, SInce codeproject is the no 1 web site for most of the IT people. what do you think of the design of the webpage. Though its more homely and friendly, Sometimes I see many child like images. If any alien comes to earth and he browse for the no 1 IT site on this earth, he wont feel it that much professional or modern. Its said that website should make the best impression within 3 seconds. (dont ask where I read that ;)) I feel CP administrators should use all the knowledge in codeproject to build a very ultra modern website. I dont remember the name but I happen to visit a website which was so fast and modern and game like settings in it. it was damn good wish I could suggest the name. make it a opensource project. allocate some time for it. ppatel
(1) Even though this ressource is used by many professionals, it is (in part) unprofessional in a very refreshing sense. It's a place to be rather than a place to_w*rk_ (2) What do you consider "Ultramodern"? I prefer a site that works. (3) CP would be the number one site still even if everybody switched to lynx. Why? Because it's content, not the facade. (4) opensource? :shudder:
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Hi, SInce codeproject is the no 1 web site for most of the IT people. what do you think of the design of the webpage. Though its more homely and friendly, Sometimes I see many child like images. If any alien comes to earth and he browse for the no 1 IT site on this earth, he wont feel it that much professional or modern. Its said that website should make the best impression within 3 seconds. (dont ask where I read that ;)) I feel CP administrators should use all the knowledge in codeproject to build a very ultra modern website. I dont remember the name but I happen to visit a website which was so fast and modern and game like settings in it. it was damn good wish I could suggest the name. make it a opensource project. allocate some time for it. ppatel
I guess this post shows some ignorance on your part. 1. Code Project's main goal is to be a meeting ground for software professionals dealing with Microsoft products. Also CP is provided free of charge, and seems to have the most helpful community around. Chris and co has a lot of work on their hands, other than taking on such a frivulous activity. I hope the childish images do not prevent you from contributing. 2. The alien would stay, if he wants a Windows programming query answered. Otherwise, he would have no reason to visit again. When was the last time you visited a site, just because it had good graphics? That is the reason why you cannot remember the name of that ultra-modern site -- you have no reason to visit it. 3. The site is already modern in technology. If you mean style, then I don't suppose that is what CP specializes in. Maybe, you have some concrete suggestions for an alternative layout. Maybe, you can make a sample layout etc., and say how about this, instead of listing a few sites that does not address a similar market. Next thing, you might call up Google, and show them the Disney website . . . but then, they don't have a forum. Also, CP has a market value, and that belongs to the people who built it, and nurtured it. So, I think it is not reasonable to ask it to be made open source. Maybe, someone else will make an opensource forum, and then you can contribute to it. Thomas
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Um. I think you'll find you are in a minority with your view.
ppatel567 wrote:
I feel CP administrators should use all the knowledge in codeproject to build a very ultra modern website.
Well in my opinion, they've already succeeded. CP is the best web-site that I use, whilst there are some known problems such as searching. Everything else is easy to find and within easy reach.
ppatel567 wrote:
Though its more homely and friendly, Sometimes I see many child like images.
And that is what gives CP it's character. It has heart and soul. Where you see child-like, I see a site where a lot of love and attention has been put in to make CP a welcoming place, where you know the CP team is doing this because they love it, not because it is a job. Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
Michael P Butler wrote:
Where you see child-like, I see a site where a lot of love and attention has been put in to make CP a welcoming place, where you know the CP team is doing this because they love it, not because it is a job.
To be fair, you can't really assume that just because you see a picture of a green alien. Jeremy Falcon
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I disagree completely. Ultra modern translates into cold, unusable, unfriendly. What makes CodeProject unique is its friendly, informal design. I suspect that most of the nearly 3 million members who have discovered it before you would agree. "...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
Roger Wright wrote:
Ultra modern translates into cold, unusable, unfriendly.
No it doesn't, but I don't expect CPians to be unbiased. Jeremy Falcon
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This sounds familiar. Many years ago, there was a company that saw gold in the hills of developer sites. They bought out sites in various categories, and gave them a consistent, modern UI. One-stop shopping for all your coding needs, with a slick, professional interface. And the sites died. Oh, they still existed in a sense, but the soul was gone. The little idiosyncrasies that endeared each one to its respective members faded. It was almost as though the new administration put more weight on the rules and design of the site than on the articles and discussions that made the site useful. And this is what CP needs to avoid. There's nothing wrong with a slick, professional interface - but that's all it is. CP will live or die based on how well it serves the people who write articles, the people who answer questions in the forums, the people who show up each day to read new articles or ask new and interesting questions, or chat in The Lounge. It isn't enough for a website like this to make a brilliant first impression - most people who come here are searching for solutions to specific problems, and whether they find that solution here or elsewhere depends on the 30th, or 3000th impression this site makes on the people who come here again and again willing to provide solutions. Lose these good folk, and the best interface in the world won't make a difference.
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Shog9 wrote:
One-stop shopping for all your coding needs, with a slick, professional interface.
If you're talking about CodeGuru, it was nothing close to that - ever. Jeremy Falcon
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I guess this post shows some ignorance on your part. 1. Code Project's main goal is to be a meeting ground for software professionals dealing with Microsoft products. Also CP is provided free of charge, and seems to have the most helpful community around. Chris and co has a lot of work on their hands, other than taking on such a frivulous activity. I hope the childish images do not prevent you from contributing. 2. The alien would stay, if he wants a Windows programming query answered. Otherwise, he would have no reason to visit again. When was the last time you visited a site, just because it had good graphics? That is the reason why you cannot remember the name of that ultra-modern site -- you have no reason to visit it. 3. The site is already modern in technology. If you mean style, then I don't suppose that is what CP specializes in. Maybe, you have some concrete suggestions for an alternative layout. Maybe, you can make a sample layout etc., and say how about this, instead of listing a few sites that does not address a similar market. Next thing, you might call up Google, and show them the Disney website . . . but then, they don't have a forum. Also, CP has a market value, and that belongs to the people who built it, and nurtured it. So, I think it is not reasonable to ask it to be made open source. Maybe, someone else will make an opensource forum, and then you can contribute to it. Thomas
Thomas George wrote:
Chris and co has a lot of work on their hands, other than taking on such a frivulous activity.
And creating Bob wasn't frivolous? I like Bob, but really, when will people stop being so damned one-sided.
Thomas George wrote:
The site is already modern in technology.
Not really. The ASP rewite has been in the works for years. Oh sure, we all make excuses for it, be we all know it's long overdue. Shog and crew will keep on using the same excuse for the next 10 years. Jeremy Falcon
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Hi, SInce codeproject is the no 1 web site for most of the IT people. what do you think of the design of the webpage. Though its more homely and friendly, Sometimes I see many child like images. If any alien comes to earth and he browse for the no 1 IT site on this earth, he wont feel it that much professional or modern. Its said that website should make the best impression within 3 seconds. (dont ask where I read that ;)) I feel CP administrators should use all the knowledge in codeproject to build a very ultra modern website. I dont remember the name but I happen to visit a website which was so fast and modern and game like settings in it. it was damn good wish I could suggest the name. make it a opensource project. allocate some time for it. ppatel
Well, this is probably one the more unbiased posts you're gonna get here. CP is a wonderful site. I spend way too much time here already. By and large, it's one my favorite sites, but yeah it has its issues. The problem isn't the issues though; the problem is everyone here wants to pretend CP is perfect because it's their holy grail. So, don't expect many people here to be nice if you say anything negative about it - whether or not it's true. They consider the admins infallible gods that cannot go wrong (not dissin' ya Chris). Also, you can't please everyone. If Chris chose a modern look, then someone else would hate that and prefer this. You just can't win all the times. Maybe Chris prefers this style - who knows. But the fact of the matter is, CP is still a great site no matter what. Now, if you have talent in the field, then talk to the admins about it. If you're venting, that's cool too, just don't expect anyone to be nice to you about it here. You may as well be insulting the Bible as for as they're concerned. But, if you don't use CP just because it doesn't look modern, then you're missing out on one of the best resources on the Internet. Jeremy Falcon
