Do you believe the existence of Aliens in other planets?
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ihoecken wrote:
Who can see 14 billion years distance?
We can see light that has traveled for 14 billion years. It comes from a point further then 14 billion light years away from us because the universe has expanded since it was emitted. I don't have the current estimates for the actual distance so I glossed over it, while still trying to be technically correct.
ihoecken wrote:
You can't even "see" any planet outside our solarsystem directly, you can just see "shadows" and interference of light.
You can't see any yet. But we can see galaxies, quasars and the background radiation.
ihoecken wrote:
There might be a civilization on Jupiter and we just don't know (hey - just an example, I don't believe this).
Who knows about one of it's moons?
ihoecken wrote:
There might be hundreds of million planets with life on it and we don't know it and perhaps we'll never know it...
I suspect there are, and I hope we do.
ihoecken wrote:
Well, when you look on the priciples you can see the godlike spark.
Um, where? Imagining the creator that came up with Quantum Mechanics scares the crap out of me. My post didn't really have to deal with the points you bring up, just trying to give a discription of why I think the Anthropic principle is pointless and borders on intellegent design. You can't ever rule it out, and it isn't an excuse to stop looking for better answers. All it does is scratch the 120 decimal place cancelation itch that dominates cosmology and particle physics right now.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
Andy Brummer wrote:
Imagining the creator that came up with Quantum Mechanics scares the crap out of me.
Schrödinger's Cat??[^] well... "He" does seem to have a cruel sense of humor.... :rolleyes: _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Andy Brummer wrote:
Imagining the creator that came up with Quantum Mechanics scares the crap out of me.
Schrödinger's Cat??[^] well... "He" does seem to have a cruel sense of humor.... :rolleyes: _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
One recent description I heard is that if you took 1,000 philosophers and gave then 1,000 years to come up with the most bizzare absurd ideas they still wouldn't come up with something as bizzare as Quantum Mechanics.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
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i think we are just frogs in the well there are lots out there... --- My Unedited article^
Quartz... wrote:
i think we are just frogs in the well
I thought it was bricks in the wall. Oh well. Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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Stephen Hewitt wrote:
universe is infinite
Stephen, if you believe everything has an "other side" then you have no other choice other than to believe it's infinite. you say upto this is our universe. And hence it'd be immediately followed by "what's on the other side??".. and like this even the question goes infinite. The possible ambiguity may be like "If the universe keeps expanding?, moving?..ect" but when you talk about universe we certainly get confused about the "superset".. where is the universe is a simple question to narrate it. Universe has been the final word to mean the vastness, if Some other word is there, the same can be replaced with "universe" and the argument can be carried on with in the same fashion. :-D.. But I may be totally wrong too stephen hawkins Hewitt. ;)
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Just because something has sides doesn't been it's infinite: the room I'm in has 6 sides but is reassuringly finite. You seem to believe that the word "universe" is simply a synonym for "everything": again I'm no Hawking, but the fact that scientists talk of alternate universes suggests that they don't share this definition. Steve
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ihoecken wrote:
I will always be there to bring hope to humans, whenever they are in trouble. I will always be there as the promise of Hope!
ahhh... vain hope... the unfulfilled "promise" of hope. ;) it's always open to interpretation. ;P _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) -- modified at 20:10 Monday 8th May, 2006
Indeed 'all' things are open to interpretation, but it's very much a case of knowing which bias is the 'best' bias! On to the subject of Aliens, for those of you who are interested in exploring the question of 'whether aliens exist?' may want to check out a highly recommended book by Dr. Gary Bates titled 'Alien Intrusion'. I believe it was the best seller on Amazon.com for a few weeks when it was first released (2004).:-O Paul Mu
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I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there. If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them? What kind of cars do they drive, do they also have computers and internet too? What do they look like, do they look like us? Are they smarter than us? Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
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Yes I do believe there are life forms outside the solar system, and some of them possibly intelligent (in our view of it anyway). I don't believe a god created the earth or the universe. Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!If God did not created all this, then why do we see things as good and bad acts. lets involve in robbery and be rich. lets have too much sex and just fulfil our desires. Lets attack neighbouring nation to have their land. lets kill our collegeue , he is such a nuisance. lets do anything. WHy to restrict our minds and just restrain ourselves. See people like gangsters, smugglers have too much money :laugh: pathak -- modified at 0:54 Tuesday 9th May, 2006
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fat_boy wrote:
If we f*** up, he gets a D in his end of term exam.
"if" ??? _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
D's all round!! If there is other "intelligent" life out there, I don't really want to know, because I think the people pf planet earth have enough trouble getting along with one another, throwing another planet full of people into the mix will not do us any good at all. If they are "intelligent" they are probably using thier intelligence to steer well away from us!!
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ihoecken wrote:
I will always be there to bring hope to humans, whenever they are in trouble. I will always be there as the promise of Hope!
ahhh... vain hope... the unfulfilled "promise" of hope. ;) it's always open to interpretation. ;P _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) -- modified at 20:10 Monday 8th May, 2006
The world is so great. I hope to see the Aliens in other planets . Aborz
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D's all round!! If there is other "intelligent" life out there, I don't really want to know, because I think the people pf planet earth have enough trouble getting along with one another, throwing another planet full of people into the mix will not do us any good at all. If they are "intelligent" they are probably using thier intelligence to steer well away from us!!
HantsDirect wrote:
If they are "intelligent" they are probably using thier intelligence to steer well away from us!!
Danger... Do not approach signs well outside the orbit of Pluto would be appropriate. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Agreed that there are a lot of heavenly bodies in space, but have u considered the complex nature of life. Even the most minute organism is too complex to be formed al by itselt. The probability is very low.
Have you considered the vastness of the universe? It's large enough to accomodate the low probablity. Milo
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I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there. If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them? What kind of cars do they drive, do they also have computers and internet too? What do they look like, do they look like us? Are they smarter than us? Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
Link2006 wrote:
Are they smarter than us?
There is definite evidence for this being true, because they have Never made contact with us.
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I mean just look at the sky, how many stars are there! There gotta be some other civilizations exist out there. If they do exist, who created them? Did the GOD who created the Earth also created them? What kind of cars do they drive, do they also have computers and internet too? What do they look like, do they look like us? Are they smarter than us? Think about it, it's kind of interesting.
Well, it appears that we are discovering that planets are the norm around stars and not the exception. Also, we have discovered a LOT of carbon and water out there in the interstellar dust clouds... My bet is yeah, there are aliens and alien civilizations however, contact with them is another issue. For instance, how do you get around Einstein? Oh, and for you wormhole guys where are you going to get a power source equal to a black hole to open it? Maybe civilizations only transmit radio for a century or two, then everything goes to cable, fiber or whatever. Maybe they don't communicate in any way that we understand at all... There is one thing for sure though, If they have any sense at all they will stay away from us. Regards, John McPherson "Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clark, inventor of the telecommunications satellite
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Well, it appears that we are discovering that planets are the norm around stars and not the exception. Also, we have discovered a LOT of carbon and water out there in the interstellar dust clouds... My bet is yeah, there are aliens and alien civilizations however, contact with them is another issue. For instance, how do you get around Einstein? Oh, and for you wormhole guys where are you going to get a power source equal to a black hole to open it? Maybe civilizations only transmit radio for a century or two, then everything goes to cable, fiber or whatever. Maybe they don't communicate in any way that we understand at all... There is one thing for sure though, If they have any sense at all they will stay away from us. Regards, John McPherson "Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clark, inventor of the telecommunications satellite