Compiler like effect.
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Hi, I want my MFC application to have own programming language. I dont want to get into too deep. For that I am thinking of .. 1. user will write his own code in a text file with specific extension. a.rto ----- #GetTextsInView(); #GetColorOfView(); #end 2. I can provide one executable (like compiler) with my application which I will run on command prompt. Leya_compile.exe a.rto 3. this exe file will read a.rto and create a binary file "a.run" and store the function name strings in it. 4. now in my mfc application user will select a.run from a file dialog. and it will read this binary file. (I want to keep function name strings with same length.) . When GetTextsInView string is read then in Doc's correspondind function will give all the texts in a list box or in some other format. When GetColorOfView is read it will show dialog with the color no. 5. So user may think like this application has its own programming language. 6. In a.rto these functions can be writtem in any order. but in mfc when read a.run the mfc should give the results in that order only. (procedural approach). What do you think of this. Do you have any other suggestion. Since this just wanted some suggestion it not the problem I directly faced so I thought of posting it here in lounge. Leya -- modified at 0:56 Tuesday 16th May, 2006
Dont pay to much attention to people who tell you its too hard. Even if you fail you will learn a lot. Have a look at two programs called Lex and Yakk. http://dinosaur.compilertools.net/ Objects in mirror are closer than they appear
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:laugh: You're evil. I like that in a person.:-D "...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
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You had two 1.0 votes on your post. I disagree with voting you a 1 for this. Do I think you have a lot of ground to cover? Yes, you have a few mountains to climb. Do I think you can do that? Only you know. Good luck though. If I had a link to it I'd give you the link to "The Dragon" book on compilers. It's *thee* book. Someone else who took compilers will see my post and provide a link. The dragon book is so well known I bet you could google for "The Dragon Book Compilers" and you would get teh right results. I gave you a pull up 5 because I think wanting to learn is great. - Rex
If we all used the Plain English compiler every post in the lounge would be a programming question.:cool:
Welcome to CP in your language. Post the unicode version in My CP Blog [ ^ ] now.People who don't understand how awesome Firefox is have never used CPhog. The act of using CPhog alone doesn't make Firefox cool. It opens your eyes to the possibilities and then you start looking for other things like CPhog and your eyes are suddenly open to all sorts of useful things all through Firefox. - (Self Quote)
code-frog wrote:
Do I think you have a lot of ground to cover? Yes, you have a few mountains to climb. Do I think you can do that?
Great! If he was attempting to run a marathon or climb Mt Everest he'd be all set. X| Not long ago either here (Lounge) or the Soapbox we had some threads discussing the lack of "Quality" in software. When I was in school they called it "Computer Science". The courses and professors espoused the ideal that quality was significantly enhanced through scientific analysis, critical thinking and logic. I believed them then and have seen nothing to contradict that philosophy in my years in the industry. my 2 cents
"What classes are you using ? You shouldn't call stuff if you have no idea what it does"
Christian Graus in the C# forumled mike
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Hi, I want my MFC application to have own programming language. I dont want to get into too deep. For that I am thinking of .. 1. user will write his own code in a text file with specific extension. a.rto ----- #GetTextsInView(); #GetColorOfView(); #end 2. I can provide one executable (like compiler) with my application which I will run on command prompt. Leya_compile.exe a.rto 3. this exe file will read a.rto and create a binary file "a.run" and store the function name strings in it. 4. now in my mfc application user will select a.run from a file dialog. and it will read this binary file. (I want to keep function name strings with same length.) . When GetTextsInView string is read then in Doc's correspondind function will give all the texts in a list box or in some other format. When GetColorOfView is read it will show dialog with the color no. 5. So user may think like this application has its own programming language. 6. In a.rto these functions can be writtem in any order. but in mfc when read a.run the mfc should give the results in that order only. (procedural approach). What do you think of this. Do you have any other suggestion. Since this just wanted some suggestion it not the problem I directly faced so I thought of posting it here in lounge. Leya -- modified at 0:56 Tuesday 16th May, 2006
You could use the Windows Script Interfaces[^] to add support for VBScript or JScript to your application. Steve
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code-frog wrote:
Do I think you have a lot of ground to cover? Yes, you have a few mountains to climb. Do I think you can do that?
Great! If he was attempting to run a marathon or climb Mt Everest he'd be all set. X| Not long ago either here (Lounge) or the Soapbox we had some threads discussing the lack of "Quality" in software. When I was in school they called it "Computer Science". The courses and professors espoused the ideal that quality was significantly enhanced through scientific analysis, critical thinking and logic. I believed them then and have seen nothing to contradict that philosophy in my years in the industry. my 2 cents
"What classes are you using ? You shouldn't call stuff if you have no idea what it does"
Christian Graus in the C# forumled mike
The fact I agree with you and the fact you are right have no real value to this conversation. He's not going to stop just because of you expressing this and I doubt anyone else would either. You have no idea if he's in school or not for computer science or if he plans on enrolling soon. It's still called computer science and for a reason. He's not going to understand compilers just by reading a book. He might if he's incredibly gifted but I doubt it. What that book might do is convince him he's out of his element and cause him to rethink his approach. Anyway, not sure if your comments were at me or him. If they were at me. Save your breath. I understand your point. If they were at him save your breath he'll discover it on his own. I would say though that there are some extremely talented developers I've worked with that are self-taught and making more than their PHD holding peers in the same company. I've known some totaly idiot developers with masters degrees that couldn't write simple search/sort algorithms without assistance. A college degree is just a piece of paper. People are still what make all the difference. Some people have the gift and others don't pedigrees matter very little in this regard.
If we all used the Plain English compiler every post in the lounge would be a programming question.:cool:
Welcome to CP in your language. Post the unicode version in My CP Blog [ ^ ] now.People who don't understand how awesome Firefox is have never used CPhog. The act of using CPhog alone doesn't make Firefox cool. It opens your eyes to the possibilities and then you start looking for other things like CPhog and your eyes are suddenly open to all sorts of useful things all through Firefox. - (Self Quote)
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Hi, I want my MFC application to have own programming language. I dont want to get into too deep. For that I am thinking of .. 1. user will write his own code in a text file with specific extension. a.rto ----- #GetTextsInView(); #GetColorOfView(); #end 2. I can provide one executable (like compiler) with my application which I will run on command prompt. Leya_compile.exe a.rto 3. this exe file will read a.rto and create a binary file "a.run" and store the function name strings in it. 4. now in my mfc application user will select a.run from a file dialog. and it will read this binary file. (I want to keep function name strings with same length.) . When GetTextsInView string is read then in Doc's correspondind function will give all the texts in a list box or in some other format. When GetColorOfView is read it will show dialog with the color no. 5. So user may think like this application has its own programming language. 6. In a.rto these functions can be writtem in any order. but in mfc when read a.run the mfc should give the results in that order only. (procedural approach). What do you think of this. Do you have any other suggestion. Since this just wanted some suggestion it not the problem I directly faced so I thought of posting it here in lounge. Leya -- modified at 0:56 Tuesday 16th May, 2006
I suspect that you're biting off way more than you can chew here. I wrote an assembler 30 years ago, and that was lots easier than a compiler. But it still took all of my skill and a huge number of manhours to do. Compilers have to do many things that assemblers don't, and simply displaying the names of functions doesn't come close. How are you going to interpret the functions your users create in the a.rto file? Will you attempt to guess what they intend them to do and provide MFC equivalents? Or do you just plan to display what they entered and leave it at that? If you'd like to implement a user-definable language, take a look at the ancient and venerable language, FORTH. It was the first extensible language that allowed users to implement their own keywords and add them to the language syntax. Great tool, and it confused the heck out of programmers at the time.:laugh: "...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
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The fact I agree with you and the fact you are right have no real value to this conversation. He's not going to stop just because of you expressing this and I doubt anyone else would either. You have no idea if he's in school or not for computer science or if he plans on enrolling soon. It's still called computer science and for a reason. He's not going to understand compilers just by reading a book. He might if he's incredibly gifted but I doubt it. What that book might do is convince him he's out of his element and cause him to rethink his approach. Anyway, not sure if your comments were at me or him. If they were at me. Save your breath. I understand your point. If they were at him save your breath he'll discover it on his own. I would say though that there are some extremely talented developers I've worked with that are self-taught and making more than their PHD holding peers in the same company. I've known some totaly idiot developers with masters degrees that couldn't write simple search/sort algorithms without assistance. A college degree is just a piece of paper. People are still what make all the difference. Some people have the gift and others don't pedigrees matter very little in this regard.
If we all used the Plain English compiler every post in the lounge would be a programming question.:cool:
Welcome to CP in your language. Post the unicode version in My CP Blog [ ^ ] now.People who don't understand how awesome Firefox is have never used CPhog. The act of using CPhog alone doesn't make Firefox cool. It opens your eyes to the possibilities and then you start looking for other things like CPhog and your eyes are suddenly open to all sorts of useful things all through Firefox. - (Self Quote)
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Thanks for the post. I agree completely. Notice my post makes no mention of degrees. That was not at all the point.
"What classes are you using ? You shouldn't call stuff if you have no idea what it does"
Christian Graus in the C# forumled mike
So in other words. We both missed each others point and still agree with each others comments. That's actually pretty darned funny.:laugh: It also exposes my tendency to over-engineer just about anything. You only need a nail remover. Just wait... I'll burn down four houses, permanently disfigure my thumb and piss off 100 neighbors. I'll deliver your nail remover... You'll look at it and say this does indeed remove nails. Wow it melts them to nothing... It's great but can you hand me that uh... curved metal bar over in my toolbox. The one with the forked end? Yeah, that's all I needed. But uh thanks for this other thing. It's neat. :laugh:
If we all used the Plain English compiler every post in the lounge would be a programming question.:cool:
Welcome to CP in your language. Post the unicode version in My CP Blog [ ^ ] now.People who don't understand how awesome Firefox is have never used CPhog. The act of using CPhog alone doesn't make Firefox cool. It opens your eyes to the possibilities and then you start looking for other things like CPhog and your eyes are suddenly open to all sorts of useful things all through Firefox. - (Self Quote)
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Its Ok, I know I am still on A, B, C level of programming. But I am trying to become a good one . I dont have any formal software training or such just a self learner. But I have good ideas. May be stupid on your level but those might improve if I get into right direction Atleat you guys can guide me on how I may become one.. Any good books of software engineering.. how may my approach should be . Some basic software engineering things I must have to know? Thank you. Leya
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Osmo!!! Your back and touting your crap again!! Yay!!! Current blacklist svmilky - Extremely rude | FeRtoll - Rude personal emails | ironstrike1 - Rude & Obnoxious behaviour
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Hi, I want my MFC application to have own programming language. I dont want to get into too deep. For that I am thinking of .. 1. user will write his own code in a text file with specific extension. a.rto ----- #GetTextsInView(); #GetColorOfView(); #end 2. I can provide one executable (like compiler) with my application which I will run on command prompt. Leya_compile.exe a.rto 3. this exe file will read a.rto and create a binary file "a.run" and store the function name strings in it. 4. now in my mfc application user will select a.run from a file dialog. and it will read this binary file. (I want to keep function name strings with same length.) . When GetTextsInView string is read then in Doc's correspondind function will give all the texts in a list box or in some other format. When GetColorOfView is read it will show dialog with the color no. 5. So user may think like this application has its own programming language. 6. In a.rto these functions can be writtem in any order. but in mfc when read a.run the mfc should give the results in that order only. (procedural approach). What do you think of this. Do you have any other suggestion. Since this just wanted some suggestion it not the problem I directly faced so I thought of posting it here in lounge. Leya -- modified at 0:56 Tuesday 16th May, 2006
A lot of people here are trying to discourage you from your project. A few are trying to encourage you. I am of the encouraging kind. I was 16, the year was 1980, when I wrote an interpreter for a self-invented High-level version of BASIC. (It added nested multiline IFs and LOOPs, multiline Functions, and long variable names) I had read no compiler books at all, at that time. Two years later I wrote an assembler, for my dad, because he needed one. I did that in my spare time while sill in high school. So what you need is focus, and a lot of work. Make your language VERY small and simple. Also make sure that you carefully specify your language, then stick to that specification. Good Luck Adam :) _____________________________________ Action without thought is not action Action without emotion is not life
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Osmo!!! Your back and touting your crap again!! Yay!!! Current blacklist svmilky - Extremely rude | FeRtoll - Rude personal emails | ironstrike1 - Rude & Obnoxious behaviour
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I think he's winding you up. ;P Actually I agree with you - writing compilers isn't hard (I dabbled in the subject myself long ago), but writing something complete, efficient, useable and maintainable - and providing the requisite support - requires resources and attention to detail well beyond the means of a single developer. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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I think he's winding you up. ;P Actually I agree with you - writing compilers isn't hard (I dabbled in the subject myself long ago), but writing something complete, efficient, useable and maintainable - and providing the requisite support - requires resources and attention to detail well beyond the means of a single developer. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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- Every post you have ever made on this, or any other programming forum, has been to tout your product. Every post about your product which is not made by you is made by a "plant". I can find no real evidence of actual programmers using or evaluating your product. 2) I see no actual paid advertisements, technical peer-review or any other solid means of evaluating your product 3) The rubbish on your (excuse for a) website is laughable. (What our customers could be saying) 4) You insult real programmers at every given opportunity. I will find tonnes of examples if you need me to. 5) Plain Spanish, Plain Italian, Plain Catalan, Plain Klingon.... hoooo boy, you're just trying to enter a world of hurt! This is by far the wort idea I have ever read...and then some Having said that, and believe me there is more, the help you gave on this occasion was actually pretty good. It only contained a smidgeon of your usual tout-i-ness. You actually provided some useful information (for a change). Current blacklist svmilky - Extremely rude | FeRtoll - Rude personal emails | ironstrike1 - Rude & Obnoxious behaviour
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There's two examples right there! Current blacklist svmilky - Extremely rude | FeRtoll - Rude personal emails | ironstrike1 - Rude & Obnoxious behaviour
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I think he's winding you up. ;P Actually I agree with you - writing compilers isn't hard (I dabbled in the subject myself long ago), but writing something complete, efficient, useable and maintainable - and providing the requisite support - requires resources and attention to detail well beyond the means of a single developer. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
I think he's winding you up.
No, no I wasnt. Osmosian was ridiculed off of forums like this and its a shame he has returned! Do a google search on the name and look through some forum posts. Current blacklist svmilky - Extremely rude | FeRtoll - Rude personal emails | ironstrike1 - Rude & Obnoxious behaviour