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    Paul Conrad
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    Today's Dilbert[^] Does anyone have this type of issue when dealing with employers and ideas that you come up with on your own time? Paul

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      Today's Dilbert[^] Does anyone have this type of issue when dealing with employers and ideas that you come up with on your own time? Paul

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      Marc Clifton
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      computerguru92382 wrote:

      Does anyone have this type of issue when dealing with employers and ideas that you come up with on your own time?

      As an employee, I've almost always had to sign a contract stating that anything I create, on or off work, was owned by the company. One of the reasons I'm a contractor. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson

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        computerguru92382 wrote:

        Does anyone have this type of issue when dealing with employers and ideas that you come up with on your own time?

        As an employee, I've almost always had to sign a contract stating that anything I create, on or off work, was owned by the company. One of the reasons I'm a contractor. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson

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        Paul Conrad
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        Marc Clifton wrote:

        As an employee, I've almost always had to sign a contract stating that anything I create, on or off work, was owned by the company.

        Too bad you couldn't bill the company for 168 hours per week then, but then again, they play the salary game too :sigh:

        Marc Clifton wrote:

        One of the reasons I'm a contractor.

        :cool:

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          computerguru92382 wrote:

          Does anyone have this type of issue when dealing with employers and ideas that you come up with on your own time?

          As an employee, I've almost always had to sign a contract stating that anything I create, on or off work, was owned by the company. One of the reasons I'm a contractor. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson

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          Mircea Grelus
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          Marc Clifton wrote:

          on or off work

          ?? Do yhou mean the company prohibited you to have contract works, or develop something on your own while you were working for them? Is that a regular practice in US? regards, Mircea Many people spend their life going to sleep when they’re not sleepy and waking up while they still are.

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            Marc Clifton wrote:

            on or off work

            ?? Do yhou mean the company prohibited you to have contract works, or develop something on your own while you were working for them? Is that a regular practice in US? regards, Mircea Many people spend their life going to sleep when they’re not sleepy and waking up while they still are.

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            Mircea Grelus wrote:

            Do yhou mean the company prohibited you to have contract works, or develop something on your own while you were working for them?

            Both.

            Mircea Grelus wrote:

            Is that a regular practice in US?

            I seem to recall someone saying a while back that it's not common nowadays, but I've never worked for an employee where I didn't have to sign an inventions and non-competition agreement. The "all your inventions are owned by us" pretty much makes it impossible to work as a contractor for anyone else, I would think. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson

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              Marc Clifton wrote:

              on or off work

              ?? Do yhou mean the company prohibited you to have contract works, or develop something on your own while you were working for them? Is that a regular practice in US? regards, Mircea Many people spend their life going to sleep when they’re not sleepy and waking up while they still are.

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              leppie
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              I think its related work only, else its real daft ;P**

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                Marc Clifton wrote:

                on or off work

                ?? Do yhou mean the company prohibited you to have contract works, or develop something on your own while you were working for them? Is that a regular practice in US? regards, Mircea Many people spend their life going to sleep when they’re not sleepy and waking up while they still are.

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                Mircea Grelus wrote:

                evelop something on your own while you were working for them? Is that a regular practice in US?

                This is the question I had when I posted the original message. When I was an undergraduate some years ago, we had to take an Ethics course for the B.S./B.A. in Computer Science, this question was asked and a large percentage of students did not agree with the company owning any ideas or products one developed on their OWN time. I am wondering if this is regular practice or not. If it is regular practice, then I may stay as a contracted consultant and try to drum up more work :) Paul

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                  I think its related work only, else its real daft ;P**

                  How xacc.ide transforms text to colored words on the screen
                  Intel PentuimM (aka Centrino) undervolting

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                  Mircea Grelus
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                  Related work would make sense, but it's still relative. I mean if they really want your head they would imply something like derivative work and so forth. regards, Mircea Many people spend their life going to sleep when they’re not sleepy and waking up while they still are.

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                    Mircea Grelus wrote:

                    evelop something on your own while you were working for them? Is that a regular practice in US?

                    This is the question I had when I posted the original message. When I was an undergraduate some years ago, we had to take an Ethics course for the B.S./B.A. in Computer Science, this question was asked and a large percentage of students did not agree with the company owning any ideas or products one developed on their OWN time. I am wondering if this is regular practice or not. If it is regular practice, then I may stay as a contracted consultant and try to drum up more work :) Paul

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                    It is mostly state courts that decide these cases. They do tend to vary for example California is noted for not being receptive of non-compete suits. I believe there is case history where judges ruled that agreements were "overbroad". Other cases where the plaintiff charged misappropriation of "trade secrets" have been denied citing that the plaintiff failed to specifically identify the misappropriation of the trade secrets. Overall it does seem the courts require fairly strict requirements for non-compete complaints.

                    "What classes are you using ? You shouldn't call stuff if you have no idea what it does"
                    Christian Graus in the C# forum

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                      computerguru92382 wrote:

                      Does anyone have this type of issue when dealing with employers and ideas that you come up with on your own time?

                      As an employee, I've almost always had to sign a contract stating that anything I create, on or off work, was owned by the company. One of the reasons I'm a contractor. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson

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                      El Corazon
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                      Marc Clifton wrote:

                      As an employee, I've almost always had to sign a contract stating that anything I create, on or off work, was owned by the company.

                      That is a standard for DoD too. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) -- modified at 17:22 Monday 22nd May, 2006

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