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  • J JWood

    You might have heard in the 'States about the protests on the House Bill. In response the Senate wrote a bill that increase the number of high tech workers H-1B Visas from 65,000 to 115,000 along with all the other legislation. Senate immigration bill raises H-1B limit[^] The IEEE was not too happy IEEE-USA President Ralph W. Wyndrum, Jr. said: "We don't understand why the Senate wants to expand a program that numerous government reports have found leaves U.S and foreign workers open to exploitation. Fraud, abuse and misuse of the visas is rampant. The program should be fixed before it is expanded."

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    The question is why? The tigress is here :-D

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      Cool, so our own government screws us coming AND going. ;P Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson

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      JWood
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      I'm guessing "going" is outsourcing?

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        The question is why? The tigress is here :-D

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        JWood
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        Cheap workers I think. Bill Gates likes this legislation and we all know he long ago lost touch with the average worker and is now a corporate type. I don't think the "jobs that Americans won't do" argument flies on this one, either :).

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          I'm guessing "going" is outsourcing?

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          Marc Clifton
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          JWood wrote:

          I'm guessing "going" is outsourcing?

          :-D Yes. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson

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            The question is why? The tigress is here :-D

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            Marc Clifton
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            Trollslayer wrote:

            The question is why?

            Well, my friend had a dickens of a time getting all the ducks in a row for his fiancee to continue working at her job here in the states, because they had run out of visas for the year. Or something like that. A lawyer, $10000 (at least), and a year later, it was all settled. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson

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            • J JWood

              You might have heard in the 'States about the protests on the House Bill. In response the Senate wrote a bill that increase the number of high tech workers H-1B Visas from 65,000 to 115,000 along with all the other legislation. Senate immigration bill raises H-1B limit[^] The IEEE was not too happy IEEE-USA President Ralph W. Wyndrum, Jr. said: "We don't understand why the Senate wants to expand a program that numerous government reports have found leaves U.S and foreign workers open to exploitation. Fraud, abuse and misuse of the visas is rampant. The program should be fixed before it is expanded."

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              Nish Nishant
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              JWood wrote:

              IEEE-USA President Ralph W. Wyndrum, Jr. said: "We don't understand why the Senate wants to expand a program that numerous government reports have found leaves U.S and foreign workers open to exploitation. Fraud, abuse and misuse of the visas is rampant. The program should be fixed before it is expanded."

              Actually, the "foreign worker gets exploited" argument may be a little exaggerated. Most Indian friends I have, who are on H1Bs in the US, make well above 75K USD which may not be a super salary, but is not exploitation either. The lowest paid are people who are working on client-sites from companies like Infosys, Satyam etc. and even they have a minimum pay of 60K USD - they had to do that to avoid attrition. Because the H1B quota is limited, candidates have extra power to negotiate with their companies (Indian). A friend of mine got a hike out of his company by threatening to transfer his H1B to a consulting firm that promised him a higher pay. His parent company (Satyam) had to agree because they couldn't file an H1B for another candidate (with the required skills and project experience) till the quota reopened. Regards, Nish


              Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
              Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications.

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                The question is why? The tigress is here :-D

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                Zac Howland
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                Trollslayer wrote:

                The question is why?

                Most likely to attach it to a bill they don't like in hopes of getting it rejected. Sadly, this is how many laws in our federal government go from being rediculous thoughts to enforcible legislation. If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac

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                  You might have heard in the 'States about the protests on the House Bill. In response the Senate wrote a bill that increase the number of high tech workers H-1B Visas from 65,000 to 115,000 along with all the other legislation. Senate immigration bill raises H-1B limit[^] The IEEE was not too happy IEEE-USA President Ralph W. Wyndrum, Jr. said: "We don't understand why the Senate wants to expand a program that numerous government reports have found leaves U.S and foreign workers open to exploitation. Fraud, abuse and misuse of the visas is rampant. The program should be fixed before it is expanded."

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                  When I moved from Canada to the USA, it was on a Trade Nafta visa. To start the permanent resident action, I had to switch first to and H1B visa. My employeers had to show that they had advertised for the position I held; since I was working for a consulting firm, the client also showed that they had been looking for someone to fill the position. In two years, I was the only applicant - period. There are some jobs, spefically 'older technology', that many people don't want to work with. There was someone in our office who quit and took a new job a year ago because she said, 'I don't want to work with that old stuff'. The program may be abused at times, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work at other times as well.

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                  • J JWood

                    You might have heard in the 'States about the protests on the House Bill. In response the Senate wrote a bill that increase the number of high tech workers H-1B Visas from 65,000 to 115,000 along with all the other legislation. Senate immigration bill raises H-1B limit[^] The IEEE was not too happy IEEE-USA President Ralph W. Wyndrum, Jr. said: "We don't understand why the Senate wants to expand a program that numerous government reports have found leaves U.S and foreign workers open to exploitation. Fraud, abuse and misuse of the visas is rampant. The program should be fixed before it is expanded."

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                    This bill will have to debated in House and fight with a similar yet different House bill. Comprehensive Immigration Reform (CIR) mainly focuses on 11+ million illegals and several backlogs (at different stages) of 350K to up a million legal immigrants. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this; -- modified at 16:06 Wednesday 31st May, 2006

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                      When I moved from Canada to the USA, it was on a Trade Nafta visa. To start the permanent resident action, I had to switch first to and H1B visa. My employeers had to show that they had advertised for the position I held; since I was working for a consulting firm, the client also showed that they had been looking for someone to fill the position. In two years, I was the only applicant - period. There are some jobs, spefically 'older technology', that many people don't want to work with. There was someone in our office who quit and took a new job a year ago because she said, 'I don't want to work with that old stuff'. The program may be abused at times, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work at other times as well.

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                      Nish Nishant
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                      Tim Carmichael wrote:

                      The program may be abused at times, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work at other times as well.

                      Yep, the abuses would be few! Valid usage is more the rule I think. Regards, Nish


                      Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                      Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications.

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                        This bill will have to debated in House and fight with a similar yet different House bill. Comprehensive Immigration Reform (CIR) mainly focuses on 11+ million illegals and several backlogs (at different stages) of 350K to up a million legal immigrants. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this; -- modified at 16:06 Wednesday 31st May, 2006

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                        Nish Nishant
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                        Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:

                        if (this == this) thow this;

                        Is the "thow" intended as part of the joke (assuming it's one), or is that a typo? Regards, Nish


                        Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                        Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications.

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                          Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:

                          if (this == this) thow this;

                          Is the "thow" intended as part of the joke (assuming it's one), or is that a typo? Regards, Nish


                          Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                          Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications.

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                          Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                          Is the "thow" intended as part of the joke (assuming it's one), or is that a typo?

                          An ex colleague (who was a newbie) spent many hours trying to find out what was wrong with his program. Because of some unknown reason his IDE had stopped highlighting keywords and he got tons of compiling errors b/c of typing "thow" instead of "throw". This event entertained us for a long time. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;

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                          • J JWood

                            You might have heard in the 'States about the protests on the House Bill. In response the Senate wrote a bill that increase the number of high tech workers H-1B Visas from 65,000 to 115,000 along with all the other legislation. Senate immigration bill raises H-1B limit[^] The IEEE was not too happy IEEE-USA President Ralph W. Wyndrum, Jr. said: "We don't understand why the Senate wants to expand a program that numerous government reports have found leaves U.S and foreign workers open to exploitation. Fraud, abuse and misuse of the visas is rampant. The program should be fixed before it is expanded."

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                            It's a good program, but the IEEE is right that they first need to fix several problems and enforce several of its provisions. Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

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