All the Vista Bashing
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How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.
And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
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How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.
And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
We have yet to recover from the shock.No, I haven't. My biggest complaint is based on the feature set that is advertised. Like XP before it, there is no compelling reason to upgrade to the new OS other than enhanced eye candy. My current user interface isn't as pretty, but I have no doubt that on the same machine, the performance will be much better than if I install Vista with the neat & groovy graphics. And either way, my compiler will offer the same functionality, as will my word processor, spreadsheet, database, business accounting program, web browser and email. MS expects me to give them money for a new OS but offers little in the way of benefits. I will, ultimately, have to upgrade for the same reason that my studio runs XP - because some yahoo of a programmer will require me to do so. Bah. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!
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How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.
And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
We have yet to recover from the shock.David Stone wrote:
And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO.
How would you rename the extension? Use Monad? Regards, Nish
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How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.
And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
We have yet to recover from the shock.While I agree about everything else. I will have to disagree with UAC. The concept is great but the way it is implemented in this beta build does suck. I am sure that it will be sorted out. On my machine the screen turns black for sometime and then I am prompted with the Windows Security dialog. It was greatly annoying in the beginning when I was installing software. I had to disable UAC for sometime.
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How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.
And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
We have yet to recover from the shock.I'm way with you David. Most people don't even realize they've hopped on a band-wagon. Wagon-bashing is the term I've coined for it. People don't understand that they have a choice. They don't have to use Vista and they should just make their choice and be quiet. Instead everyone has to be an expert especially with something they haven't used. So they register their opinions etc, etc, etc... It's cool to bash Microsoft right?:rolleyes:
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While I agree about everything else. I will have to disagree with UAC. The concept is great but the way it is implemented in this beta build does suck. I am sure that it will be sorted out. On my machine the screen turns black for sometime and then I am prompted with the Windows Security dialog. It was greatly annoying in the beginning when I was installing software. I had to disable UAC for sometime.
Beta? Right. It's a beta. Don't install it if you are going to bash stuff that's "In Beta". Right?:-D
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No, I haven't. My biggest complaint is based on the feature set that is advertised. Like XP before it, there is no compelling reason to upgrade to the new OS other than enhanced eye candy. My current user interface isn't as pretty, but I have no doubt that on the same machine, the performance will be much better than if I install Vista with the neat & groovy graphics. And either way, my compiler will offer the same functionality, as will my word processor, spreadsheet, database, business accounting program, web browser and email. MS expects me to give them money for a new OS but offers little in the way of benefits. I will, ultimately, have to upgrade for the same reason that my studio runs XP - because some yahoo of a programmer will require me to do so. Bah. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!
Christopher Duncan wrote:
MS expects me to give them money for a new OS but offers little in the way of benefits
Christopher Duncan wrote:
because some yahoo of a programmer will require me to do
And Microsoft is singing yahoo all the way to the bank. :) Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] The America I believe in has always understood that natural harmony is only one meal away from monkey burgers. [Stan Shannon] GOOD DAY FOR: Bean counters, as the Australian Taxation Office said that prostitutes and strippers could claim tax deductions for adult toys and sexy lingerie. [Associated Press]
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David Stone wrote:
And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO.
How would you rename the extension? Use Monad? Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)You still can rename the extension in explorer. It's just when you press F2 to rename, everything to the left of ".LastIndexOf(".")" is highlighted, therefore excluding the extension.
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How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.
And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
We have yet to recover from the shock.David Stone wrote:
Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.
Me too and, in fact, I'm using Vista almost everyday. ______________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA] and the ScrewTurn Software experiment
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You still can rename the extension in explorer. It's just when you press F2 to rename, everything to the left of ".LastIndexOf(".")" is highlighted, therefore excluding the extension.
Somanova420 wrote:
You still can rename the extension in explorer. It's just when you press F2 to rename, everything to the left of ".LastIndexOf(".")" is highlighted, therefore excluding the extension.
Ah, I didn't see the "selection" part of it - sorry! :doh: Regards, Nish
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No, I haven't. My biggest complaint is based on the feature set that is advertised. Like XP before it, there is no compelling reason to upgrade to the new OS other than enhanced eye candy. My current user interface isn't as pretty, but I have no doubt that on the same machine, the performance will be much better than if I install Vista with the neat & groovy graphics. And either way, my compiler will offer the same functionality, as will my word processor, spreadsheet, database, business accounting program, web browser and email. MS expects me to give them money for a new OS but offers little in the way of benefits. I will, ultimately, have to upgrade for the same reason that my studio runs XP - because some yahoo of a programmer will require me to do so. Bah. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!
Christopher Duncan wrote:
Like XP before it, there is no compelling reason to upgrade to the new OS other than enhanced eye candy.
So when you buy cars, eye candy is a good enough reason, but not so for an OS, eh? Interesting! :rolleyes: I know your car's powerful, but it looks damn good too. Regards, Nish
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I'm way with you David. Most people don't even realize they've hopped on a band-wagon. Wagon-bashing is the term I've coined for it. People don't understand that they have a choice. They don't have to use Vista and they should just make their choice and be quiet. Instead everyone has to be an expert especially with something they haven't used. So they register their opinions etc, etc, etc... It's cool to bash Microsoft right?:rolleyes:
"You have an arrow in your butt!" - Fiona:cool:
Welcome to CP in your language. Post the unicode version in My CP Blog [ ^ ] now.People who don't understand how awesome Firefox is have never used CPhog[^]CPhog. The act of using CPhog (Firefox)[^] alone doesn't make Firefox cool. It opens your eyes to the possibilities and then you start looking for other things like CPhog (Firefox)[^] and your eyes are suddenly open to all sorts of useful things all through Firefox. - (Self Quote)
Instead everyone has to be an expert especially with something they haven't used I gave you a 5 for that. I'll bet you every MS basher makes there $$ on Microsoft. (then they'll say.. "oh but that's different..I'm a programmer i know everything). If they hate MS so much, go program on Linux or Mac's. Lets see how many people will be starving. :omg::wtf::omg:
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No, I haven't. My biggest complaint is based on the feature set that is advertised. Like XP before it, there is no compelling reason to upgrade to the new OS other than enhanced eye candy. My current user interface isn't as pretty, but I have no doubt that on the same machine, the performance will be much better than if I install Vista with the neat & groovy graphics. And either way, my compiler will offer the same functionality, as will my word processor, spreadsheet, database, business accounting program, web browser and email. MS expects me to give them money for a new OS but offers little in the way of benefits. I will, ultimately, have to upgrade for the same reason that my studio runs XP - because some yahoo of a programmer will require me to do so. Bah. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!
Hear, hear! Amen! Can I get a "Hallelujah"! My dilemma: Since a lightning strike toasted my main home PC (midway through my annual Linux trial) I'll be rebuilding from the ground up very soon. What OS do I choose? I've decided that even a spanking new Linux distro (SUSE 10.1) still isn't ready for my desktop needs. I have a choice between W2K Pro and XP Pro. Decisions, decisions. "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." - Martin Mull
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
Like XP before it, there is no compelling reason to upgrade to the new OS other than enhanced eye candy.
So when you buy cars, eye candy is a good enough reason, but not so for an OS, eh? Interesting! :rolleyes: I know your car's powerful, but it looks damn good too. Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I know your car's powerful, but it looks damn good too.
I don't see the connection with Vista (neither powerful nor attractive).
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Beta? Right. It's a beta. Don't install it if you are going to bash stuff that's "In Beta". Right?:-D
"You have an arrow in your butt!" - Fiona:cool:
Welcome to CP in your language. Post the unicode version in My CP Blog [ ^ ] now.People who don't understand how awesome Firefox is have never used CPhog[^]CPhog. The act of using CPhog (Firefox)[^] alone doesn't make Firefox cool. It opens your eyes to the possibilities and then you start looking for other things like CPhog (Firefox)[^] and your eyes are suddenly open to all sorts of useful things all through Firefox. - (Self Quote)
Crap is still crap - it doesn't matter what stage of its existance we're talking about...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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David Stone wrote:
Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.
Me too and, in fact, I'm using Vista almost everyday. ______________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA] and the ScrewTurn Software experiment
You're from Brazil - what do you know?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.
And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
We have yet to recover from the shock.David Stone wrote:
How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time?
Not i. I'm a huge sucker for eye candy, there's no way i could be objective if i actually installed it. Ohyeah, and i'm still waiting on a new machine. I suppose that could have something to do with it as well. :rolleyes:
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
Like XP before it, there is no compelling reason to upgrade to the new OS other than enhanced eye candy.
So when you buy cars, eye candy is a good enough reason, but not so for an OS, eh? Interesting! :rolleyes: I know your car's powerful, but it looks damn good too. Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Ah, the trusty Vette is an excellent case in point. I drive a 2004, which is the last year of the C5 series. When the C6 came out, I took it for a spin, seriously considering the upgrade. It had another 50 horsepower, but at this level you can't really feel that. Other than that, the selling features were eye candy. A new look (okay, but not compelling), and the addition of the touch screen interface for control of heating & a/c, OnStar, etc. In fact, the computer screen stuff is one of the new whiz bang things they really hype about the new model. To me, it's a downgrade. Why? I have a heads up display, and I can control my radio, heating & a/c, and everything else by feel without having to take my eyes off the road (handy when a curb is fast approaching at 58 mph :rolleyes:) When the computer screen boots on the C6, it first displays a blue "Please don't sue us" screen telling you not to operate it when the car is moving. Why? Because you can't do it by feel, you have to take your eyes off the road. (And this, by the way, controls your air conditioning in the summer.) So, other than the ego of having the latest & greatest, there are no compelling new features in the C6 beyond eye candy. Consequently, I didn't upgrade. Same principles. :-D And yeah, the C5 does look cool. :cool: However, I don't drive it to impress people. I drive it because it's big fun. :-D Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I know your car's powerful, but it looks damn good too.
I don't see the connection with Vista (neither powerful nor attractive).
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I don't see the connection with Vista (neither powerful nor attractive).
Based on the screenshots I saw, I wouldn't say it's particularly attractive either, but everyone's who's got the Aero theme working says, it sorta starts looking good after a few minutes, and then you start to like it. Gotta try it one day I guess. Regards, Nish
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Instead everyone has to be an expert especially with something they haven't used I gave you a 5 for that. I'll bet you every MS basher makes there $$ on Microsoft. (then they'll say.. "oh but that's different..I'm a programmer i know everything). If they hate MS so much, go program on Linux or Mac's. Lets see how many people will be starving. :omg::wtf::omg:
When I was coding, I was a MS guy. Not because of "brand loyalty", but because that's where the gigs were. Macs are cool, but there isn't much work for them. You guys might be right about :baaaa!: jumping on bandwagons, but I ain't one of them. I'm quite capable of doing my own thinking. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!
