Ghosts...
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Having twice lived in a place with a resident poltergeist (the first a maisonette in Maidenhead, the second a house in Basingstoke), I can certainly vouch for the fact that there are phenomena beyond our current understanding. Neither experience was in any way pleasant. I've seen things levitate and be thrown (including a washing machine, and a christmas tree!), heard our loft being trashed while there was no-one in the house (I'd tidied it the day before, but afterwards it was a paint-covered wreck) and generally felt something nasty around the place. In both cases it took at least one exorcism to get rid of the thing. Needless to say, it's not an experience I'd care to repeat! The one amusing thing about the whole experience was having to go to my team leader and ask for time off. When I told him why, he went white and then said "You're not joking, are you?"... Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
I can certainly vouch for the fact that there are phenomena beyond our current understanding.
I agree. I used to go ghost hunting with friends back in my (younger) youth. While I didn't see things levitate, I did have some unexaplainble stuff happen. I will have to admit. I'm still a bit skeptic about the levitation stuff because I've never seen it - just my nature. But, I'm the type of person that would love to see it. So ya know, if it happens, take a picture. :laugh:
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
In both cases it took at least one exorcism to get rid of the thing. Needless to say, it's not an experience I'd care to repeat!
Stuff like this does make me wonder, if it's not at least partially in our own heads. I'm not overly religious, but to me this suggest a somewhat religious slant by saying that God comes into play with removing it. All I do know, is that there's so much we don't know. Jeremy Falcon
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Can ghosts be photographed? I know, this is something way off track from technology, but I believe that's what the Lounge it for... :-> So, how many of you believe in ghosts? I personally don't believe that they can be captured on cameras. But does anyone have a different opinion? :) Well, I just had a long discussion with a friend regarding Ghosts and he says that Ghosts are globs of Electromagnetic energy and electromagnetic energy cannot be captured on tape. Do you all agree? :doh: --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
TechyMaila wrote:
So, how many of you believe in ghosts? I personally don't believe that they can be captured on cameras. But does anyone have a different opinion?
They can and I've done it. Well, technically it was with my friend's equipment that I no longer speak to. And while I'm not positive they where ghosts per sé, I'm positive there were things there the camera picked up (in full motion) that our eyes could not see. Jeremy Falcon
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TechyMaila wrote:
Well, I just had a long discussion with a friend regarding Ghosts and he says that Ghosts are globs of Electromagnetic energy and electromagnetic energy cannot be captured on tape. Do you all agree?
Since light is electromagnetic energy, I'd have to disagree.
espeir wrote:
Since light is electromagnetic energy, I'd have to disagree.
Ditto. Jeremy Falcon
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TechyMaila wrote:
So, how many of you believe in ghosts? I personally don't believe that they can be captured on cameras. But does anyone have a different opinion?
I guess you have to start in what is "a ghost" and move from there. In my youth I was involved in a paranormal search team. Since none, so far, have found the definitive proof that ghosts exist, no one can say for sure. It is still referred to as paranormal because it may still be a natural energy occurance that we just don't understand yet. If "a ghost" is a physical object with active energy properties then the answer is "yes". In some cases "a ghost" is really just high incidence of electromagnetic radiation (natural or manmade) that affects the brain causing the nature of the human brain to see "shapes". In this latter case, it exists only in your "brain" so cannot be photographed. When you start looking at "paranormal" search groups the most common photograph is "orbs". Some groups automatically assume "orbs" are ghosts. There is a growing group of investigators that believe that orbs are a natural background energy that we simply don't understand, in some cases natural "random" occurances from leaking background radiation and maybe only a few are really affected by "ghosts". Most of the photographic evidence of paranormal is orb activity, and ironically because of that is heading to the point of crossing from paranormal to normal. But has moved away from the idea of hauntings in the process. A good group now will discount most orb activity as long as it shows random movement, it's just "charged" air. Until the holy grail of photographic evidence is found, no one will ever know. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
When you start looking at "paranormal" search groups the most common photograph is "orbs". Some groups automatically assume "orbs" are ghosts.
If that's all you found in your photographs, I'd suggest you find a new research team. :laugh:
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
it may still be a natural energy occurance that we just don't understand yet.
That's what the logical side of me keeps saying as well. I mean, go back 3000 years in time and try to explain the concept of bacteria to the populus. It wouldn't be much different, and they'd probably think you're crazy.
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
A good group now will discount most orb activity as long as it shows random movement, it's just "charged" air.
Define random then (note, I'm not necessarily disagreeing here). I've caught enough orbs on video to know it's not totally random (as in jerky). They do like to fly around a room it seems though. I've had one follow a friend of mine into my room once (caught on video of course). Now, granted, people do have an electric charge, so that doesn't prove they're ghost. Just food for thought. Jeremy Falcon
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TechyMaila wrote:
electromagnetic energy cannot be captured on tape
Light is an electromagnetic field. I think camera's were invented specifically to capture light ;) cheers, Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote:
I think camera's were invented specifically to capture light
Crazy concept, eh? :-D Jeremy Falcon
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TechyMaila wrote:
So, how many of you believe in ghosts? I personally don't believe that they can be captured on cameras. But does anyone have a different opinion?
They can and I've done it. Well, technically it was with my friend's equipment that I no longer speak to. And while I'm not positive they where ghosts per sé, I'm positive there were things there the camera picked up (in full motion) that our eyes could not see. Jeremy Falcon
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The "orbs" are out-of-focus dust particles reflecting light often from the camera's flash bulb. Sorry to disappoint. Check out http://www.randi.org[^] for lots of analysis of the paranormal, spirituality, and other kooky, unfounded beliefs. ;)
I suggest you all consider reading this great book by the late Carl Sagan: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/sr=8-1/qid=1149545158/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-7684579-5008812?%5Fencoding=UTF8[^] It's a good read and you might learn something about yourself!
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
When you start looking at "paranormal" search groups the most common photograph is "orbs". Some groups automatically assume "orbs" are ghosts.
If that's all you found in your photographs, I'd suggest you find a new research team. :laugh:
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
it may still be a natural energy occurance that we just don't understand yet.
That's what the logical side of me keeps saying as well. I mean, go back 3000 years in time and try to explain the concept of bacteria to the populus. It wouldn't be much different, and they'd probably think you're crazy.
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
A good group now will discount most orb activity as long as it shows random movement, it's just "charged" air.
Define random then (note, I'm not necessarily disagreeing here). I've caught enough orbs on video to know it's not totally random (as in jerky). They do like to fly around a room it seems though. I've had one follow a friend of mine into my room once (caught on video of course). Now, granted, people do have an electric charge, so that doesn't prove they're ghost. Just food for thought. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
If that's all you found in your photographs, I'd suggest you find a new research team.
oh no... that was not all, that is just the most common. It was the gut wrenching claw to the stomache and throat that retired me. Pain does wonders for retiring the part-timers. I wasn't as serious as some, programming is safer.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Define random then (note, I'm not necessarily disagreeing here). I've caught enough orbs on video to know it's not totally random (as in jerky). They do like to fly around a room it seems though. I've had one follow a friend of mine into my room once (caught on video of course).
Here is your test for random, assuming you don't get arrested for it.... take a video camera out and photograph your largest transformer station the same way you would looking for orbs in haunting. It is amazing that the occurance is much higher around high energy devices. If all orbs are ghosts, then your electrical companies have the most haunted locations in America. ;) Most groups throw out stills of orbs anymore, video of orbs are generally categorized by behavior. When you capture the ones from pure electrical sources like a power-plant you can begin to understand the differences between them. Orbs, like lightning, follow the path of least resistance, with motion and inertia, that does not mean jerky but it does not mean straight lines. Dust always follows the wind directions, orbs do not have to. Now of course you also have dust, rods (insects stretched on multi-frame video), and other non-orbs that look similar. It is one reason why most orbs are discounted by more and more groups, too easy to discount also. Now that science is experimenting with all kinds of low/high-energy temporary plasma forms from lightning/electricity research, orbs are moving from the paranormal to the normal. Which also means they are beginning to have a normal explanation which means they are no longer suitable for evidence of haunting. Why say haunting when you see an orb when you can just say "poor wiring is releasing a static charge in the form of low-energy charged air-particles similar to plasma"... call your local electrician, not your local ghostbuster. ;) here's your new orb: http://www.tvhistory.tv/1966_Reddy_Kilowatt_Toy.JPG[
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As a scientist I can't accept that there is some secondary, ethereal part of someone which can hang around after they've died, but I don't have an explanation for this sighting, especially as it came from someone who was highly trained to observe things accurately.
Really? I'm undecided myself (and not religious), but it's interesting to think about where our energy/soul/life comes from. When you are conceived, where does that spark of life come from? Just the chemical reaction? A chemical reaction that just grows into a self-aware human being? If there really is a 'spark', perhaps passed on by our parent's own heartbeat, that starts our hearts beating and makes us a life form, where does it go when one dies? I don't really believe a ghost could be a fully articulate person you can talk to, or who wants to scare you, but I do believe we can maybe feel that energy for some time after a person dies, we feel cold, or our brains pick it up. Or the spark could just disperse unnoticed into the cosmos, or maybe life is just one random base eat-reproduce machine-like cycle and none of us really have self awareness. Something to muse upon Estherino
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Really? I'm undecided myself (and not religious), but it's interesting to think about where our energy/soul/life comes from. When you are conceived, where does that spark of life come from? Just the chemical reaction? A chemical reaction that just grows into a self-aware human being? If there really is a 'spark', perhaps passed on by our parent's own heartbeat, that starts our hearts beating and makes us a life form, where does it go when one dies? I don't really believe a ghost could be a fully articulate person you can talk to, or who wants to scare you, but I do believe we can maybe feel that energy for some time after a person dies, we feel cold, or our brains pick it up. Or the spark could just disperse unnoticed into the cosmos, or maybe life is just one random base eat-reproduce machine-like cycle and none of us really have self awareness. Something to muse upon Estherino
Estherino wrote:
When you are conceived, where does that spark of life come from? Just the chemical reaction?
IMHO, yes, just the chemical reaction, and our consciousness is purely down to the massive complexity of the interconnections in the human brain. Just my opinion though!
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:laugh: --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
Never, You can not take photo of a ghost. this is my hypothesis
// take an existing ghost as they can not be created internal class GhostTest { ghost g = getobject(ghost); //check the skin and visibility if(g == null) { return; } visibility vg = g.visibility; // now lets assume our visibility as v1 //ghosts can see you better. if( vg > v1 ) { while (typeOf(you) is not ghost) { g.ChangeToGhost( you ); } } else { //your visibility is better then ghosts.. beware you can be a ghost too.... g = (ghost)you; } }sorry for this hammering.. but i guess you cant take the photo... Brijesh Pandya
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Really? I'm undecided myself (and not religious), but it's interesting to think about where our energy/soul/life comes from. When you are conceived, where does that spark of life come from? Just the chemical reaction? A chemical reaction that just grows into a self-aware human being? If there really is a 'spark', perhaps passed on by our parent's own heartbeat, that starts our hearts beating and makes us a life form, where does it go when one dies? I don't really believe a ghost could be a fully articulate person you can talk to, or who wants to scare you, but I do believe we can maybe feel that energy for some time after a person dies, we feel cold, or our brains pick it up. Or the spark could just disperse unnoticed into the cosmos, or maybe life is just one random base eat-reproduce machine-like cycle and none of us really have self awareness. Something to muse upon Estherino
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Well, that depends... Camera capture visible light (electromagnetic emission in a certain range of frequency). Now the question is, if the ghost exist, do they: -1. reflect light, like normal matter? -2. emit their own light (electronic emission)? -3. or de we see them with some 'not very much used or known about but not electromagnetic based' kind of 6th sense? In case 1. & 2. they could be shot. In case 3. they can't..... Personally I don't believe in ghost, after life and blah blah blah. But I will be pleased to be wrong :laugh:
Sir! There is life after death and there is one quote ("Nothing is more certain which cannot be seen and nothing is more uncertain which can be seen") i can give you billion of examples that life after death is there and life on earth is just a test just like admission test or GRE that you should be granted admission or not. The whole purpose of life is make God sure that we are his servants and we obey his commands so that he can let us admitt in heaven otherwise just like failure on this earth there will be a failure there and in that regard one will be in hell which is a bad place to live. if you need explaination please do email me back thanks
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Sir! There is life after death and there is one quote ("Nothing is more certain which cannot be seen and nothing is more uncertain which can be seen") i can give you billion of examples that life after death is there and life on earth is just a test just like admission test or GRE that you should be granted admission or not. The whole purpose of life is make God sure that we are his servants and we obey his commands so that he can let us admitt in heaven otherwise just like failure on this earth there will be a failure there and in that regard one will be in hell which is a bad place to live. if you need explaination please do email me back thanks
I am more or less over fed-up with religious discussion and I have no intention to start one (FYI I'm an atheist). Anyway, wether or not I believe in (G)god(s)(esses) doesn't matter. The point is do I believe in ghosts? I don't (it's more akin to I don't care) but I would like too ;-) (if you se what I mean?) BUT "these" manifestation, I just want to question that they come from a 'dead being' and I have the simple following argument: Since the begining of time, there is a huge number of dead, way more that the tiny numer of living. On the other hand there is very little such manifestation (if at all). So wether or not this manifestation are real, it's hard to believe they are the product of dead being as dead being, if such thing exist, will be so numerous their manifestation should swanp us instead of elluding us...
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I don't believe in ghosts....however, this happened to some friends of mine who I trust 100%: They moved into a new house in a village, and they found that there was one room they could never feel warm in regardless of temperature. One night, the wife woke up and saw a woman standing at the end of her bed. She woke her husband, who saw her too, then she disappeared. The following day in the pub, the husband asked the landlord if their house was haunted, and the landlord said that he hadn't wanted to say anything about it before they saw anything, then took him out to a back room in the pub where there was an old painting....of the woman they had seen the previous night!
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Can ghosts be photographed? I know, this is something way off track from technology, but I believe that's what the Lounge it for... :-> So, how many of you believe in ghosts? I personally don't believe that they can be captured on cameras. But does anyone have a different opinion? :) Well, I just had a long discussion with a friend regarding Ghosts and he says that Ghosts are globs of Electromagnetic energy and electromagnetic energy cannot be captured on tape. Do you all agree? :doh: --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
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Anna, this is... < I'm speechless ... And puzzled ... and curious ... > That makes you think indeed! Anyway I wonder why the dead would be able to do more than the living... (like throwing a washing machine, it's heavy!) Maybe there is something mysterious, but different? (I mean: not a ghost...)
I dunno about photography ghosts, but it may be possible, it may not. As for one thing we dont even really know if they exist for instance. No one has yet to prove that one particualer video or photo could be have been edited and/or be unfraudable. No hardcore proof as far as im' concerned. I personally dont think they can be photographed. -Think not of the problem But of the solution! -Mind what people do, not what they say, for deeds will betray an lie. -The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason. -Contradictions don't exist, in whole or in part.
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Can ghosts be photographed? I know, this is something way off track from technology, but I believe that's what the Lounge it for... :-> So, how many of you believe in ghosts? I personally don't believe that they can be captured on cameras. But does anyone have a different opinion? :) Well, I just had a long discussion with a friend regarding Ghosts and he says that Ghosts are globs of Electromagnetic energy and electromagnetic energy cannot be captured on tape. Do you all agree? :doh: --- With best regards, A Manchester United Fan The Genius of a true fool is that he can mess up a foolproof plan!
1: Light is electromagnetic energy. 2: Our eyes can detect it. 3: Cameras can also detect it. conclusion: If ghost are real and we, as a human being, can see it without any strange artificial means, then, yes the camera should also work and you could take a picture of a ghost. Points of caution: The mind is v-e-r-y powerful. It can make believe. You know there is ppl in mental hospitals that actually have non-existing friend. Some of them think the fridge is going to gobble him. Also, social experiences can be devastating (I cant spell, soz) to one's mind. People in the right crowd will believe they are healed, but the next day he finds that he is not. How to test for possible mind numbing experiences: Take a picture. If its in the pic, then its not your mind. If you can't take a picture, ask a friend? If your friend admits it, let him draw a picture independantly from you. If it compares, theres a big possibility, but it is not conclusive. If no friend -> act temporarily insane :-D . Truth: A woman had a nightmare every nigth in which she fell in a big black hole to her death. After being hipnotized, the psycoligist (I need help with spelling) found that she was dreaming about a small hole on her carpet. This story just shows you how powerful the subconcious is. Just remember: enjoy life PS: sorry for the long reply and yes: I'm a scientist and an atheist The world of the beginner is not an easy one. But we do need them! BiTN
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The "orbs" are out-of-focus dust particles reflecting light often from the camera's flash bulb. Sorry to disappoint. Check out http://www.randi.org[^] for lots of analysis of the paranormal, spirituality, and other kooky, unfounded beliefs. ;)
I don't agree. I've caught more than one orb in motion on a video camera that used no flash. People can try to explain all day long, but yet they don't bother to experiment. Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
If that's all you found in your photographs, I'd suggest you find a new research team.
oh no... that was not all, that is just the most common. It was the gut wrenching claw to the stomache and throat that retired me. Pain does wonders for retiring the part-timers. I wasn't as serious as some, programming is safer.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Define random then (note, I'm not necessarily disagreeing here). I've caught enough orbs on video to know it's not totally random (as in jerky). They do like to fly around a room it seems though. I've had one follow a friend of mine into my room once (caught on video of course).
Here is your test for random, assuming you don't get arrested for it.... take a video camera out and photograph your largest transformer station the same way you would looking for orbs in haunting. It is amazing that the occurance is much higher around high energy devices. If all orbs are ghosts, then your electrical companies have the most haunted locations in America. ;) Most groups throw out stills of orbs anymore, video of orbs are generally categorized by behavior. When you capture the ones from pure electrical sources like a power-plant you can begin to understand the differences between them. Orbs, like lightning, follow the path of least resistance, with motion and inertia, that does not mean jerky but it does not mean straight lines. Dust always follows the wind directions, orbs do not have to. Now of course you also have dust, rods (insects stretched on multi-frame video), and other non-orbs that look similar. It is one reason why most orbs are discounted by more and more groups, too easy to discount also. Now that science is experimenting with all kinds of low/high-energy temporary plasma forms from lightning/electricity research, orbs are moving from the paranormal to the normal. Which also means they are beginning to have a normal explanation which means they are no longer suitable for evidence of haunting. Why say haunting when you see an orb when you can just say "poor wiring is releasing a static charge in the form of low-energy charged air-particles similar to plasma"... call your local electrician, not your local ghostbuster. ;) here's your new orb: http://www.tvhistory.tv/1966_Reddy_Kilowatt_Toy.JPG[
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
that was not all, that is just the most common.
You're totally correct about that.
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
When you capture the ones from pure electrical sources like a power-plant you can begin to understand the differences between them.
You could be on to something here. I will say, most of them I caught were around the home (electrical devices a plenty though) and graveyards (still wondering on that). But, if I ever get the chance, I just my try out what your saying. Of course, if I end up in jail, don't expect a post about it. :laugh: Jeremy Falcon
