Scissors removed from patient's stomach
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http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/004200606120363.htm[^] Kozhikode, June 12 (UNI): Doctors at the Kozhikode Medical College Hospital here on Sunday removed a five-and-a-half inch-long scissors from a 65-year-old patient's stomach. After an x-ray, doctors removed the scissors from Akkooppoyil Achuthan's (65) stomach following an emergency surgery, hospital sources said. The patient's relatives said a six-kg tumour was removed from his stomach in an operation at the hospital on April 2, 2005. The doctor who performed the operation might have inadvertently forgotten to remove the scissors after the procedure, they said. Achuthan had been frequenting the hospital due to acute pain since then, relatives added.
A funny thought: Imagine the guy with scissors in his stomach is going to another country and on airport the metal detector detects something :)
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http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/004200606120363.htm[^] Kozhikode, June 12 (UNI): Doctors at the Kozhikode Medical College Hospital here on Sunday removed a five-and-a-half inch-long scissors from a 65-year-old patient's stomach. After an x-ray, doctors removed the scissors from Akkooppoyil Achuthan's (65) stomach following an emergency surgery, hospital sources said. The patient's relatives said a six-kg tumour was removed from his stomach in an operation at the hospital on April 2, 2005. The doctor who performed the operation might have inadvertently forgotten to remove the scissors after the procedure, they said. Achuthan had been frequenting the hospital due to acute pain since then, relatives added.
There is a nurse who's job it is to count everything before they close up to prevent this! The tigress is here :-D
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A funny thought: Imagine the guy with scissors in his stomach is going to another country and on airport the metal detector detects something :)
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:doh: The tigress is here :-D
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Its good being a programmer the worst thing i can do is code some bug
Well, some of those bugs, most notably on chemotherapy machines a few years ago, have killed people because the operator entered a sequence of commands that inadvertently (read "bug") caused the patients to receive maximum dosages. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
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Monty2 wrote:
Its good being a programmer the worst thing i can do is code some bug
Well, some of those bugs, most notably on chemotherapy machines a few years ago, have killed people because the operator entered a sequence of commands that inadvertently (read "bug") caused the patients to receive maximum dosages. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
Marc Clifton wrote:
Well, some of those bugs, most notably on chemotherapy machines a few years ago, have killed people because the operator entered a sequence of commands that inadvertently (read "bug") caused the patients to receive maximum dosages.
Are you serious, did that really happened?
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And these creatures claim for more reservations? Shame on them. :mad: :mad: Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Web: http://www.lavanyadeepak.tk/ I Blog At: http://www.dotnetjunkies.com/weblog/deepak/
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And these creatures claim for more reservations? Shame on them.
This has no connection with reservation! What are you talking about? :confused: Or, are you suggesting that such a bad doctor has to be one from a supposedly lower caste religion? If so, that's racist! Extremely so! Regards, Nish
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There is a nurse who's job it is to count everything before they close up to prevent this! The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote:
There is a nurse who's job it is to count everything before they close up to prevent this!
All the good nurses in Kerala (the state where this happened) are in the United States or in the Gulf countries :sigh: Regards, Nish
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Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
And these creatures claim for more reservations? Shame on them.
This has no connection with reservation! What are you talking about? :confused: Or, are you suggesting that such a bad doctor has to be one from a supposedly lower caste religion? If so, that's racist! Extremely so! Regards, Nish
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if society started churning out doctors without considering the merit, more than this will happen. A doctor has to be an intelligent perosn where reservation system doesnt work for it. He would have intended to say that.
jithAtran - ii wrote:
if society started churning out doctors without considering the merit, more than this will happen. A doctor has to be an intelligent perosn where reservation system doesnt work for it. He would have intended to say that.
Okay, then we also have to shut down 80% of India's medical schools - they are all capitation fee based and only people who can afford the high fees can go there. It's not merit-based. That'd result in a severe shortage of doctors. I don't know if the country is ready for that. Regards, Nish
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jithAtran - ii wrote:
if society started churning out doctors without considering the merit, more than this will happen. A doctor has to be an intelligent perosn where reservation system doesnt work for it. He would have intended to say that.
Okay, then we also have to shut down 80% of India's medical schools - they are all capitation fee based and only people who can afford the high fees can go there. It's not merit-based. That'd result in a severe shortage of doctors. I don't know if the country is ready for that. Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)The logic here is: If a father is willing to pay a sum near 25 lakhs as capitation fee for a medical seat ,he would also able to understand whether his child can really pass the exams and become a doctor. If the boy is a real fool then normally parents would not waste that much money. And in many cases they would have their own hospital too where the will squeeze the patients for the money
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The logic here is: If a father is willing to pay a sum near 25 lakhs as capitation fee for a medical seat ,he would also able to understand whether his child can really pass the exams and become a doctor. If the boy is a real fool then normally parents would not waste that much money. And in many cases they would have their own hospital too where the will squeeze the patients for the money
jithAtran - ii wrote:
If a father is willing to pay a sum near 25 lakhs as capitation fee for a medical seat ,he would also able to understand whether his child can really pass the exams and become a doctor. If the boy is a real fool then normally parents would not waste that much money.
Actually, in many such medical schools, the kids are given pass grades (since they've paid such high amounts).
jithAtran - ii wrote:
And in many cases they would have their own hospital too where the will squeeze the patients for the money
And that is even worse. Stuff like this is worse than reservation. With reservation, while they get a medical seat, eventually they have to pass the same exams meritoriously - they are not given free pass grades. Regards, Nish
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The logic here is: If a father is willing to pay a sum near 25 lakhs as capitation fee for a medical seat ,he would also able to understand whether his child can really pass the exams and become a doctor. If the boy is a real fool then normally parents would not waste that much money. And in many cases they would have their own hospital too where the will squeeze the patients for the money
jithAtran - ii wrote:
If a father is willing to pay a sum near 25 lakhs as capitation fee for a medical seat ,he would also able to understand whether his child can really pass the exams and become a doctor.
If becoming a good doctor is all about passing the medical exams [and by the way, what is the mimum pass mark - 45%?], how easy things would be. Have you seen the kind of kids that go to Karanataka based medical colleges by paying lakhs as capitation fee? - Smitha
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jithAtran - ii wrote:
If a father is willing to pay a sum near 25 lakhs as capitation fee for a medical seat ,he would also able to understand whether his child can really pass the exams and become a doctor.
If becoming a good doctor is all about passing the medical exams [and by the way, what is the mimum pass mark - 45%?], how easy things would be. Have you seen the kind of kids that go to Karanataka based medical colleges by paying lakhs as capitation fee? - Smitha
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OK....Ok... agreed but:^) A father (unless his brian is made of clay) would not pay these much money for his below average son who can never become a good doctor. But a 10th just pass SC student can get admission in a medical college and even if he passes the 5 year degree with 10 years ,he will get job in the government medical college. and more people will come out of the hospital with scissors in their stomach (a bit cruel.I know)
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jithAtran - ii wrote:
If a father is willing to pay a sum near 25 lakhs as capitation fee for a medical seat ,he would also able to understand whether his child can really pass the exams and become a doctor. If the boy is a real fool then normally parents would not waste that much money.
Actually, in many such medical schools, the kids are given pass grades (since they've paid such high amounts).
jithAtran - ii wrote:
And in many cases they would have their own hospital too where the will squeeze the patients for the money
And that is even worse. Stuff like this is worse than reservation. With reservation, while they get a medical seat, eventually they have to pass the same exams meritoriously - they are not given free pass grades. Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
jithAtran - ii wrote: And in many cases they would have their own hospital too where the will squeeze the patients for the money And that is even worse. Stuff like this is worse than reservation.
Yeah ..this is another topic to discuss
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Trollslayer wrote:
There is a nurse who's job it is to count everything before they close up to prevent this!
All the good nurses in Kerala (the state where this happened) are in the United States or in the Gulf countries :sigh: Regards, Nish
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OK....Ok... agreed but:^) A father (unless his brian is made of clay) would not pay these much money for his below average son who can never become a good doctor. But a 10th just pass SC student can get admission in a medical college and even if he passes the 5 year degree with 10 years ,he will get job in the government medical college. and more people will come out of the hospital with scissors in their stomach (a bit cruel.I know)
jithAtran - ii wrote:
and more people will come out of the hospital with scissors in their stomach (a bit cruel.I know)
Are you 100% sure that the doc who did this was a reservation candidate? Doesn't your unfair classification only reflect your racist attitude? In Gujarat, there was an incident once where a missionary was burned to death inside his car [along with his toddler son]. When you visit a foreign country, suppose someone looks at your face and tells you "Aren't you the kind of people who'd burn people and kids?", will you be okay with it? So even if that doc is a rservation candidate, no one has the right to criticise his community. There are hundred of docs who are drunkards or careless otherwise - who were meritorious students. We hear about lots of errors happening in our government hospitals and not all of it are done by lower caste doctors. Most of our plotical leaders take huge bribes, most of them, as a matter of fact, are from upper class communities - does that mean upper caste people are looters? Should we ban upper catse politicians and elect lower caste leaders so our nation can wipe out bribery?
jithAtran - ii wrote:
A father (unless his brian is made of clay) would not pay these much money for his below average son who can never become a good doctor.
Your mother prolly would spent INR 25000 a year [for example] without worries to buy gold jewellery, while your next door neighbour might be struggling to pay his kid's school tuition [which might be half the amount your mother spends]. If you tell him about the jewellery expenses, he might think your mother's brain is made of clay, no offence meant, to spend so much money on something which isn't worth half the amount [considering the taxes and the making costs that go into the jewellery's cost]. We are talking about rich NRIs for whom 25 lakhs is sometimes 10% their annual income [or even more]. And as you know, a medical graduation is amatter of status for a lot of people. Why wouldn't someone who buy a Mercedes for 35 lakhs pay 25 lakhs for a medical degree for his son/daughter? We are talking about rich NRIs and big shots here - not our next door neighbours. And a totally different question which I have always wanted to ask people who oppose reservation: Suppose Cambridge University starts a 5% reservation for Post-grad courses for Indian graduates - and they set the entry conditions for those seats to s
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jithAtran - ii wrote:
and more people will come out of the hospital with scissors in their stomach (a bit cruel.I know)
Are you 100% sure that the doc who did this was a reservation candidate? Doesn't your unfair classification only reflect your racist attitude? In Gujarat, there was an incident once where a missionary was burned to death inside his car [along with his toddler son]. When you visit a foreign country, suppose someone looks at your face and tells you "Aren't you the kind of people who'd burn people and kids?", will you be okay with it? So even if that doc is a rservation candidate, no one has the right to criticise his community. There are hundred of docs who are drunkards or careless otherwise - who were meritorious students. We hear about lots of errors happening in our government hospitals and not all of it are done by lower caste doctors. Most of our plotical leaders take huge bribes, most of them, as a matter of fact, are from upper class communities - does that mean upper caste people are looters? Should we ban upper catse politicians and elect lower caste leaders so our nation can wipe out bribery?
jithAtran - ii wrote:
A father (unless his brian is made of clay) would not pay these much money for his below average son who can never become a good doctor.
Your mother prolly would spent INR 25000 a year [for example] without worries to buy gold jewellery, while your next door neighbour might be struggling to pay his kid's school tuition [which might be half the amount your mother spends]. If you tell him about the jewellery expenses, he might think your mother's brain is made of clay, no offence meant, to spend so much money on something which isn't worth half the amount [considering the taxes and the making costs that go into the jewellery's cost]. We are talking about rich NRIs for whom 25 lakhs is sometimes 10% their annual income [or even more]. And as you know, a medical graduation is amatter of status for a lot of people. Why wouldn't someone who buy a Mercedes for 35 lakhs pay 25 lakhs for a medical degree for his son/daughter? We are talking about rich NRIs and big shots here - not our next door neighbours. And a totally different question which I have always wanted to ask people who oppose reservation: Suppose Cambridge University starts a 5% reservation for Post-grad courses for Indian graduates - and they set the entry conditions for those seats to s
Aha, now I see why Nish turned pro-reservation ;)
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jithAtran - ii wrote:
and more people will come out of the hospital with scissors in their stomach (a bit cruel.I know)
Are you 100% sure that the doc who did this was a reservation candidate? Doesn't your unfair classification only reflect your racist attitude? In Gujarat, there was an incident once where a missionary was burned to death inside his car [along with his toddler son]. When you visit a foreign country, suppose someone looks at your face and tells you "Aren't you the kind of people who'd burn people and kids?", will you be okay with it? So even if that doc is a rservation candidate, no one has the right to criticise his community. There are hundred of docs who are drunkards or careless otherwise - who were meritorious students. We hear about lots of errors happening in our government hospitals and not all of it are done by lower caste doctors. Most of our plotical leaders take huge bribes, most of them, as a matter of fact, are from upper class communities - does that mean upper caste people are looters? Should we ban upper catse politicians and elect lower caste leaders so our nation can wipe out bribery?
jithAtran - ii wrote:
A father (unless his brian is made of clay) would not pay these much money for his below average son who can never become a good doctor.
Your mother prolly would spent INR 25000 a year [for example] without worries to buy gold jewellery, while your next door neighbour might be struggling to pay his kid's school tuition [which might be half the amount your mother spends]. If you tell him about the jewellery expenses, he might think your mother's brain is made of clay, no offence meant, to spend so much money on something which isn't worth half the amount [considering the taxes and the making costs that go into the jewellery's cost]. We are talking about rich NRIs for whom 25 lakhs is sometimes 10% their annual income [or even more]. And as you know, a medical graduation is amatter of status for a lot of people. Why wouldn't someone who buy a Mercedes for 35 lakhs pay 25 lakhs for a medical degree for his son/daughter? We are talking about rich NRIs and big shots here - not our next door neighbours. And a totally different question which I have always wanted to ask people who oppose reservation: Suppose Cambridge University starts a 5% reservation for Post-grad courses for Indian graduates - and they set the entry conditions for those seats to s
:~ My first post was not a serious one .I only intended to be funny..But I can see now that it touched your nerves:^).
Smitha Vijayan wrote:
Are you 100% sure that the doc who did this was a reservation candidate? Doesn't your unfair classification only reflect your racist attitude?
I never meant it..not even in my distant dream.Infact I have made it clear in my first post itself .
Smitha Vijayan wrote:
Your mother prolly would spent INR 25000 a year [for example] without worries to buy gold jewellery, while your next door neighbour might be struggling to pay his kid's school tuition
Socialism is a different issue but I am ready to discuss angels and hegel over here. Social upliftment of poor is indeed an issue,but I dont think reservation is the best way to ensure it.And infact,what we have gained so far out of this 50 year long reservation system.Why the government is so afraid to allocate a commission to investigate the effect of reservation in India. still we can see lot of children working in hotels and shops,and no body seems to be bothered about their lives,parents,home etc..why this is still happening..and if we are still formulating the solution on basis of caste ,we cannot solve these issues since its beyond caste equations... in 1947 ,We had clear problems related to caste and religion.so reservation in terms of caste was an unquestionable thing in the constitution then. But now the equations have been changed. There is no class in the country which is still remains supressed in terms of caste.We can omit Scheduled Tribes from this since they still need some sort of reservation.But OBC reservation is totally unwanted. According to the rule upto 14 years all children should get compulsory education .But its not happening. I am not agianst reservation.But in india the present form of reservation is a clear mockery towards the people. The deserving candidates are still out of the stream while others are excluded from the system. And consider the mental truama of a bright average forward caste student who feels like unwanted in his own country.
Smitha Vijayan wrote:
Suppose Cambridge University starts a 5%
Definitely I will..see, in India average yearly income of a citizen is still below 500 Rs and 52% of people are still below poverty line.So reservatios for one particular class which affects others
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
All the good nurses in Kerala (the state where this happened) are in the United States or in the Gulf countries
Though its fact ,i hope you would not have intended to say that India doesnt have good nurses
jithAtran - ii wrote:
Though its fact ,i hope you would not have intended to say that India doesnt have good nurses
India has good nurses - but a lot of the better ones are going abroad. Just like the software brain drain, we will eventually face a medical worker drain! Regards, Nish
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:~ My first post was not a serious one .I only intended to be funny..But I can see now that it touched your nerves:^).
Smitha Vijayan wrote:
Are you 100% sure that the doc who did this was a reservation candidate? Doesn't your unfair classification only reflect your racist attitude?
I never meant it..not even in my distant dream.Infact I have made it clear in my first post itself .
Smitha Vijayan wrote:
Your mother prolly would spent INR 25000 a year [for example] without worries to buy gold jewellery, while your next door neighbour might be struggling to pay his kid's school tuition
Socialism is a different issue but I am ready to discuss angels and hegel over here. Social upliftment of poor is indeed an issue,but I dont think reservation is the best way to ensure it.And infact,what we have gained so far out of this 50 year long reservation system.Why the government is so afraid to allocate a commission to investigate the effect of reservation in India. still we can see lot of children working in hotels and shops,and no body seems to be bothered about their lives,parents,home etc..why this is still happening..and if we are still formulating the solution on basis of caste ,we cannot solve these issues since its beyond caste equations... in 1947 ,We had clear problems related to caste and religion.so reservation in terms of caste was an unquestionable thing in the constitution then. But now the equations have been changed. There is no class in the country which is still remains supressed in terms of caste.We can omit Scheduled Tribes from this since they still need some sort of reservation.But OBC reservation is totally unwanted. According to the rule upto 14 years all children should get compulsory education .But its not happening. I am not agianst reservation.But in india the present form of reservation is a clear mockery towards the people. The deserving candidates are still out of the stream while others are excluded from the system. And consider the mental truama of a bright average forward caste student who feels like unwanted in his own country.
Smitha Vijayan wrote:
Suppose Cambridge University starts a 5%
Definitely I will..see, in India average yearly income of a citizen is still below 500 Rs and 52% of people are still below poverty line.So reservatios for one particular class which affects others
jithAtran - ii wrote:
My first post was not a serious one .I only intended to be funny..
This was your first post: >>>if society started churning out doctors without considering the merit, more than this will happen. A doctor has to be an intelligent perosn where reservation system doesnt work for it.<<< I somehow failed to find the humor in it.
jithAtran - ii wrote:
Social upliftment of poor is indeed an issue,but I dont think reservation is the best way to ensure it.
Reservation is meant for social upliftment of the socially backward - not for the poor!
jithAtran - ii wrote:
Why the government is so afraid to allocate a commission to investigate the effect of reservation in India.
There are two things here: 1. The efficiency of such an investigation: Even if you appoint a commission of lower caste officials to study the issue, a lot of input has to come from the various institutions headed by upper caste people who are trying to kill the reservation system. As with most probes in India [like CBI investigations and Revenue Departments investigating on bribe cases of politicians - you know what outcome to expect out of these namesake rituals that happen in our country], this will be kind of meaningless. 2. In my state Kerala, there was one such commission appointed: Narendran commission. The results were shocking - even with so much reservations, lower caste people haven't reached anywhere and they have not been able to rise up in the bureaucracy. And based upon that, there were recommendations to improve the reservation system. In a state like Kerala where education and social life is uncomparably better than most other states in India [we are not talking about cities, we are talking about the state as a whole], if the situation is this worse, can't you imagine the situation in other states? Going back to point 1 above, when Narendarn commission did a study in Kerala, it was found later that a lot of institutions led by upper caste people gave false reports to hide the lack of proper reservation system implementation in their institutions.
jithAtran - ii wrote:
And consider the mental truama of a bright average forward caste student who feels like unwanted in his own country.
What about the ones who got opportunities? Are they all staying in their h