Hitler Shrine in Walworth County
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K(arl) wrote:
True in the US, IMO because the US tries to defuse its sentiment of guilt toward it.
True in the UK too, and both the UK or US have little to be ashamed of. Except perhaps for the British attempts to stop the formation of Israel. Ryan
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
both the UK or US have little to be ashamed of.
I disagree. From the US behavior toward Jewish european immigration before[^] and during[^] WW2 to its refusal to bomb railways leading to Auschwitz[^] through the silence maintained on information got in 1942 and 1943 about the slaughters and the economic collaboration of major US societies with the Nazis, I think the US has much to be ashamed of.
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
both the UK or US have little to be ashamed of.
I disagree. From the US behavior toward Jewish european immigration before[^] and during[^] WW2 to its refusal to bomb railways leading to Auschwitz[^] through the silence maintained on information got in 1942 and 1943 about the slaughters and the economic collaboration of major US societies with the Nazis, I think the US has much to be ashamed of.
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So it's not enough that the poor people were being gassed...You think they should have been bombed, too? I don't know what's more offensive...That comment, or the fact that your nation willingly permitted Germany to enter your country and round up your Jews.
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Rumour has it that he was into occultism.
Did you get that rumor from Indiana Jones?
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He sounds just like a Muslim!
espeir wrote:
He sounds just like a Muslim!
But he was a Christian and he believed he was following the Bible. Goes to show that fanatics in any religion mostly act and think the same way :-) Regards, Nish
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Yes, but I think if you look at some of the quotations of Mein Kampf you get a bit of a different idea of his "religious" views. They are highly distorted visions of Christianity. I talked about it in another post in this thread.
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espeir wrote:
He sounds just like a Muslim!
But he was a Christian and he believed he was following the Bible. Goes to show that fanatics in any religion mostly act and think the same way :-) Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Actually he suppressed Christian Churches in Germany and very infrequently invoked Christianity, so he was by no means a religious fanatic (if he was even a theist). The above quote was probably taken from a speech directed at pious people in order to win them over. In fact, he stopped attending church (he was Catholic as a youth) altogether as a teenager and discarded the teachings in favor of a secular-based aryan (derived from darwinism) mentality. His zeal was derived from secular nationalistic desires to expand his race. But I agree that fanatics (especially the atheist variety) act in similar ways.
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there is no doubt he considered himself a prophet... however the term of religious is IMHO misleading in this context
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Yes, that's why I put it in quotes.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
how is he different than osama who also thinks he the ONE who knows religion throughly and he can only end evil things from earth?The same hitler ideology is followed by Bush administration now.But if hypocricy is kept aside then Hitler should be treated as a practised christian like osama is treated as practised muslim
Look man, I'm not a Christian. I'm not religious at all. In fact, the Bible, the Qu'ran, what-have-you are nothing more than allegorical stories to me. Sure, the ideas and morals are nice, but beyond that they aren't worth taking seriously or fighting over. My bible is modern physics. It's much nicer than your typical religion-of-the-month because people of all colours and races can practice it without killing one another. That's the beauty of it. Furthermore, I don't support Hitler if that is what you are trying to imply. I also couldn't care less about the crap that spills out of the mouth of Hitler, Bush, Osama or whoever. They're all idiots. As far as I'm concerned Bush and Osama can have each other. Each one uses the other to justify his "cause". It's pretty stupid and equates to the behaviour of a 5 year old child. If people can't get along in this stupid world and stop arguing over petty things like religion, well then humanity deserves to be wiped out. It's pathetic. As for Hitler, well, he's a completely different story than Bush or Osama. Under his "rule", millions were killed and systematically exterminated in specialized camps. Neither Osama nor Bush are guilty of anything that serious.
thealj wrote:
In fact, the Bible, the Qu'ran, what-have-you are nothing more than allegorical stories to me. Sure, the ideas and morals are nice, but beyond that they aren't worth taking seriously or fighting over. My bible is modern physics. It's much nicer than your typical religion-of-the-month because people of all colours and races can practice it without killing one another. That's the beauty of it.
5! :) Regards, Nish
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Did you get that rumor from Indiana Jones?
No, but from various books and articles. Google "nazi occultism", and you'll find lots of information on the subject.
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Actually he suppressed Christian Churches in Germany and very infrequently invoked Christianity, so he was by no means a religious fanatic (if he was even a theist). The above quote was probably taken from a speech directed at pious people in order to win them over. In fact, he stopped attending church (he was Catholic as a youth) altogether as a teenager and discarded the teachings in favor of a secular-based aryan (derived from darwinism) mentality. His zeal was derived from secular nationalistic desires to expand his race. But I agree that fanatics (especially the atheist variety) act in similar ways.
espeir wrote:
The above quote was probably taken from a speech directed at pious people in order to win them over.
So you are saying that he didn't believe his own words from that speech? Are you suggesting that in his speech invoking his "Lord and Savior Jesus" he was lying? That he did not believe Jesus was his Lord and Savior? That he did not practice what he believed the Bible was telling him? And you know this .... how?
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Just like the KKK, communism and now Mulism extremists. Taking care of leftists has proven to be a long and arduous task, but we're making progress.
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thealj wrote:
In fact, the Bible, the Qu'ran, what-have-you are nothing more than allegorical stories to me. Sure, the ideas and morals are nice, but beyond that they aren't worth taking seriously or fighting over. My bible is modern physics. It's much nicer than your typical religion-of-the-month because people of all colours and races can practice it without killing one another. That's the beauty of it.
5! :) Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New):) I think I was on a roll there...
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thealj wrote:
In fact, the Bible, the Qu'ran, what-have-you are nothing more than allegorical stories to me. Sure, the ideas and morals are nice, but beyond that they aren't worth taking seriously or fighting over. My bible is modern physics. It's much nicer than your typical religion-of-the-month because people of all colours and races can practice it without killing one another. That's the beauty of it.
5! :) Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Ironically that's the same religion practiced by Hitler. Physicalism (the modern religion that most modern leftists follow without even realizing) was born out of Darwinism, which is the basis of eugenics and consequently the concept of an Aryan Nation.
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Ironically that's the same religion practiced by Hitler. Physicalism (the modern religion that most modern leftists follow without even realizing) was born out of Darwinism, which is the basis of eugenics and consequently the concept of an Aryan Nation.
Eugenics isn't a science. It's a perversion. The transition from Darwinisn to eugenics to Aryanism is hardly what I would call scientific. It's absurd to equate "physicalism" with the ideology of Hitler. Besides, physicalism is metaphysics. It's not science at all. :rolleyes:
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espeir wrote:
The above quote was probably taken from a speech directed at pious people in order to win them over.
So you are saying that he didn't believe his own words from that speech? Are you suggesting that in his speech invoking his "Lord and Savior Jesus" he was lying? That he did not believe Jesus was his Lord and Savior? That he did not practice what he believed the Bible was telling him? And you know this .... how?
led mike wrote:
So you are saying that he didn't believe his own words from that speech? Are you suggesting that in his speech invoking his "Lord and Savior Jesus" he was lying? That he did not believe Jesus was his Lord and Savior? That he did not practice what he believed the Bible was telling him? And you know this .... how?
It's not known with any certainty. What is known, however, is that: 1) He did not attend church. 2) He actively put the secular state above churches. 3) He actively suppressed churches. 4) He vocally rejected the Catholic Church (the one under which he was raised) when he became a teenager and did not subsequently join any others. 5) The philosophy of the Aryan Nation is a eugenics-based philosophy, which is implemented Darwinism. It was very atypical of Christians of the day to accept Darwinism (let alone practice it) as there was little scientific evidence supporting it. Germany was a very Christian nation back then, and he would not have had any success with the people if he had publicly condemned Christianity. However, he actively rejected it in his personal life and in practice approached it similarly to a modern day leftist.
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Eugenics isn't a science. It's a perversion. The transition from Darwinisn to eugenics to Aryanism is hardly what I would call scientific. It's absurd to equate "physicalism" with the ideology of Hitler. Besides, physicalism is metaphysics. It's not science at all. :rolleyes:
thealj wrote:
Eugenics isn't a science. It's a perversion.
Actually it technically falls under genetics and is even actively (and acceptably) being practiced in the UK today. Doctors have begun testing babies for "imperfections" in the womb so that they can be aborted if less than perfect. I agree that it is perverse, but it's definately a science and is based on the basis of physicalism.
thealj wrote:
The transition from Darwinisn to eugenics to Aryanism is hardly what I would call scientific.
Darwinism is the study of natural selection and eugenics is its practice. It's less of a leap than it is a step between the two.
thealj wrote:
It's absurd to equate "physicalism" with the ideology of Hitler. Besides, physicalism is metaphysics. It's not science at all.
Physicalism is the metaphysics of science. It states what it believes science implies. Whether you give any thought to metaphysics or not is really irrelevant. The fact is that your statement that modern physics is "your bible" means that you adhere to the beliefs of physicalism. It does not imply that you support eugenics, but to imply that Hitler's fanaticism grew out of Christianity is absurd, because it was clearly an implementation of Darwinism. -- modified at 11:19 Wednesday 14th June, 2006
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espeir wrote:
Taking care of leftists has proven to be a long and arduous task, but we're making progress.
Way to keep the "hate" alive... like any true follower of Christ.
Actually we're trying to eliminate the hate in a peaceful and intellectual way. We don't like people being manipulated into hating us, so we're waging an intellectual counterattack for the minds of our youth.
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thealj wrote:
Eugenics isn't a science. It's a perversion.
Actually it technically falls under genetics and is even actively (and acceptably) being practiced in the UK today. Doctors have begun testing babies for "imperfections" in the womb so that they can be aborted if less than perfect. I agree that it is perverse, but it's definately a science and is based on the basis of physicalism.
thealj wrote:
The transition from Darwinisn to eugenics to Aryanism is hardly what I would call scientific.
Darwinism is the study of natural selection and eugenics is its practice. It's less of a leap than it is a step between the two.
thealj wrote:
It's absurd to equate "physicalism" with the ideology of Hitler. Besides, physicalism is metaphysics. It's not science at all.
Physicalism is the metaphysics of science. It states what it believes science implies. Whether you give any thought to metaphysics or not is really irrelevant. The fact is that your statement that modern physics is "your bible" means that you adhere to the beliefs of physicalism. It does not imply that you support eugenics, but to imply that Hitler's fanaticism grew out of Christianity is absurd, because it was clearly an implementation of Darwinism. -- modified at 11:19 Wednesday 14th June, 2006
espeir wrote:
Actually it technically falls under genetics and is even actively (and acceptably) being in the UK today. Doctors have begun testing babies for "imperfections" in the womb so that they can be aborted if less than perfect. I agree that it is perverse, but it's definately a science and is based on the basis of physicalism.
Eugenics is a philosophy. It is not a science being practiced. It is a social issue. While genetic testing may aid it's acceptance/rejection, the fact that genetic tests are utilized does not a science make it. If anything, it's a social program.
espeir wrote:
Darwinism is the study of natural selection and eugenics is its practice. It's less of a leap than it is a step between the two.
Eugenics is not the practice of Darwinism. Eugenics is pre-selective breeding. There's a huge difference.
espeir wrote:
Physicalism is the metaphysics of science. It states what it believes science implies. Whether you give any thought to metaphysics or not is really irrelevant. The fact is that your statement that modern physics is "your bible" means that you adhere to the beliefs of physicalism. It does not imply that you support eugenics, but to imply that Hitler's fanaticism grew out of Christianity is absurd, because it was clearly an implementation of Darwinism.
Stating that I use modern physics as my bible is not philosophically tantamount to stating I believe in physicalism. Physicalism is monist theory in disguise (see: monads) for which we have Leibniz to "thank". Don't be fooled. While believers in metaphysics claim that they support physics, this isn't actually true. They accept the existence of stupid intangibles such as "qualia". It's ridiculous, not to mention nonphysical, and no better than a religious argument. You make think it's the same thing, but as a practitioner, I reject it utterly and completely.
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thealj wrote:
Eugenics isn't a science. It's a perversion.
Actually it technically falls under genetics and is even actively (and acceptably) being practiced in the UK today. Doctors have begun testing babies for "imperfections" in the womb so that they can be aborted if less than perfect. I agree that it is perverse, but it's definately a science and is based on the basis of physicalism.
thealj wrote:
The transition from Darwinisn to eugenics to Aryanism is hardly what I would call scientific.
Darwinism is the study of natural selection and eugenics is its practice. It's less of a leap than it is a step between the two.
thealj wrote:
It's absurd to equate "physicalism" with the ideology of Hitler. Besides, physicalism is metaphysics. It's not science at all.
Physicalism is the metaphysics of science. It states what it believes science implies. Whether you give any thought to metaphysics or not is really irrelevant. The fact is that your statement that modern physics is "your bible" means that you adhere to the beliefs of physicalism. It does not imply that you support eugenics, but to imply that Hitler's fanaticism grew out of Christianity is absurd, because it was clearly an implementation of Darwinism. -- modified at 11:19 Wednesday 14th June, 2006
espeir wrote:
imply that Hitler's fanaticism grew out of Christianity is absurd, because it was clearly an implementation of Darwinism.
Guffaw.
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Yes, that was the impression I was getting. Holocaust, Shmolocaust, what about Palestine? No wonder Jews are leaving France in droves. Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Unfortunately, many other ACTUAL problems are left behind, in favor of Holocaust and related topic. I don't mean that Holocaust was not a big problem, but it is no more actual.... :wtf: