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leckey wrote:
Um, I just thought I'd come in and represent the Jewish community to this discussion.
Judah has been active in this thread - though he's not the typical Jew :-) It was he who taught me what a Jew means, I always thought it was a religion. Regards, Nish
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The rest of the planet should take notice of you two. :)
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
The rest of the planet should take notice of you two.
Maybe a comic strip - Adnan and Judah - that shows how two people, who strongly believe in 2 mutually incompatible faiths, get along fine as friends :-) Regards, Nish
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I read once that Louis XIV once asked an advisor, "Show me a miracle" and the advisor replied, "The Jews". The fact that everyone has tried to kill them and they are still around! My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
The rest of the planet should take notice of you two.
Maybe a comic strip - Adnan and Judah - that shows how two people, who strongly believe in 2 mutually incompatible faiths, get along fine as friends :-) Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
in 2 mutually incompatible faiths
They're only incompatible if you make them to be. :)
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His user profile depicts Judah as being Christian so unless he converted I don't think he is in the best place to be teaching others what it means to be a Jew.
leckey wrote:
His user profile depicts Judah as being Christian so unless he converted I don't think he is in the best place to be teaching others what it means to be a Jew.
He's a Jew who believes that Jesus C was the messenger. Regards, Nish
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Are you jealous ?
Why would i be? Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
in 2 mutually incompatible faiths
They're only incompatible if you make them to be. :)
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
They're only incompatible if you make them to be.
Nope - that's what I thought too. Read CG's posts on the matter. None of the religions are compatible with each other - a partial exception being Moderate Hinduism (though Hindus may disagree with me). Regards, Nish
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Christian Graus wrote:
Are you jealous ?
Why would i be? Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
Why would i be?
Because no one's made a 100+ posts in 3 hours thread for you :rolleyes: Regards, Nish
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leckey wrote:
His user profile depicts Judah as being Christian so unless he converted I don't think he is in the best place to be teaching others what it means to be a Jew.
He's a Jew who believes that Jesus C was the messenger. Regards, Nish
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
They're only incompatible if you make them to be.
Nope - that's what I thought too. Read CG's posts on the matter. None of the religions are compatible with each other - a partial exception being Moderate Hinduism (though Hindus may disagree with me). Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Ah, yes. I was thinking about the humans practicing the religions. Sorry about that. :)
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Jason Henderson wrote:
The question is not, "Why did God make this particular way to him, the only way?"
I don't really have that question. I was more interested in what the Christian understanding was on how God would see a non-beliver who was a very good person and who lived a very good kind life.
Jason Henderson wrote:
The question is, "Why was God so merciful to those that disobey him, that he gave us any means of salvation?"
What disobedience are you talking about?
Jason Henderson wrote:
AND, "With such a simple plan of salvation, why haven't I followed it?"
If I was born to Christian parents who strongly instilled Christian beliefs in me as a child, I may have taken it. But (luckily I think) I was born to moderate Hindu parents, who allowed me to have my atheist views about life, and so I actually could choose what I wanted to believe. I understand what you are saying though. Know this because I have a few Christian friends, normally very good people, but at times, just a tad hyper-religious. Regards, Nish
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I don't really have that question. I was more interested in what the Christian understanding was on how God would see a non-beliver who was a very good person and who lived a very good kind life.
Did the non-believer hear God's message? If so, then there is no excuse. If not, then I believe the Bible says that person will be judged by God based on his own conscience.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
What disobedience are you talking about?
Everyone has done something wrong (sinned). What you have done wrong is a wrong against God. Lying, cheating, stealing, being selfish, etc.
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leckey wrote:
His user profile depicts Judah as being Christian so unless he converted I don't think he is in the best place to be teaching others what it means to be a Jew.
He's a Jew who believes that Jesus C was the messenger. Regards, Nish
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
The rest of the planet should take notice of you two.
Maybe a comic strip - Adnan and Judah - that shows how two people, who strongly believe in 2 mutually incompatible faiths, get along fine as friends :-) Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I don't really have that question. I was more interested in what the Christian understanding was on how God would see a non-beliver who was a very good person and who lived a very good kind life.
Did the non-believer hear God's message? If so, then there is no excuse. If not, then I believe the Bible says that person will be judged by God based on his own conscience.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
What disobedience are you talking about?
Everyone has done something wrong (sinned). What you have done wrong is a wrong against God. Lying, cheating, stealing, being selfish, etc.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
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Did the non-believer hear God's message? If so, then there is no excuse. If not, then I believe the Bible says that person will be judged by God based on his own conscience.
Thanks - that's what I was looking for. But I still find it weird that, a person (assume he's heard God's message) chooses to ignore God, but lives a perfectly kind, good, and self-less life; yet God's not happy with him. What would be the basis for this sort of reaction to a non-believer? Wouldn't this guy be a much better human being than a believer who's a drunkard and a nuisance to all around him? Regards, Nish
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leckey wrote:
Do you know if his mother was a practicing Jew?
I don't know that. Regards, Nish
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By definition, he is a Christian, of Hebrew descent? As were the first Christians. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
By definition, he is a Christian, of Hebrew descent? As were the first Christians.
I believe what Judah told me was that I was confusing Judaists with Jews. Apparently, not all Jews are Judaists. Regards, Nish
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kgaddy wrote:
By definition, he is a Christian, of Hebrew descent? As were the first Christians.
I believe what Judah told me was that I was confusing Judaists with Jews. Apparently, not all Jews are Judaists. Regards, Nish
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Judah Himango wrote:
instead you become slaves to addictions that you can ruin your life with
It does not require faith in God to resist short term pleasure in favour of long term peace with yourself and for the good of those you love. There's a fair strain of acetism in both the pre christian philosophies of Stoicism and epicurism which influenced Christian theology, as well as in the writings of Atheist enlightenment philosophers like John Stewart Mill. Faith in the supernatural, and certainly faith in the specific models of the supernatural specified by monotheistic religion is not required to live a life free from the reckless indulgence of animal desire. It requires will and good counsel, if your faith aids you with that, so be it. Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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I guess I have a logical objection to it: if there is no God, aren't right and wrong nothing but human conjecture? Are there any real rights and wrongs universally speaking, or is everything relative? If the basis for morality is one's own perception of good and evil, the problem is easy to spot: one's perception can change on the whim; in fact, your own desires for doing evil things can affect your perception of good and evil and even influence you to believe an evil is not actually evil, thus defeating any perceived idea of right and wrongs. In other words, such a system is not far from doing whatever you see fit. Maybe you have your own ideas of right and wrong, but if you so desire, a wrong will quickly become a right. Such is not a moral system at all, but a lawless system based on the good intentions and strong will of humanity, both of which crumble easily when pittted against human desire.
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Jason Henderson wrote:
Did the non-believer hear God's message? If so, then there is no excuse. If not, then I believe the Bible says that person will be judged by God based on his own conscience.
Thanks - that's what I was looking for. But I still find it weird that, a person (assume he's heard God's message) chooses to ignore God, but lives a perfectly kind, good, and self-less life; yet God's not happy with him. What would be the basis for this sort of reaction to a non-believer? Wouldn't this guy be a much better human being than a believer who's a drunkard and a nuisance to all around him? Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Thanks - that's what I was looking for. But I still find it weird that, a person (assume he's heard God's message) chooses to ignore God, but lives a perfectly kind, good, and self-less life; yet God's not happy with him. What would be the basis for this sort of reaction to a non-believer? Wouldn't this guy be a much better human being than a believer who's a drunkard and a nuisance to all around him?
God is not happy with him because he rejected God's message through his Son. They think they can still go to heaven because they are good. But no one is perfectly good. Jesus was a sacrifice for our sins. For those who follow him, he will stand between them and God, and vouch for them in the time of judgement (he took their sins upon himself). Those who did not follow him will still have their sins. The wages of sin is death. The believer who is a drunkard and a nuisance is probably not a believer. A believer is one that turns away from these things and tries his best to emulate Christ. Occasionally Christians stumble, but repentance and asking for forgiveness is all that is required to be forgiven once you are in Christ. Matthew 21:28-32 What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, 'Son, go and work today in the vineyard.' 'I will not,' he answered, but later he changed his mind and went. Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, 'I will, sir,' but he did not go. "Which of the two did what his father wanted?" "The first," they answered. Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
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Extremely well-worded and well-argued posting, Bassam :-) Regards, Nish
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