Whoa: No more Bill?
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Kent Sharkey wrote:
Whoa: No more Bill?
For a moment i thought you were talking about Bill SerGio[^] :-D
**You know you're obsessed with computer graphics when you're outside and you look up at the trees and think, "Wow! That's spectacular resolution!"
**Aaah yes, the man who's full of his own initials. I thought that's who he meant as well at first.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Aaah yes, the man who's full of his own initials. I thought that's who he meant as well at first.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Microsoft's stock has been declining for two years. Vista has gone way over schedule. The quality of Visual Studio 2006 is an embarassment. The company has a profound inability to come to grips with its legal problems, even if those legal problems are unfair in any way. The list goes on. Steve Balmer is the leader of this growing disaster. Blaming vice-presidents and shuffling around management is a poor attempt to divert attention from his failures as CEO. However effective he may be at making Microsoft employees feel about themselves, his first obligation is to the stockholders and customers of the company and in that he is becoming a failure. Worse, if Microsoft continues along its current course, it will start to lose those leaders who are genuinely talented and have a lot to offer--seriously, all other factors aside, who wants to be a wants to answer to CEO who runs around on the stage, sweating like a pig and screaming? Who wants to answer to a CEO who throws chairs across a room? Hey, I'm the first in line when it comes to being verbally passionate about my products, but I don't cross the line into craziness. I hasten to add that a bigger problem with Balmer screaming that he'll "kill Google" while throwing a chair across the room is that it illustrates just how poorly Balmer understands the current market and business situation. Google is a threat to Microsoft only because Microsoft lets them be by treating customers badly and churning out crap and then overcharging for it. Microsoft is a threat to itself because of its arrogance, typified by Balmer. (The hatred of Google is also very bad for business; Ray Noorda ran Novell into the ground in a personal vendetta against Microsoft [I worked there at the time.]) Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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From Microsoft's Presspass: Microsoft chairman Bill Gates transitioning out of company in 2008[^] Bill Gates will transition out of a day-to-day role in Microsoft effective July 2008 to spend more time on his global health and education work at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, and will continue to serve as the company’s chairman and an advisor on key development projects. Ray Ozzie assumes the title of chief software architect and will begin working side by side with Gates on all technical architecture and product oversight responsibilities, while Craig Mundie takes the new title of chief research and strategy officer and will work closely with Gates to assume his responsibility for the company’s research and incubation efforts. -------------- TTFN - Kent
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Yes, because heaven knows that younger people are far superior to old dogs in every way imaginable. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Christopher Duncan wrote:
Yes, because heaven knows that younger people are far superior to old dogs in every way imaginable.
Sarcasm, right? Well, in my vast experience of the world (more sarcasm) I've often had to deal with "older" or "senior" members of the team that were too rigid, too stuck in their ways. In some cases, like a company I did some consulting for that manufactures communication satellites, the fact that the senior managers and older engineers wouldn't/couldn't embrace new technologies literally cost the company millions of dollars in lost productivity and sales. It was in this case, measurable. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
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Well, with Microsoft's stock being lackluster for the last three years, something needs to change. It's probably a good idea actually, let newer/younger people start guiding the company with ideas. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
Marc Clifton wrote:
Well, with Microsoft's stock being lackluster for the last three years
Not sure I would frame it that way. When you look at MS stock from 1990 until now, you can see a different picture. Although there was a spike in 1999-2002, there was a huge dot com bubble at that time. The amazing thing is that Microsoft leadership have fought off about every attack known to business and still continue to make the company survive. Ever time Microsoft makes an addition to there OS, they face large legal battles even though other OS manufactures include more features. So, coming through the dot com rise and fall, battling people, companies and countries trying to sue them out of business, facing an unjust negative view from the masses as being some horrible monster that is worse that Satan, being labeled by the government as a monoply (while other OS's grow and build), I think they have done an outstanding job! Both Bill and Balmer are extreamly intelligent people and have made it through very difficult times. Although Balmer is a bit of a wild card, that is a good portion of his job, to rally the forces, to be radical to inspire by about any means. That does not mean his does not have a temper though :) One documentary I watched about Microsoft, explained some of the early years and more about what the headship was all about. I beleive Bill is owed much respect from the computer field, even though at times he did allow things to visit the dark side. However, the majority of people, if they where in his shoes, would have done much worse and the industry would have paid the price. When I read about this move, it caused me a bit of concern as to what it will mean to Microsoft in the long haul, but I figure Bill will keep an eye on everything to make sure it continues on for decades bringing stability to the computer field. Just my $02.5 view ;) Rocky <>< Latest Post: Visual Studio 2005 Standard, whats missing? Blog: www.RockyMoore.com/TheCoder/[^]
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
Yes, because heaven knows that younger people are far superior to old dogs in every way imaginable.
Sarcasm, right? Well, in my vast experience of the world (more sarcasm) I've often had to deal with "older" or "senior" members of the team that were too rigid, too stuck in their ways. In some cases, like a company I did some consulting for that manufactures communication satellites, the fact that the senior managers and older engineers wouldn't/couldn't embrace new technologies literally cost the company millions of dollars in lost productivity and sales. It was in this case, measurable. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
You have to remember that I come from a more idealistic time. Consequently, I instinctively rebel against discrimination against any group based on stereotypes. I've spent the better part of my life quietly fighting against racism, sexism and other forms of ill conceived and poorly thought out perceptions. I do realize that it's unrealistic given the capacity for human stupidity and the herd instinct :baaaa!: but I nonetheless believe that individuals should be judged by who they are and how they behave, not by which label that they can conveniently be tagged with. The idiots and the inspired exist within every classification. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
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Feeling a *bit* old and grumpy today? :laugh: "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner" - Ross Edbert Sydney, Australia
Just grumpy. :-D Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
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:) Sorry for the little typo. It was meant to be M_S_ and not MD. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
Marylanders? I thought he meant Medical Doctors - typically VERY computer illiterate. They mostly probably don't even know who Bill Gates is and all that :rolleyes: I've seen better runs in my shorts! - Patches O'Houlihan
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I don't know much about Steve Balmer's attitude and even thought he's made a foul of himself doing that monkey dance, I wouln't call a liability to the company based solely on that dance. But then again, I don't know much about his attitude in general. Maybe you can enlighten me. regards, Mircea Many people spend their life going to sleep when they’re not sleepy and waking up while they still are.
Wow! He fouled himself as well, then he has GOT to go :~ I've seen better runs in my shorts! - Patches O'Houlihan
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You have to remember that I come from a more idealistic time. Consequently, I instinctively rebel against discrimination against any group based on stereotypes. I've spent the better part of my life quietly fighting against racism, sexism and other forms of ill conceived and poorly thought out perceptions. I do realize that it's unrealistic given the capacity for human stupidity and the herd instinct :baaaa!: but I nonetheless believe that individuals should be judged by who they are and how they behave, not by which label that they can conveniently be tagged with. The idiots and the inspired exist within every classification. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Christopher Duncan wrote:
You have to remember that I come from a more idealistic time.
Hehe. I suppose my experience has been more realistic. :) Realistic, not to denegrate your experience, but as a counterpoint to idealism, which I have, sadly, rarely experienced in people, meaning, my experiences have shown people rarely strive for the ideal.
Christopher Duncan wrote:
but I nonetheless believe that individuals should be judged by who they are and how they behave
It's funny you mention that, because I was thinking recently about how stereotypes and racism start, and in particular, how I'm noticing that the various news blurbs about Islam, Iran, and Iraq are doing a very good job of instilling extreme prejudice. It's interesting being aware of the process as an adult rather than feeling like a prejudice has always lived in me, as frankly, I feel regarding black people as a result of the racism/prejudices of my parents and my media exposure as a child.
Christopher Duncan wrote:
The idiots and the inspired exist within every classification.
Yes they do. Which is better--to assume the noblest in people, or to assume the worst? Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
You have to remember that I come from a more idealistic time.
Hehe. I suppose my experience has been more realistic. :) Realistic, not to denegrate your experience, but as a counterpoint to idealism, which I have, sadly, rarely experienced in people, meaning, my experiences have shown people rarely strive for the ideal.
Christopher Duncan wrote:
but I nonetheless believe that individuals should be judged by who they are and how they behave
It's funny you mention that, because I was thinking recently about how stereotypes and racism start, and in particular, how I'm noticing that the various news blurbs about Islam, Iran, and Iraq are doing a very good job of instilling extreme prejudice. It's interesting being aware of the process as an adult rather than feeling like a prejudice has always lived in me, as frankly, I feel regarding black people as a result of the racism/prejudices of my parents and my media exposure as a child.
Christopher Duncan wrote:
The idiots and the inspired exist within every classification.
Yes they do. Which is better--to assume the noblest in people, or to assume the worst? Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
Marc Clifton wrote:
Yes they do. Which is better--to assume the noblest in people, or to assume the worst?
A most worthy question. Which do you believe is better? Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Yes they do. Which is better--to assume the noblest in people, or to assume the worst?
A most worthy question. Which do you believe is better? Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Christopher Duncan wrote:
Which do you believe is better?
I find myself going back and forth. I'll assume the best until I have some bad experiences, then I'll be down and pessimistic and assume the worst for a while, at some point I'll think, geez, that's no way to go through life. At some point, I realized that what makes for a disappointing experience, or for a great experience, is in a large part my own emotional attachment to the experience. Then I realized, emotional detachment pretty much takes the whole point of living out of life. So finally, I came to the conclusion that the emotional aspect of working with other people IS the interesting point of it, at least one of them. At least, that's the ideal. So, the question then seems to apply more to whether or not I feel someone is going to cause me actual bodily (or say, financial/person property) harm. And frankly, that really isn't an issue living out here in farm country--most of the neighbors still don't lock their doors! And the idea of terrorism is not only so impersonal, it's also totally out of my control. As to other people's attitudes, that's a double edged sword. Some people, if you assume the worst from them, behave that way, while others try to prove you wrong. Others, if you assume they're the best, get lazy and slack off, while some try to continue to be worthy of that assumption. So, in this short, incomplete, and probably poorly thought out reasoning, I think the answer is that every situation has to be evaluated individually. Which was a long, convoluted path to getting to your point. :) Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
Which do you believe is better?
I find myself going back and forth. I'll assume the best until I have some bad experiences, then I'll be down and pessimistic and assume the worst for a while, at some point I'll think, geez, that's no way to go through life. At some point, I realized that what makes for a disappointing experience, or for a great experience, is in a large part my own emotional attachment to the experience. Then I realized, emotional detachment pretty much takes the whole point of living out of life. So finally, I came to the conclusion that the emotional aspect of working with other people IS the interesting point of it, at least one of them. At least, that's the ideal. So, the question then seems to apply more to whether or not I feel someone is going to cause me actual bodily (or say, financial/person property) harm. And frankly, that really isn't an issue living out here in farm country--most of the neighbors still don't lock their doors! And the idea of terrorism is not only so impersonal, it's also totally out of my control. As to other people's attitudes, that's a double edged sword. Some people, if you assume the worst from them, behave that way, while others try to prove you wrong. Others, if you assume they're the best, get lazy and slack off, while some try to continue to be worthy of that assumption. So, in this short, incomplete, and probably poorly thought out reasoning, I think the answer is that every situation has to be evaluated individually. Which was a long, convoluted path to getting to your point. :) Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
The important thing is that you've clearly spent a lot of time doing your own thinking, which I applaud. :) Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
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i hope he checks-in all his code before he goes. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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I think his departure from MS will not have any immediate or short-term impact on how and what MD does. Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
Yeah, he has been phasing himself out ever since the DOJ thing. Why not, he has nothing to prove in the business world and the industry is far less interesting these days as it matures. Even if you don't like him in the business arena, I believe the world will come to appreciate him on a whole new level as he puts time into his philanthropy. He's always talked about putting his wealth to good use when he was older. He's changed the world in the technology arena now we'll see him make some real changes in other areas. Hopefully people will get to see what a decent dude he realy is. I didn't like working for the guy, but I have to respect what he's accomplished. McNealy, Case and Ellison are white-trash punks by comparison. NIK
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Yeah, he has been phasing himself out ever since the DOJ thing. Why not, he has nothing to prove in the business world and the industry is far less interesting these days as it matures. Even if you don't like him in the business arena, I believe the world will come to appreciate him on a whole new level as he puts time into his philanthropy. He's always talked about putting his wealth to good use when he was older. He's changed the world in the technology arena now we'll see him make some real changes in other areas. Hopefully people will get to see what a decent dude he realy is. I didn't like working for the guy, but I have to respect what he's accomplished. McNealy, Case and Ellison are white-trash punks by comparison. NIK
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Yeah, he has been phasing himself out ever since the DOJ thing. Why not, he has nothing to prove in the business world and the industry is far less interesting these days as it matures. Even if you don't like him in the business arena, I believe the world will come to appreciate him on a whole new level as he puts time into his philanthropy. He's always talked about putting his wealth to good use when he was older. He's changed the world in the technology arena now we'll see him make some real changes in other areas. Hopefully people will get to see what a decent dude he realy is. I didn't like working for the guy, but I have to respect what he's accomplished. McNealy, Case and Ellison are white-trash punks by comparison. NIK
Mis-statement on my part. Should have said "didn't always like working for his company". Bill never gave me a reason to dislike, not that I ever worked for him directly. I had some great experiences there, that I couldn't have had anywhere else, but I paid a high price personally (marriage, friendships, health) in order to be successful. I also saw some sleazy moves by mamagement (manipulating performance reviews for friends, over-working teams in one area to resource per-projects, etc.) that really disappointed me. Granted, those things CAN happen anywhere, but the culture there was so competetive that it predisposed people towards it. Glad to have been there, glad to have moved on. As I said, I consider Bill a cut aqbove his peers and worthy of great respect. NIK