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You missed one. ;P I don't smoke, don't do drugs (aside from morphine while I was in hospital in '03, and boy was that wierd. I can see where heroin addicts come from now), drink caffeine and alcohol in great moderation and have a largely vegetarian diet. Mind you I'm a transsexual lesbian, so what would I know? ;P Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
I didn't say all the liberals are drug users. I said all the drug users are liberals.
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I don't agree with them at all, but why are they really against the law? Who cares of a drughead kills themselve on a OD or something? It's their life right? Why is it our place to tell them how to live it as long as they don't hurt anyone else? For that matter, alcohol and smokes are dugs too. Why are those ok and not others? It's like the govt. says you can only dope yourself up on this stuff and not that. Oh look, like magic we can tax this too because you can't grow it in your backyard. Jeremy Falcon
Interesting side fact here: Did you know that some medicines--pain meds--now cost so much that seniors are turning to illegal drugs such as meth to supplement their pain meds? It's a growing trend.
“Profanity is the attempt of a lazy and feeble mind to express itself forcefully”
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espeir wrote:
Even though alcoholism can supposedly be pretty bad, I have never myself witnessed any ill effects (except for the temporary ones) that precipitated from its over-use. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen because it does, but there is just not the correlation to people who drink. Of course there's no correlation with smoking either.
A couple of years back I knew someone who was alcoholic. It was a frightening thing to see - not least because of his violent behaviour, particularly when he was trying to extort money to buy alcohol. I honestly wouldn't wish that experience on anyone. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
I agree that it exists, but in my experience drugs have always caused personal downfalls while alcohol has been used primarily in a social context. Like I said, I think it may just take a weak person to turn to a chemical escape from reality (whether that be from alcohol or drugs) and perhaps drugs are just more effective so that's where people turn. Or it could be the opposite and drugs actually destroy people. I don't know which. However, I do believe that whether the decline of the soul begins before or after drug use, drugs inevitably accelerate (or create) the condition. If people turn instead to others for support (and access to chemical relief is restricted) they stand a good chance of bettering themselves rather than destroying themselves. Whether they choose to admit it or not, drugs prey on people with weak personalities...The type of people who need to be protected from themselves.
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In my life I've seen a 100% correlation between drug use and a significant decline in one's ability to cope with various aspects of life. That includes numerous people I've know who have done everything from pot to ecstasy, etc... Even though alcoholism can supposedly be pretty bad, I have never myself witnessed any ill effects (except for the temporary ones) that precipitated from its over-use. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen because it does, but there is just not the correlation to people who drink. Of course there's no correlation with smoking either. I don't know if people gravitate towards drugs because of a basic weakness in their life or if that weakness comes from drugs (i.e. I can't determine causality). But I can say with 100% certainty that in my personal experience there is a 100% correlation. I therefore support its restriction.
espeir wrote:
Even though alcoholism can supposedly be pretty bad, I have never myself witnessed any ill effects (except for the temporary ones) that precipitated from its over-use. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen because it does, but there is just not the correlation to people who drink
:wtf: Cirrhosis
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espeir wrote:
Even though alcoholism can supposedly be pretty bad, I have never myself witnessed any ill effects (except for the temporary ones) that precipitated from its over-use. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen because it does, but there is just not the correlation to people who drink
:wtf: Cirrhosis
Which I have never witnessed. And Cirrhosis occurs after a lifetime of heavy drinking. It's like the lung cancer of alcoholics.
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Which I have never witnessed. And Cirrhosis occurs after a lifetime of heavy drinking. It's like the lung cancer of alcoholics.
espeir wrote:
And Cirrhosis occurs after a lifetime of heavy drinking
Heavy drinking can result in death from Cirrhosis in the early 40s. Of course "death" occurs after a lengthy and costly interaction with the medical community normally resulting in hospitalization. And I would consider being hospitalized and then dead is "a significant decline in one's ability to cope with various aspects of life".
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I didn't say all the liberals are drug users. I said all the drug users are liberals.
Not in the UK they aren't, believe me. ;) Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Mind you I'm a transsexual lesbian, so what would I know?
Interestingly, and possibly semi-factually, most people would associate drugs and alcohol with a transsexual - it's all those movies I guess. People like you have to constantly disprove that idea I suppose. It's probably a little like how some people think that heavy metal fans are all devil worshippers. Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)I've seen a few myself on the streets , and all I can suggest is that if you're messed up, you're more likely to end up out on your ear than if you are well adjusted and in tune with yourself and your surroundings. That effect is magnified in areas which openly discriminate or persecute those who are marginalised or don't fit in in some way or another. However, most of us transition quietly and without fuss. We aren't that visible (although that's changing - go and look on Lynne Conway's Transsexual Women's Successes[^] page!), so what most people see are those who are most obvious or sensationalist stories in the media.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
It's probably a little like how some people think that heavy metal fans are all devil worshippers.
Quite possibly. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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I agree that it exists, but in my experience drugs have always caused personal downfalls while alcohol has been used primarily in a social context. Like I said, I think it may just take a weak person to turn to a chemical escape from reality (whether that be from alcohol or drugs) and perhaps drugs are just more effective so that's where people turn. Or it could be the opposite and drugs actually destroy people. I don't know which. However, I do believe that whether the decline of the soul begins before or after drug use, drugs inevitably accelerate (or create) the condition. If people turn instead to others for support (and access to chemical relief is restricted) they stand a good chance of bettering themselves rather than destroying themselves. Whether they choose to admit it or not, drugs prey on people with weak personalities...The type of people who need to be protected from themselves.
I agree. I've seen people destroyed by both drugs (even Cannabis if you take enough of it) and - more recently - by alcohol. Both can be equally devastating in their effects, but like you, I normally only encounter alcohol in a social context. The same can be said for cannabis - I don't use it, but I know others who do, again in a social context rather than in the context of addiction. I won't go near anyone doing hard drugs though - seeing a housemate doing speed in the kitchen once was once too many, thank you. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
t's their life right? Why is it our place to tell them how to live it as long as they don't hurt anyone else?
Funny, could say the same thing about gays and gay marriage. You won't though, of course.
Wjousts wrote:
Funny, could say the same thing about gays and gay marriage. You won't though, of course.
Funny, some people refuse to learn. For one, I do NOT approve of drugs, just as I do NOT approve of the gay lifestyle. But, it's not illegal to be gay now is it? The fact of the matter is, if someone wants to kill themselves with drugs b/c they are stupid or butt fuck other guys b/c they are stupid, then it's their choice. I'm not for either one. I'm very much against the hypocrisy of it though. It's not natural to be gay, but people act like it is. It's not natural to fuck animals, but well that's just gross. And the list goes on and on. Now, to the point... again. Why does the govt. care? Especially when they allow the sale of other shit that will kill us too? Jeremy Falcon
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Wjousts wrote:
Funny, could say the same thing about gays and gay marriage. You won't though, of course.
Give him time. Young Jeremy is developing into a real libertarian lately.
:laugh: Well, I think both left and right have points to be heard. I just tend to cherry pick which ones I agree and don't agree with. I'm weird that way. Jeremy Falcon
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I would broadly tend to agree, but there are some issues: 1 - in theory, making something legal means that society approves of people taking it 2 - when you have public health, allowing people to abuse themselves costs everyone money. This is the main reason tobacco should be outlawed, although it may as well be, the amount the government spends on making it hard to smoke and easy to stop. 3 - the reason tobacco and alcohol are legal is simply that they are too entrenched and make the govt too much money for them to be done away with. LSD was legal for a while, for example. The side effect is that drugs cost so much that addicts can't NOT hurt anyone else. Because there are limited legal means of making the money you need to support a habit. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
1 - in theory, making something legal means that society approves of people taking it
I see with your point, and I agree.
Christian Graus wrote:
the reason tobacco and alcohol are legal is simply that they are too entrenched and make the govt too much money for them to be done away with.
I have a feeling that the money is the main reason. But, people are always acting like drugs are bad, drugs are bad. And yet, they drink and smoke a shitload. Well... hello!
Christian Graus wrote:
LSD was legal for a while, for example.
:wtf: That's news to me.
Christian Graus wrote:
The side effect is that drugs cost so much that addicts can't NOT hurt anyone else. Because there are limited legal means of making the money you need to support a habit.
I agree, but like with cigarettes and booze, I think the reason they do cost so much is because they are illegal. A catch 22 ya know. Jeremy Falcon
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espeir wrote:
And Cirrhosis occurs after a lifetime of heavy drinking
Heavy drinking can result in death from Cirrhosis in the early 40s. Of course "death" occurs after a lengthy and costly interaction with the medical community normally resulting in hospitalization. And I would consider being hospitalized and then dead is "a significant decline in one's ability to cope with various aspects of life".
But you know what else causes Cirrhosis? Hepatitis C...Google tells me that half of all Cirrhosis is the result of Heptitis C, and intraveinous drug users are actually at the highest risk of contracting it (yes, I actually did know an older drug user who actually had liver cancer because of the Hepatitis C he contracted). Let's also not forget AIDS...And the thousands of drug overdoses per year. Besides, I didn't condone a lifetime of heavy drinking. I said that my personal experience leads me to believe that drugs are much more damaging than alcohol. Pretty much everyone I know and have known drinks to some capacity and none of them have had their lives altered by it...Maybe some of their evenings.
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Anything that makes you slur words, stumble, pass out, vommit, halucinate, or slow your reflexes probably it's not the best thing for ya.... That's why it's illegal...that's why. "C++ will solve any problem."
Damn being sleepy... Jeremy Falcon
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Christian Graus wrote:
The side effect is that drugs cost so much that addicts can't NOT hurt anyone else. Because there are limited legal means of making the money you need to support a habit.
Not to mention the stuff people do when under the influence of drugs. With alcohol, you can be drunk, moderately drunk, and you can be really drunk. With drugs, you are always going to be in a dangerous state - there's no "light" effect with drugs. Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
With drugs, you are always going to be in a dangerous state - there's no "light" effect with drugs.
I think this can also differ depending on the person. Granted, I've never taken all of the drugs in the world (and I'm glad for it), but I've seen people get really stupid/angry just off of beer alone. Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Who cares of a drughead kills themselve
Their family. Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
Their family.
Well yeah. :-D I mean by and large though. Jeremy Falcon
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Only users lose drugs. I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
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Totally agreed. The amount of wasted tax money chasing, arresting and locking up people who are committing victimless crimes (an adult who purchases a product without duress is in no way a victim) is pretty damn terrifying. The black market created through the narcotics trade also helps to fund an underclass - whole areas of large cities are dependent on the black market, often brutalising and alienating those who grow up in them. The argument that keeping them illegal sends out the correct message - that society disapproves of it is pretty poor, given the sheer numbers involved in the casual use of narcotics. I no longer use illicit drugs (except for Salvia Divinorum, very occasionally), I simply don't enjoy the lifestyle any more. Good scotch, decent beer and cigarettes(unfortunately) are another matter :) Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Well, I'm still pretty mixed up on the matter myself. I'm just want to know why the govt. is saying X is so bad for you and digusting, but Y is ok and legal when they pretty much do the same thing. Jeremy Falcon
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So its OK for a drug user to do what they want in private but not OK for homosexuals? Anyway, sure, society is two-faced and a hypocrite. It tolerates alcohol, a very toxic drug, that causes a lot of problems, but bans dope. Speed was legal in the 50s, it was given to people to help them loose weight, and to soldiers to help stay awake. Cocaine was legal in the 19th century in the UK. In the 18th century, the UK went to war with China to protect its opium market. The UK was selling opium to the Chinesse! We were pushers! Just 150 years ago! Nunc est bibendum
fat_boy wrote:
So its OK for a drug user to do what they want in private but not OK for homosexuals?
I never said drugs were ok. Read my reply to Wjousts for more.
fat_boy wrote:
Anyway, sure, society is two-faced and a hypocrite. It tolerates alcohol, a very toxic drug, that causes a lot of problems, but bans dope.
That's the problem. Society is a reflection of people. People by and large are stupid.
fat_boy wrote:
Speed was legal in the 50s, it was given to people to help them loose weight, and to soldiers to help stay awake.
Go figure. Jeremy Falcon
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fat_boy wrote:
So its OK for a drug user to do what they want in private but not OK for homosexuals?
I never said drugs were ok. Read my reply to Wjousts for more.
fat_boy wrote:
Anyway, sure, society is two-faced and a hypocrite. It tolerates alcohol, a very toxic drug, that causes a lot of problems, but bans dope.
That's the problem. Society is a reflection of people. People by and large are stupid.
fat_boy wrote:
Speed was legal in the 50s, it was given to people to help them loose weight, and to soldiers to help stay awake.
Go figure. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
That's the problem. Society is a reflection of people. People by and large are stupid.
Then shouldn't we live in a stupid society?