drugs
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Christian Graus wrote:
The side effect is that drugs cost so much that addicts can't NOT hurt anyone else. Because there are limited legal means of making the money you need to support a habit.
Not to mention the stuff people do when under the influence of drugs. With alcohol, you can be drunk, moderately drunk, and you can be really drunk. With drugs, you are always going to be in a dangerous state - there's no "light" effect with drugs. Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
there's no "light" effect with drugs.
utter bollox "Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox
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You are talking a load of crap. I have never been in a dangerous state having taken cocaine, speed, acid, or dope. OK, acid is pretty fucking strange, but dangerous you arent, not in the least, more like totally blown out by the sunrise etc. And as for coke and speed, if you want to meet the most boring person in the world, talk to someone on coke, they are so etgotistical all they can talk about is themselves. Dangerous? If being put to sleep by an egotist is dangerous then perhaps. Now for dope. Comatose, zoned out, dorked out, stoned, all these words might lead you to the impression that you actually dont feel like doing anything when you are stoned except watch TV, or listen to music or have slow sex. Dangerous? No fucking way. Now lets look at alcohol. Dangerous? Just lok at any British town center on friday and saturday night to see how alcohol causes serious violence. Oh, and by the way, you can have a 'light' effect with drugs. Its called having a small hit of dope, or a small line of speed etc. Nunc est bibendum
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fat_boy wrote:
I have never been in a dangerous state having taken cocaine, speed, acid, or dope
:omg: You tried all of those ? :~ ~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Yes, I have never tried heroin or extasy. Oops, I forgot, I have taken mushrooms a few times. I only did acid twice though, it is a bizare drug, not exactly recreational in the way that dope or speed is. Anyway, so I am a walking advert for 'drugs are safe' in the right hands. With a little inteligence it is possible to controll the drug rasther than have the drug control you. Take smoking for example. Nothing like a fag and a beer in a pub. OK, chuck in a game of pool too. Even better. But smoking fucks you up. So I only smoke when I am in a pub drinking, which is perhaps once a week. ie, even the most addictive drug, nicotine, can easilly be controlled so why should I worry about taking cocaine or speed when I want to, say at a party one or twice a year. Nunc est bibendum
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fat_boy wrote:
I have never been in a dangerous state having taken cocaine, speed, acid, or dope
:omg: You tried all of those ? :~ ~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
I know plenty of people, including myself who have perfectly normal lives and often highly payed and skilled careers who have taken and continue to take all those and more. I took LSD and mushrooms pretty regularly for a few years (and do did Steve Wozniak, the damn hippie). Coke is a pain in the ass to be around though, never work for anyone with a Coke habit. Ryan
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Christian Graus wrote:
The side effect is that drugs cost so much that addicts can't NOT hurt anyone else. Because there are limited legal means of making the money you need to support a habit.
Not to mention the stuff people do when under the influence of drugs. With alcohol, you can be drunk, moderately drunk, and you can be really drunk. With drugs, you are always going to be in a dangerous state - there's no "light" effect with drugs. Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Score: 1.9 (5 votes).
Holy crap! I didn't know the Drug-Mafia frequented the Soapbox. :~ Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Score: 1.9 (5 votes).
Holy crap! I didn't know the Drug-Mafia frequented the Soapbox. :~ Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Notice it's all the liberals? :laugh:
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I don't agree with them at all, but why are they really against the law? Who cares of a drughead kills themselve on a OD or something? It's their life right? Why is it our place to tell them how to live it as long as they don't hurt anyone else? For that matter, alcohol and smokes are dugs too. Why are those ok and not others? It's like the govt. says you can only dope yourself up on this stuff and not that. Oh look, like magic we can tax this too because you can't grow it in your backyard. Jeremy Falcon
In my life I've seen a 100% correlation between drug use and a significant decline in one's ability to cope with various aspects of life. That includes numerous people I've know who have done everything from pot to ecstasy, etc... Even though alcoholism can supposedly be pretty bad, I have never myself witnessed any ill effects (except for the temporary ones) that precipitated from its over-use. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen because it does, but there is just not the correlation to people who drink. Of course there's no correlation with smoking either. I don't know if people gravitate towards drugs because of a basic weakness in their life or if that weakness comes from drugs (i.e. I can't determine causality). But I can say with 100% certainty that in my personal experience there is a 100% correlation. I therefore support its restriction.
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Notice it's all the liberals? :laugh:
You missed one. ;P I don't smoke, don't do drugs (aside from morphine while I was in hospital in '03, and boy was that wierd. I can see where heroin addicts come from now), drink caffeine and alcohol in great moderation and have a largely vegetarian diet. Mind you I'm a transsexual lesbian, so what would I know? ;P Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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In my life I've seen a 100% correlation between drug use and a significant decline in one's ability to cope with various aspects of life. That includes numerous people I've know who have done everything from pot to ecstasy, etc... Even though alcoholism can supposedly be pretty bad, I have never myself witnessed any ill effects (except for the temporary ones) that precipitated from its over-use. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen because it does, but there is just not the correlation to people who drink. Of course there's no correlation with smoking either. I don't know if people gravitate towards drugs because of a basic weakness in their life or if that weakness comes from drugs (i.e. I can't determine causality). But I can say with 100% certainty that in my personal experience there is a 100% correlation. I therefore support its restriction.
espeir wrote:
Even though alcoholism can supposedly be pretty bad, I have never myself witnessed any ill effects (except for the temporary ones) that precipitated from its over-use. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen because it does, but there is just not the correlation to people who drink. Of course there's no correlation with smoking either.
A couple of years back I knew someone who was alcoholic. It was a frightening thing to see - not least because of his violent behaviour, particularly when he was trying to extort money to buy alcohol. I honestly wouldn't wish that experience on anyone. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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You missed one. ;P I don't smoke, don't do drugs (aside from morphine while I was in hospital in '03, and boy was that wierd. I can see where heroin addicts come from now), drink caffeine and alcohol in great moderation and have a largely vegetarian diet. Mind you I'm a transsexual lesbian, so what would I know? ;P Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Mind you I'm a transsexual lesbian, so what would I know?
Interestingly, and possibly semi-factually, most people would associate drugs and alcohol with a transsexual - it's all those movies I guess. People like you have to constantly disprove that idea I suppose. It's probably a little like how some people think that heavy metal fans are all devil worshippers. Regards, Nish
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You missed one. ;P I don't smoke, don't do drugs (aside from morphine while I was in hospital in '03, and boy was that wierd. I can see where heroin addicts come from now), drink caffeine and alcohol in great moderation and have a largely vegetarian diet. Mind you I'm a transsexual lesbian, so what would I know? ;P Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
I didn't say all the liberals are drug users. I said all the drug users are liberals.
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I don't agree with them at all, but why are they really against the law? Who cares of a drughead kills themselve on a OD or something? It's their life right? Why is it our place to tell them how to live it as long as they don't hurt anyone else? For that matter, alcohol and smokes are dugs too. Why are those ok and not others? It's like the govt. says you can only dope yourself up on this stuff and not that. Oh look, like magic we can tax this too because you can't grow it in your backyard. Jeremy Falcon
Interesting side fact here: Did you know that some medicines--pain meds--now cost so much that seniors are turning to illegal drugs such as meth to supplement their pain meds? It's a growing trend.
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espeir wrote:
Even though alcoholism can supposedly be pretty bad, I have never myself witnessed any ill effects (except for the temporary ones) that precipitated from its over-use. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen because it does, but there is just not the correlation to people who drink. Of course there's no correlation with smoking either.
A couple of years back I knew someone who was alcoholic. It was a frightening thing to see - not least because of his violent behaviour, particularly when he was trying to extort money to buy alcohol. I honestly wouldn't wish that experience on anyone. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
I agree that it exists, but in my experience drugs have always caused personal downfalls while alcohol has been used primarily in a social context. Like I said, I think it may just take a weak person to turn to a chemical escape from reality (whether that be from alcohol or drugs) and perhaps drugs are just more effective so that's where people turn. Or it could be the opposite and drugs actually destroy people. I don't know which. However, I do believe that whether the decline of the soul begins before or after drug use, drugs inevitably accelerate (or create) the condition. If people turn instead to others for support (and access to chemical relief is restricted) they stand a good chance of bettering themselves rather than destroying themselves. Whether they choose to admit it or not, drugs prey on people with weak personalities...The type of people who need to be protected from themselves.
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In my life I've seen a 100% correlation between drug use and a significant decline in one's ability to cope with various aspects of life. That includes numerous people I've know who have done everything from pot to ecstasy, etc... Even though alcoholism can supposedly be pretty bad, I have never myself witnessed any ill effects (except for the temporary ones) that precipitated from its over-use. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen because it does, but there is just not the correlation to people who drink. Of course there's no correlation with smoking either. I don't know if people gravitate towards drugs because of a basic weakness in their life or if that weakness comes from drugs (i.e. I can't determine causality). But I can say with 100% certainty that in my personal experience there is a 100% correlation. I therefore support its restriction.
espeir wrote:
Even though alcoholism can supposedly be pretty bad, I have never myself witnessed any ill effects (except for the temporary ones) that precipitated from its over-use. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen because it does, but there is just not the correlation to people who drink
:wtf: Cirrhosis
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espeir wrote:
Even though alcoholism can supposedly be pretty bad, I have never myself witnessed any ill effects (except for the temporary ones) that precipitated from its over-use. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen because it does, but there is just not the correlation to people who drink
:wtf: Cirrhosis
Which I have never witnessed. And Cirrhosis occurs after a lifetime of heavy drinking. It's like the lung cancer of alcoholics.
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Which I have never witnessed. And Cirrhosis occurs after a lifetime of heavy drinking. It's like the lung cancer of alcoholics.
espeir wrote:
And Cirrhosis occurs after a lifetime of heavy drinking
Heavy drinking can result in death from Cirrhosis in the early 40s. Of course "death" occurs after a lengthy and costly interaction with the medical community normally resulting in hospitalization. And I would consider being hospitalized and then dead is "a significant decline in one's ability to cope with various aspects of life".
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I didn't say all the liberals are drug users. I said all the drug users are liberals.
Not in the UK they aren't, believe me. ;) Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Mind you I'm a transsexual lesbian, so what would I know?
Interestingly, and possibly semi-factually, most people would associate drugs and alcohol with a transsexual - it's all those movies I guess. People like you have to constantly disprove that idea I suppose. It's probably a little like how some people think that heavy metal fans are all devil worshippers. Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)I've seen a few myself on the streets , and all I can suggest is that if you're messed up, you're more likely to end up out on your ear than if you are well adjusted and in tune with yourself and your surroundings. That effect is magnified in areas which openly discriminate or persecute those who are marginalised or don't fit in in some way or another. However, most of us transition quietly and without fuss. We aren't that visible (although that's changing - go and look on Lynne Conway's Transsexual Women's Successes[^] page!), so what most people see are those who are most obvious or sensationalist stories in the media.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
It's probably a little like how some people think that heavy metal fans are all devil worshippers.
Quite possibly. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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I agree that it exists, but in my experience drugs have always caused personal downfalls while alcohol has been used primarily in a social context. Like I said, I think it may just take a weak person to turn to a chemical escape from reality (whether that be from alcohol or drugs) and perhaps drugs are just more effective so that's where people turn. Or it could be the opposite and drugs actually destroy people. I don't know which. However, I do believe that whether the decline of the soul begins before or after drug use, drugs inevitably accelerate (or create) the condition. If people turn instead to others for support (and access to chemical relief is restricted) they stand a good chance of bettering themselves rather than destroying themselves. Whether they choose to admit it or not, drugs prey on people with weak personalities...The type of people who need to be protected from themselves.
I agree. I've seen people destroyed by both drugs (even Cannabis if you take enough of it) and - more recently - by alcohol. Both can be equally devastating in their effects, but like you, I normally only encounter alcohol in a social context. The same can be said for cannabis - I don't use it, but I know others who do, again in a social context rather than in the context of addiction. I won't go near anyone doing hard drugs though - seeing a housemate doing speed in the kitchen once was once too many, thank you. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
t's their life right? Why is it our place to tell them how to live it as long as they don't hurt anyone else?
Funny, could say the same thing about gays and gay marriage. You won't though, of course.
Wjousts wrote:
Funny, could say the same thing about gays and gay marriage. You won't though, of course.
Funny, some people refuse to learn. For one, I do NOT approve of drugs, just as I do NOT approve of the gay lifestyle. But, it's not illegal to be gay now is it? The fact of the matter is, if someone wants to kill themselves with drugs b/c they are stupid or butt fuck other guys b/c they are stupid, then it's their choice. I'm not for either one. I'm very much against the hypocrisy of it though. It's not natural to be gay, but people act like it is. It's not natural to fuck animals, but well that's just gross. And the list goes on and on. Now, to the point... again. Why does the govt. care? Especially when they allow the sale of other shit that will kill us too? Jeremy Falcon