Mother, Child and womb?
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The divine Trinity - "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" - could also be known as "Mother, Child and Womb" or "Rock, Redeemer, Friend" at some Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) services under an action yesterday by the church's national assembly... One reason is that language limited to the Father and Son "has been used to support the idea that God is male and that men are superior to women," the panel said.
:doh: God goes PC. http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uspres204789343jun20,0,3989803.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-print[^] BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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"Rock, Redeemer, Friend"
For some strange reason the movie Doom popped into my head when I first read that, except that the Redeemer is in Unreal Tournament. The brain is a pretty neat thing, although a little buggy at times... :)
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its true. men are physically superior, they also push the envelope further than women. Allmost all of the great explorers have been male for example. Same goes for artists, writers, chefs, etc etc etc. OK there are exceptional women, but for the most part, a woman is happy with the status quo, just wants to do the same thing. Men however are quickly dissatisfied, and want to see and know more. Nunc est bibendum
How about the idea that the reason most of the worlds "advances" are performed my men is that, with the preconception that they are superior to women, they have deliberately suppressed any woman who dares to impose on male superiority? There are many instances, some of which recorded, where any development, particularily intellectually, by a female has been completely disregarded by their male "superiours".
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How about the idea that the reason most of the worlds "advances" are performed my men is that, with the preconception that they are superior to women, they have deliberately suppressed any woman who dares to impose on male superiority? There are many instances, some of which recorded, where any development, particularily intellectually, by a female has been completely disregarded by their male "superiours".
Womens' lib is a century old. Where are all these advancements you're talking about!
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Fortunately, this sort of thing makes it really easy to recognize preachers who are full of shit, without having to bother sitting through an entire sermon.
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Shog9 wrote:
really easy to recognize preachers who are full of sh*t,
You've actually encountered some that aren't?:omg:
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How about the idea that the reason most of the worlds "advances" are performed my men is that, with the preconception that they are superior to women, they have deliberately suppressed any woman who dares to impose on male superiority? There are many instances, some of which recorded, where any development, particularily intellectually, by a female has been completely disregarded by their male "superiours".
I wanted to say exactly that. People only look at the surface of things, and come up with the stupid conclusions above. You got my 5. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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We let you poor fragile creatures think so ;P The tigress is here :-D
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Womens' lib is a century old. Where are all these advancements you're talking about!
You're alive aren't you? But no, seriously, that is part of my point. The women's liberation appears to me to be just an attempt to pacify those that are not happy with the distribution of credit. I shall not, however, start quoting and referring. To do so would put me in a more awkward position than I would want. I have known a number of women who are more than capable than their male "conterparts" - if I may use such a term. We all hear about women being passed over for promotion in business. It's easy for us (men) to just ignore this and say they are playing the sexism card - but it still happens. Anyway, I only have half a chomosone on the twenty-third pair, so what do I know :)
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its true. men are physically superior, they also push the envelope further than women. Allmost all of the great explorers have been male for example. Same goes for artists, writers, chefs, etc etc etc. OK there are exceptional women, but for the most part, a woman is happy with the status quo, just wants to do the same thing. Men however are quickly dissatisfied, and want to see and know more. Nunc est bibendum
And it would be even more un-politically correct to point out that most great explorers, artists, inventors, etc... are white males. Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir
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And it would be even more un-politically correct to point out that most great explorers, artists, inventors, etc... are white males. Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir
Anouther valid point. Lamentably I cannot follow your namesake - vote of 5.
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You're alive aren't you? But no, seriously, that is part of my point. The women's liberation appears to me to be just an attempt to pacify those that are not happy with the distribution of credit. I shall not, however, start quoting and referring. To do so would put me in a more awkward position than I would want. I have known a number of women who are more than capable than their male "conterparts" - if I may use such a term. We all hear about women being passed over for promotion in business. It's easy for us (men) to just ignore this and say they are playing the sexism card - but it still happens. Anyway, I only have half a chomosone on the twenty-third pair, so what do I know :)
Actually that's a myth and is probably used by your unsuccessful female friends to justify their failure. Women make the same amount of money as men on average, until they leave the workforce for child birth. Then they experience a wage setback, because they have not worked as long. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's foolish to assume that most women wouldn't rather stay home and raise a family than work. It's in their nature, just like being messy is in ours.
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Actually that's a myth and is probably used by your unsuccessful female friends to justify their failure. Women make the same amount of money as men on average, until they leave the workforce for child birth. Then they experience a wage setback, because they have not worked as long. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's foolish to assume that most women wouldn't rather stay home and raise a family than work. It's in their nature, just like being messy is in ours.
espeir wrote:
Women make the same amount of money as men on average, until they leave the workforce for child birth. Then they experience a wage setback, because they have not worked as long.
A fair point. I have no idea whether that is true or not.
espeir wrote:
Actually that's a myth and is probably used by your unsuccessful female friends to justify their failure.
But I just said they were capable.
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espeir wrote:
Women make the same amount of money as men on average, until they leave the workforce for child birth. Then they experience a wage setback, because they have not worked as long.
A fair point. I have no idea whether that is true or not.
espeir wrote:
Actually that's a myth and is probably used by your unsuccessful female friends to justify their failure.
But I just said they were capable.
HalfWayMan wrote:
A fair point. I have no idea whether that is true or not.
From what I've read, the average woman's salary is a few thousand less than the average man's. But if you exclude women who have left the workforce for childbirth or raising a child, then the average is (if recollection serves) actually slightly higher than a man's.
HalfWayMan wrote:
But I just said they were capable.
Capable is subjective. Taller people average more money than shorter people, and I doubt they're somehow more "capable". It could be that they're just too shy.
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HalfWayMan wrote:
A fair point. I have no idea whether that is true or not.
From what I've read, the average woman's salary is a few thousand less than the average man's. But if you exclude women who have left the workforce for childbirth or raising a child, then the average is (if recollection serves) actually slightly higher than a man's.
HalfWayMan wrote:
But I just said they were capable.
Capable is subjective. Taller people average more money than shorter people, and I doubt they're somehow more "capable". It could be that they're just too shy.
espeir wrote:
Capable is subjective.
Again, good point. I now feel completely out maneuvered and, frankly, pretty stupid. :((
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You're alive aren't you? But no, seriously, that is part of my point. The women's liberation appears to me to be just an attempt to pacify those that are not happy with the distribution of credit. I shall not, however, start quoting and referring. To do so would put me in a more awkward position than I would want. I have known a number of women who are more than capable than their male "conterparts" - if I may use such a term. We all hear about women being passed over for promotion in business. It's easy for us (men) to just ignore this and say they are playing the sexism card - but it still happens. Anyway, I only have half a chomosone on the twenty-third pair, so what do I know :)
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espeir wrote:
Capable is subjective.
Again, good point. I now feel completely out maneuvered and, frankly, pretty stupid. :((
Calling yourself stupid is a good way to get out of a promotion.
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Fortunately, this sort of thing makes it really easy to recognize preachers who are full of shit, without having to bother sitting through an entire sermon.
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Calling yourself stupid is a good way to get out of a promotion.
Well, that's alright. I can't be promoted anyway :)
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Shog9 wrote:
And yet, look at all the posts here arguing semantics when it comes to war, politics, immigration, marriage...
That's a good point. For example, someone suggested "civil union" instead of "gay marriage", but it doesn't change the underlying reality that two people of the same sex are living together. And who cares anyway?
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Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
And who cares anyway?
Obviously, a very vocal segment of the population who want to prevent it. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Tim Craig wrote:
Obviously, a very vocal segment of the population who want to prevent it.
Duh. I mean, marriage depends on having all parties agreeing to the meaning of certain words. Treating them with disrespect just makes the whole thing meaningless. If we allow just anyone to call their relationship a "marriage", why, we might as well just allow any kind of disrespect... Next we'll be seeing people getting divorced, cheating on their spouses, possibly even bizarre "open marriages"... Oh. :rolleyes:
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Tim Craig wrote:
Obviously, a very vocal segment of the population who want to prevent it.
Duh. I mean, marriage depends on having all parties agreeing to the meaning of certain words. Treating them with disrespect just makes the whole thing meaningless. If we allow just anyone to call their relationship a "marriage", why, we might as well just allow any kind of disrespect... Next we'll be seeing people getting divorced, cheating on their spouses, possibly even bizarre "open marriages"... Oh. :rolleyes:
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Shog9 wrote:
getting divorced, cheating on their spouses, possibly even bizarre "open marriages"...
So are you saying that you want all those things to be integral parts of marriage?
