The Most Polite City
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
Have they heard NYC is called "home of the rude"?
I've always heard this too.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
I worked there for a year, and must say there is a lot of truth in it.
Well, I think a year is long enough to understand their culture. I think Jim Crafton is from NYC so maybe if he sees this post he'll clue me in. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I think Jim Crafton is from NYC so maybe if he sees this post he'll clue me in.
Or cut you off and flip you the bird! ;P
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Having experienced both, let me first say that in order to appreciate the warmth of New Yorkers you have to take their interaction within the context of their culture, not yours. Once you do, you'll find them warm and friendly folks. My brief visit to Toronto left me with the impression of not only incredibly polite and welcoming people, but the cleanest major city I've ever seen. The subways didn't have a scratch on them, and you could eat off the floors. Having never visited India I know nothing of the cities and social experience there, but all in all, Toronto and NYC are two of my favorite cities. I miss the folks in both. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
There is no way NYC is more polite than Atlanta or Charleston. Charleston was declared to be the most polite city in USA in one of the previous surveys.
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I grew up in Long Island and CT, and then moved to SC. My initial reaction was that southern hospitality was a load of crap. I found southerners generally unaccepting and suspicious of northerners. They were polite, but it was difficult to get beyond a certain level as an outsider. It was almost as though they were always defensive. Now, 14 years later, I know how to deal with southerners better and don't feel the same and have come to feel that SC is my home. I've never felt New Yorkers were rude. Abrupt maybe and they don't hold back if you piss them off, but they've been plenty helpful and friendly to me. then again that could be because I know how deal with them. BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wrightbrianwelsch wrote:
I found southerners generally unaccepting and suspicious of northerners.
Well, I've never been to SC, but I'm sure there are expections to the rule in some cities down here. And, I'll say this, by and large more people are unfriendly in New Orleans than where I grew up. Probably that way in most cities.
brianwelsch wrote:
I know how to deal with southerners better and don't feel the same and have come to feel that SC is my home.
Maybe you just lost your accent and you're now normal. ;P
brianwelsch wrote:
then again that could be because I know how deal with them.
I dunno. I've never been. I've just heard stories. But, Christopher could be dead on the money with the cultural differences part ya know. Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I think Jim Crafton is from NYC so maybe if he sees this post he'll clue me in.
Or cut you off and flip you the bird! ;P
:laugh::laugh::laugh: Jeremy Falcon
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According to this unscientific study two of the 3 most polite cities in the world are in North America... New York City and Toronto. Indian cities were at the bottom of the list with Mumbai coming in last. [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap\_travel/20060621/ap\_tr\_ge/travel\_briefs\_polite\_cities](<a href=)[^]" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20060621/ap_tr_ge/travel_briefs_polite_cities[^][[http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap\_travel/20060621/ap\_tr\_ge/travel\_briefs\_polite\_cities](<a href= "New Window")[^]">^]
I live in NYC. I really don't care if people here are nice or polite. Hell, I don't expect people to be pleasant when they're crammed face to face with a bunch of other strangers at 8 am in a subway train that smells like god-knows-what. This city has sooo many amazing things to do/see/hear/taste/etc that I'm too busy enjoying the place to care if some guy at a deli is rude, or if a cab driver is yelling at pedestrians. Josh
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Baghdad didn't make the list??? :confused:
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It's hard to judge politeness across different cultures. I can't speak for all of India, but people in my state don't say thank you, sorry, please etc all that often - that is not part of our language system. The Malayalam equivalents of those words are only used formally. Similarly opening doors for others is not something people do - if you tried to do that, you'd just get a lot of curious glances. When I first worked abroad, I was quite surprised by how often people would say "how are you" to you, and then they'd walk away without waiting for an answer. Initially I thought this was pretty weird and that this was a sort of pseudo-politeness. Later I got used to it. It's pretty much the same in Toronto. People just wish you well, and ask you how you are, and walk away without waiting for a conversation - it's a different sort of culture from what we have back in India. Eventually, you have to understand how a society behaves, before judging how polite or rude people are. I still haven't fully got used to the Canadian politeness, and I am sure most people find me pretty rude and weird - specially on the phone. Oh well - I have to work on it. So, thanks a lot to everyone for reading my post, and I hope you are all in good health, and sorry if I took away your time, and thanks once again. :rolleyes: Regards, Nish
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I live in NYC. I really don't care if people here are nice or polite. Hell, I don't expect people to be pleasant when they're crammed face to face with a bunch of other strangers at 8 am in a subway train that smells like god-knows-what. This city has sooo many amazing things to do/see/hear/taste/etc that I'm too busy enjoying the place to care if some guy at a deli is rude, or if a cab driver is yelling at pedestrians. Josh
Josh Smith wrote:
polite. Hell, I don't expect people to be pleasant when they're crammed face to face with a bunch of other strangers at 8 am in a subway train that smells like god-knows-what.
Well, NYC isn't the only place with congestion. I don't see that being a real excuse for being rude. With that being said. I have had my fair share of bitching when stuck in traffic. But then again, I'm not nice. :) Jeremy Falcon
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I live in NYC. I really don't care if people here are nice or polite. Hell, I don't expect people to be pleasant when they're crammed face to face with a bunch of other strangers at 8 am in a subway train that smells like god-knows-what. This city has sooo many amazing things to do/see/hear/taste/etc that I'm too busy enjoying the place to care if some guy at a deli is rude, or if a cab driver is yelling at pedestrians. Josh
Josh Smith wrote:
I live in NYC.
Cool to hear that. Could you recommend some good places to see, if someone's coming for a 2 day visit? Unless I get tied up with some work, we are planning on visiting New York city on a long weekend. What would ne the top 3-4 places we should go to, in your opinion? I guess we'd need to see the Statue of Liberty, and perhaps walk around Time Square. Any others? Regards, Nish
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brianwelsch wrote:
I found southerners generally unaccepting and suspicious of northerners.
Well, I've never been to SC, but I'm sure there are expections to the rule in some cities down here. And, I'll say this, by and large more people are unfriendly in New Orleans than where I grew up. Probably that way in most cities.
brianwelsch wrote:
I know how to deal with southerners better and don't feel the same and have come to feel that SC is my home.
Maybe you just lost your accent and you're now normal. ;P
brianwelsch wrote:
then again that could be because I know how deal with them.
I dunno. I've never been. I've just heard stories. But, Christopher could be dead on the money with the cultural differences part ya know. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Maybe you just lost your accent and you're now normal
I didn't lose my accent, I gained one. ;) But yeah, I think that does make a bit of a difference.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Christopher could be dead on the money
I agree, Chris is probably right on. BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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espeir wrote:
Baghdad didn't make the list???
US millitary is still there X| .Otherwise it would have...
Yea, the locals just politely remove your head if you say the wrong thing, or are the wrong nationality. Very polite, those Baghdad folk...:mad:
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Yea, the locals just politely remove your head if you say the wrong thing, or are the wrong nationality. Very polite, those Baghdad folk...:mad:
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It's hard to judge politeness across different cultures. I can't speak for all of India, but people in my state don't say thank you, sorry, please etc all that often - that is not part of our language system. The Malayalam equivalents of those words are only used formally. Similarly opening doors for others is not something people do - if you tried to do that, you'd just get a lot of curious glances. When I first worked abroad, I was quite surprised by how often people would say "how are you" to you, and then they'd walk away without waiting for an answer. Initially I thought this was pretty weird and that this was a sort of pseudo-politeness. Later I got used to it. It's pretty much the same in Toronto. People just wish you well, and ask you how you are, and walk away without waiting for a conversation - it's a different sort of culture from what we have back in India. Eventually, you have to understand how a society behaves, before judging how polite or rude people are. I still haven't fully got used to the Canadian politeness, and I am sure most people find me pretty rude and weird - specially on the phone. Oh well - I have to work on it. So, thanks a lot to everyone for reading my post, and I hope you are all in good health, and sorry if I took away your time, and thanks once again. :rolleyes: Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)I agree. Similarly in China, holding doors open for others is something that's simply not done. Personally, after living in Canada for over 10 years, having others holding doors open for me still feels a little strange, if anything it pressures me to hurry because I don't want to hold them up... but I do it for others anyway because it is considered proper etique. The not picking up papers part is simply a result of the "minding one's own business" mentality that's prevalent there. It's certainly nothing to be proud of but I'm not sure if it fits under politeness. Can't make an excuse for not saying thanking you though... store clerks has always been rude in my memory :rolleyes: However I'm only questioning the methods, the result is definitely what I expected. People here in Canada are definitely orders of magnitude more polite than in China.
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Chadlling wrote:
New York City
:omg: Have they heard NYC is called "home of the rude"? I worked there for a year, and must say there is a lot of truth in it.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
Have they heard NYC is called "home of the rude"? I worked there for a year, and must say there is a lot of truth in it.
I don't believe the criteria included driving, I can't see the articles from work, but on the radio this morning for an hour they were discussing this on and off... It included things like what people do when you drop something, have your hands full, do people open doors, say think you when you open doors. I will have to read the actual article when I get off work, but if do not include all the things one group of people are rude about, then they must seem more polite. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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It's hard to judge politeness across different cultures. I can't speak for all of India, but people in my state don't say thank you, sorry, please etc all that often - that is not part of our language system. The Malayalam equivalents of those words are only used formally. Similarly opening doors for others is not something people do - if you tried to do that, you'd just get a lot of curious glances. When I first worked abroad, I was quite surprised by how often people would say "how are you" to you, and then they'd walk away without waiting for an answer. Initially I thought this was pretty weird and that this was a sort of pseudo-politeness. Later I got used to it. It's pretty much the same in Toronto. People just wish you well, and ask you how you are, and walk away without waiting for a conversation - it's a different sort of culture from what we have back in India. Eventually, you have to understand how a society behaves, before judging how polite or rude people are. I still haven't fully got used to the Canadian politeness, and I am sure most people find me pretty rude and weird - specially on the phone. Oh well - I have to work on it. So, thanks a lot to everyone for reading my post, and I hope you are all in good health, and sorry if I took away your time, and thanks once again. :rolleyes: Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
People just wish you well, and ask you how you are, and walk away without waiting for a conversation - it's a different sort of culture from what we have back in India.
Talking about culture. In China, people wish you well by saying "Have you eaten?"
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
So, thanks a lot to everyone for reading my post, and I hope you are all in good health, and sorry if I took away your time, and thanks once again.
You sound like pretty Canadian.:) Best, Jun
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Josh Smith wrote:
I live in NYC.
Cool to hear that. Could you recommend some good places to see, if someone's coming for a 2 day visit? Unless I get tied up with some work, we are planning on visiting New York city on a long weekend. What would ne the top 3-4 places we should go to, in your opinion? I guess we'd need to see the Statue of Liberty, and perhaps walk around Time Square. Any others? Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Who is we? A bunch of booze-crazed bachelors? A group of Christian rockers? A nuclear family? :) Once I have some context, I should be able to help ya'll out. Cheers, Josh
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There is no way NYC is more polite than Atlanta or Charleston. Charleston was declared to be the most polite city in USA in one of the previous surveys.
I've lived in Atlanta since 93, so I obviously like the people here, too. :) Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
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I've lived in Atlanta since 93, so I obviously like the people here, too. :) Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Christopher Duncan wrote:
I've lived in Atlanta since 93, so I obviously like the people here, too.
Looks like you like the whole world :-) Regards, Nish
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Josh Smith wrote:
polite. Hell, I don't expect people to be pleasant when they're crammed face to face with a bunch of other strangers at 8 am in a subway train that smells like god-knows-what.
Well, NYC isn't the only place with congestion. I don't see that being a real excuse for being rude. With that being said. I have had my fair share of bitching when stuck in traffic. But then again, I'm not nice. :) Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I don't see that being a real excuse for being rude.
Nor do I, but it seems to suffice around here! :-D
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Who is we? A bunch of booze-crazed bachelors? A group of Christian rockers? A nuclear family? :) Once I have some context, I should be able to help ya'll out. Cheers, Josh
Josh Smith wrote:
Who is we? A bunch of booze-crazed bachelors? A group of Christian rockers? A nuclear family?
Me, and my wife, Smitha :-) Her cousin and his wife might also be there (they are in Corning, NY). Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)