Middle East
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Michael P Butler wrote: Somebody said to me the other day, "Maybe old Adolf had the right idea". Now that's a nice idea. I'm sure my grandparents, who survived "old Adolf"'s death camps, would love a second round. Michael P Butler wrote: As England was partly responsible for creating the situation in the Middle East by dropping the Jews back in there after the second world war. I feel we should be doing a little more to help. I wonder what would that "help" mean ? Omer :( :( :( :( :(( !!!!
I DONT BELEIVE THEY DON'T CENSOR THAT FUCKING BITCH NAME :( :( - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
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It all depends on your point of view. Sometime the best way to beat somebody is to play them at their own game. America can just be a little heavy handed at times. Personally I quiet like the idea of terrorising the terrorist - not exactly the morally way to do things, but as long as the number of innocents hurt is kept low then I have no problem with it. Michael :-)
Michael P Butler wrote: Personally I quiet like the idea of terrorising the terrorist - not exactly the morally way to do things, but as long as the number of innocents hurt is kept low then I have no problem with it. Same here. Was just observing the implications of your definition of terrorist :) I am pretty fed up with all the hypocrites who moan at America when it harms one hair on a head, be it arch-villian or innocent, but then turn around and moan at America for not doing more to make the world a safer place. As they say, to make an omelette you have to break some eggs. Well for terrorism to be removed or at least abated, America and whoever else is going to have to break a lot of eggs. It is a neccessary price to pay and I don't shirk from the facts of it. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge
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Well, I'm from the middle east. I'll tell you what I think - we're in a shitty situation here! I'm not sure if there's any soulution to the palestinian-israeli conflict at all. And what really annoys is the way CNN shows us.. they only showing what we do, not what the terrorist do. We got a bad image, we seem like terrorist, while they are bombing us every day and bringing death to many innocent people. it's unbeleivable. If such thing would happen in USA, I don't know what would happen to them. You saw what happend after the WTC. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
In the left corner : a bunch of peasants with homemade explosives In the right corner : an army armed to the teeth with high-tech weapons Who looks bad ?
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Michael P Butler wrote: A suicide bomber is the hardest kind of terrorist to deal with That's right, but it is also the major terrorism we got here. And as I mentioned, there are some means of lowering the suicider's will to bomb theirselves - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
Dan Pomerchik wrote: And as I mentioned, there are some means of lowering the suicider's will to bomb theirselves Not by wrapping them in pigskins.
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well, both sides are wrong, but we've seen that talking to arafat is like talking to a wall. I don't beleive any more in the peace. He is declaring "no fire" but the bombers continue. I beleive those assfuckers bombers are getting their "moral" from arafat, that is - he is pushing them to do so, and they have nothing to lose anyway. I beleive that if we threaten them that their family's house will be bombed after a bomber commit suicide, than maybe some of those bombers will think twice before they do what they do. I dont tend to be smart then anybody, but obviously the talking way is not the solution. We are talking about deeply dipressed people who have nothing to lose anyway, and they beleive that when they bomb us they go to heaven with 70 virgins. so what can we do?! another possible thing to do is bury the bodies with a pig skin and then the terrorists "will go to hell" but its not practical cause we got religion and its against the law etc blah blah. (also we SHOULD NOT return the bodies to them!) - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
Dan - You are one sick animal... and it shows how Israelis see innocent palistians as. This really surprise me, as Jews got the same treatment from the Nazi's... Now you are doing the same to the Pallistians. Get a life mate Peace
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and btw, you're so damn wrong! you only see what CNN gives you! we aint no terrorists. Well what do you expect, after the palestinians bomb us 4 times a day we got to do something! I absoulutely don't beleive this shit. CNN makes US the terrorists , while we're so self-controlled comparing to what we get. As i told before - a thing like this would NEVER happen in the USA. we're just assholes that we dont take some serious measures against it. and fuck the cnn. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
Tell me what military purpose is served by bombing hospitals and demolishing orchards ? Self defence against terrorism is one thing , ruining and humiliating an entire people is something completely different
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Karl wrote: I don't want to choose a side in this war, 'cause IMHO everybody is wrong. Exactly, which is why this problem is going to be one of the hardest for the world to solve. Karl wrote: Another annoying thing is the repetive use of the word "Terrorist", Well, by my defintion - a terrorist is somebody who uses terror and fear to achieve his goals. Which pretty much sums up elements of both sides. It is up to "the people" on both sides to rise up and say enough is enough. Michael :-)
Michael P Butler wrote: a terrorist is somebody who uses terror and fear to achieve his goals So we should define WWII RTesistance as terrorist, we should called terrorists the general who decided to bomb Dresden in 1945, and terrorism the Sherman's March to the Sea. To be a Terrorist or a Freedom Fighter, it seems to be often a matter of context. It's funny how we get started. They get their money from the things on you. They get your money and the girls and the fame. I only do it for the fun. That's my game. KoRn, "Counting"
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Dan Pomerchik wrote: And as I mentioned, there are some means of lowering the suicider's will to bomb theirselves Not by wrapping them in pigskins.
why not ? I know it sounds primitive, but if it is the only thing that will stop the suicides than we should go for it. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
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why not ? I know it sounds primitive, but if it is the only thing that will stop the suicides than we should go for it. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
So what you basically want to do is drive somebody with his back against the wall and then start thinking about how you can prevent him from harming you. Maybe it's time to give these people a perspective on life instead of goosestepping all over them ?
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Dan - You are one sick animal... and it shows how Israelis see innocent palistians as. This really surprise me, as Jews got the same treatment from the Nazi's... Now you are doing the same to the Pallistians. Get a life mate Peace
wtf?! if you like to know , one year ago i was the only one that said we can make a peace and talk to them. Every time i turn on the TV I see more bombs and more death and more tears and more pain. Why? because we don't do anything. John Smith wrote: This really surprise me, as Jews got the same treatment from the Nazi's That's right. I am supporting this opinion BUT John Smith wrote: Now you are doing the same to the Pallistians. WHAT EXACTLY are we doing to them!? nothing! after the lynch in ramalla about one year ago, which was a terrible thing what we did? we blow their radio station. so what? we warned them first so they can escape from there , so NO HURT will be made. what exactly we're doing to them ? i wanna know. [EDIT] INNOCENT PALESTIANS!? - we aint innocent either , but them!? YOU dont see the WHOLE picture. you see crap. you see us. you dont see them blowing us to pieces. ITS CRAPPY UNBELIEVABLE. you cant talk like that unless you live here. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
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So what you basically want to do is drive somebody with his back against the wall and then start thinking about how you can prevent him from harming you. Maybe it's time to give these people a perspective on life instead of goosestepping all over them ?
If they could just find a way to educate these people that there is no heaven - oh wait, the Israelis believe in heaven too. The key is communication and education, sadly there is no time for that in between exchanging weapons fire. Michael :-)
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So what you basically want to do is drive somebody with his back against the wall and then start thinking about how you can prevent him from harming you. Maybe it's time to give these people a perspective on life instead of goosestepping all over them ?
well forget about the pigskin. I don't tend to say its the solution or anything. But its obvious that talking is not the solution. I don't know what to do and my government dont either - and that's the problem. its a tough situation , and I dont envy Sharon or anybody else. It's easy to talk from outside. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
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In the left corner : a bunch of peasants with homemade explosives In the right corner : an army armed to the teeth with high-tech weapons Who looks bad ?
In the left corner : citizens going for a Passover dinner in a holiday evening. In the right corner : suicider bombing out innocent people eating Passover dinner in a holiday evening. WHO LOOKS BAD ?! - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
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In the left corner : citizens going for a Passover dinner in a holiday evening. In the right corner : suicider bombing out innocent people eating Passover dinner in a holiday evening. WHO LOOKS BAD ?! - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
In the left corner : Sharon the butcher of Palistianians. In the right corner : Hitler WHO LOOKS BAD ? OR ARE THEY THE SAME ?
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I DONT BELEIVE THEY DON'T CENSOR THAT FUCKING BITCH NAME :( :( - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
They need to sensor Sharons name as well, he is the same as Hitler - Massacred 1000 Pallistianians
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well forget about the pigskin. I don't tend to say its the solution or anything. But its obvious that talking is not the solution. I don't know what to do and my government dont either - and that's the problem. its a tough situation , and I dont envy Sharon or anybody else. It's easy to talk from outside. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
Isn't Sharon a War Criminal (1982) and wanted in Belgium ? He is in the same league as Hitler, saddam and Molosovik
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If they could just find a way to educate these people that there is no heaven - oh wait, the Israelis believe in heaven too. The key is communication and education, sadly there is no time for that in between exchanging weapons fire. Michael :-)
Michael P Butler wrote: The key is communication and education you're right. That is the main problem here. The education. From the day a palestinain born (not every palestinian of course, I make no collective) he is taught to throw stones at Tzahal soldiers. Later he use rifles and than goes to bomb himself. Its start with the education when they're young. The problem is that the hatred is so strong and that you cant change their point of view after years of miseducation. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
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Michael P Butler wrote: The key is communication and education you're right. That is the main problem here. The education. From the day a palestinain born (not every palestinian of course, I make no collective) he is taught to throw stones at Tzahal soldiers. Later he use rifles and than goes to bomb himself. Its start with the education when they're young. The problem is that the hatred is so strong and that you cant change their point of view after years of miseducation. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
Do you blame them, You have taken over their land and left them to rot !!!
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well, both sides are wrong, but we've seen that talking to arafat is like talking to a wall. I don't beleive any more in the peace. He is declaring "no fire" but the bombers continue. I beleive those assfuckers bombers are getting their "moral" from arafat, that is - he is pushing them to do so, and they have nothing to lose anyway. I beleive that if we threaten them that their family's house will be bombed after a bomber commit suicide, than maybe some of those bombers will think twice before they do what they do. I dont tend to be smart then anybody, but obviously the talking way is not the solution. We are talking about deeply dipressed people who have nothing to lose anyway, and they beleive that when they bomb us they go to heaven with 70 virgins. so what can we do?! another possible thing to do is bury the bodies with a pig skin and then the terrorists "will go to hell" but its not practical cause we got religion and its against the law etc blah blah. (also we SHOULD NOT return the bodies to them!) - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"
Dan Pomerchik wrote: when they bomb us they go to heaven with 70 virgins Is this stuff really in their religion, or is it just crap made up by the press/other religions? I know one thing about death, our bodies stay here and rot. (Or in the case of suicide bombers, get swept up by the janitor). 70 virgins ain't going to be much use to me without a body? And what so special about virgins anyway? I prefer experience myself :-D Michael :-)
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Dan Pomerchik wrote: when they bomb us they go to heaven with 70 virgins Is this stuff really in their religion, or is it just crap made up by the press/other religions? I know one thing about death, our bodies stay here and rot. (Or in the case of suicide bombers, get swept up by the janitor). 70 virgins ain't going to be much use to me without a body? And what so special about virgins anyway? I prefer experience myself :-D Michael :-)
well its absoulute crap but they beleive in it. It does not important if its in their religion. they beleive it and thats all. - Dan "Intel inside - Idiot outside"