Excellent Article On Racism
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Yep, it's a sort of reverse-racism I guess.
Yup, and while I understand the lashing out, I just don't think we are taking a step in the right direction. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Yup, and while I understand the lashing out, I just don't think we are taking a step in the right direction.
What's most ironic is that in countries like India, where people have skin color varying from really dark (as dark as an african american) to really light (can be mistaken for a white caucasian), there's this big demand for women who are lighter skinned. *shakes head* In newspaper ads (arranged marriages), parents of brides usually say something like "prospective grooms invites for white-skinned young beautiful girl of 23 years..." They say "white" skinned - sometimes "fair skinned" etc. And we had TV ads for cosmetic cream that's supposed to make girls get lighter color skin. The ad shows how a girl is rejected by a guy cause she is dark. Later she uses the cream, becomes lighter in color, and the guy is shown running after her. That was one helluva color-racist ad I would say - but no one complained :-) Regards, Nish
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Touché! Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Touché!
BTW, I wasn't complaining. I am happy that they double-check all brown skinned people. I mean, if I am gonna fly in that plane, I'd be happier to know they've reduced chances of some potential terrorist walking in with a bomb strapped to himself/herself. But sometimes it's a little annoying. Last MVP summit, there were some 10-12 of us awaiting to board the plane in Seattle. Me, and one other MVP (again Indian) were asked to pull out of the queue, we were taken to another room, they asked us a few basic questions like where we are going, finger printed us, and then let us board the plane. They were very polite, and almost apologetic that we didn't feel insulted or anything. But it was a little odd to go through that. Again, I understand why they do it. There are more brown skinned terrorists than there are white/black ones. So they are just being extra careful - which is good for all of us. Oh well! It's something I have got used to (and most other Indians and Pakistanis too I guess). Regards, Nish
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Yup, and while I understand the lashing out, I just don't think we are taking a step in the right direction.
What's most ironic is that in countries like India, where people have skin color varying from really dark (as dark as an african american) to really light (can be mistaken for a white caucasian), there's this big demand for women who are lighter skinned. *shakes head* In newspaper ads (arranged marriages), parents of brides usually say something like "prospective grooms invites for white-skinned young beautiful girl of 23 years..." They say "white" skinned - sometimes "fair skinned" etc. And we had TV ads for cosmetic cream that's supposed to make girls get lighter color skin. The ad shows how a girl is rejected by a guy cause she is dark. Later she uses the cream, becomes lighter in color, and the guy is shown running after her. That was one helluva color-racist ad I would say - but no one complained :-) Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
there's this big demand for women who are lighter skinned.
I wonder why that is. I mean, over here I think it's due to our history and slavery, etc. all mixed into the loop. But oever there I would think it didn't matter.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
That was one helluva color-racist ad I would say - but no one complained
Wow. That never would've made it on the air over here. Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Touché!
BTW, I wasn't complaining. I am happy that they double-check all brown skinned people. I mean, if I am gonna fly in that plane, I'd be happier to know they've reduced chances of some potential terrorist walking in with a bomb strapped to himself/herself. But sometimes it's a little annoying. Last MVP summit, there were some 10-12 of us awaiting to board the plane in Seattle. Me, and one other MVP (again Indian) were asked to pull out of the queue, we were taken to another room, they asked us a few basic questions like where we are going, finger printed us, and then let us board the plane. They were very polite, and almost apologetic that we didn't feel insulted or anything. But it was a little odd to go through that. Again, I understand why they do it. There are more brown skinned terrorists than there are white/black ones. So they are just being extra careful - which is good for all of us. Oh well! It's something I have got used to (and most other Indians and Pakistanis too I guess). Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
But sometimes it's a little annoying.
I agree. But by and large, sight sensory is an important thing to most people, as long that remins I'm sure people will always rely on what they see to judge, and there's nothing more prominent than skin color.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
and almost apologetic that we didn't feel insulted or anything.
That's cool. The ones I can't stand are the cops, govt. workers that let the little bit of authority go to their heads. Jeremy Falcon
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http://www.secondamendment.net/whatisracism.html[^] Quote From Article: Of all the races in America, only whites have been tricked into thinking that a preference for one's own kind is racism. Only whites are ever told that a love for their own people is somehow "hatred" of others. All healthy people prefer the company of their own kind, and it has nothing to do with hatred. All men love their families more than they love their neighbors, but this does not mean they hate their neighbors. Whites who love their racial family need bear no ill will towards non-whites. They wish only to be left alone to participate in the unfolding of their racial and cultural destinies. What whites in America are being asked to do is therefore utterly unnatural. They are being asked to devote themselves to the interests of other races and to ignore the interests of their own. This is like asking a man to forsake his own children and love the children of his neighbors, since to do otherwise would be "racist." What, then, is "racism?" It is considerably more than any dictionary is likely to say. It is any opposition by whites to official policies of racial preference for non-whites. It is any preference by whites for their own people and culture. It is any resistance by whites to the idea of becoming a minority people. It is any unwillingness to be pushed aside. It is, in short, any of the normal aspirations of peoplehood that have defined nations since the beginning of history--but only so long as the aspirations are those of whites. Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir
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What whites in America are being asked to do is therefore utterly unnatural. They are being asked to devote themselves to the interests of other races and to ignore the interests of their own. This is like asking a man to forsake his own children and love the children of his neighbors, since to do otherwise would be "racist."
Do you have an example that demonstrates this absurd assertion?
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
What whites in America are being asked to do is therefore utterly unnatural. They are being asked to devote themselves to the interests of other races and to ignore the interests of their own. This is like asking a man to forsake his own children and love the children of his neighbors, since to do otherwise would be "racist."
Do you have an example that demonstrates this absurd assertion?
David Kentley wrote:
Do you have an example that demonstrates this absurd assertion?
Firstly, i am not the one who made that assertion, it was in the article, but i do think an example how be where it is considered racist by the liberals to be against illegal immigration from mexico, because they are a differnet race. Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
What whites in America are being asked to do is therefore utterly unnatural. They are being asked to devote themselves to the interests of other races and to ignore the interests of their own. This is like asking a man to forsake his own children and love the children of his neighbors, since to do otherwise would be "racist."
Do you have an example that demonstrates this absurd assertion?
David Kentley wrote:
Do you have an example that demonstrates this absurd assertion?
Set asides, portions of contracts set aside just for minorities. of course if you live in Texas, and you're caucasion, statistically that would mean you. race preferences on college admissions. busing. modified to add: EEOC anti-red lining laws. state mandated gerrymandering to ensure the election of minorities. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! -- modified at 15:26 Thursday 22nd June, 2006
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
What whites in America are being asked to do is therefore utterly unnatural. They are being asked to devote themselves to the interests of other races and to ignore the interests of their own. This is like asking a man to forsake his own children and love the children of his neighbors, since to do otherwise would be "racist."
Do you have an example that demonstrates this absurd assertion?
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Before talking about racism, people should wear brown-skinned makeup, and go through any North American airport customs :-) Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)I was in India (Delhi) a few weeks ago and I need to say that the indian customs is also not very friendly to white people, or at least they even slow more down than usual which gives you bad times if you need to catch other flights etc... So counts this for racism too?
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David Kentley wrote:
Do you have an example that demonstrates this absurd assertion?
Set asides, portions of contracts set aside just for minorities. of course if you live in Texas, and you're caucasion, statistically that would mean you. race preferences on college admissions. busing. modified to add: EEOC anti-red lining laws. state mandated gerrymandering to ensure the election of minorities. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! -- modified at 15:26 Thursday 22nd June, 2006
Mike Gaskey wrote:
race preferences on college admissions.
For the record: I disagree with the practice of favoring minorities over more fully qualified caucasions when there is no evidence of prejudice otherwise taking place. This, I believe, is now largely the case--the US has come a long way in 40 years. However, in the not very distant past this was not the case, so institutions had to be forced to play fair. I believe the time of that has largely passed, but still needs to be watched. With that out of the way, this does not fit my requirement of an example of where whites have to "devote themselves to the interests of other races and to ignore the interests of their own." In cases where racial preference is given to minorities, or quotas are met, it is still the case that the majority of admissions, sometimes 80% or more, are given to whites. That is hardly ignoring the interests of the white race, if such a thing can even be said to exist. The population falls that way in most areas of this country, for one thing, but also there are still huge built in advantages to being born white in this country. As for bussing: I fail to see how that hurts anyone... it's a way for people with no options to get a better education due to the complete failure of funding for inner city schools. Is it the best way to fix the problem, and does it really help? Probably not, but it lets some politicians feel like they are doing something while failing to fix the real problem: lack of money in education. The Texas contract thing falls under the same category as college admissions: fair? No. Necessary at some time in the past? Probably. Time to move on? Yes. An example of keeping white man down? Absolutely not. White man is doing just fine. And by the way, no, I did not read the article (it is blocked from work). I thought the comments were from Pumpkin (or whoever the heck that is), though he has since edited it to make it clear he's quoting the article.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
But sometimes it's a little annoying.
I agree. But by and large, sight sensory is an important thing to most people, as long that remins I'm sure people will always rely on what they see to judge, and there's nothing more prominent than skin color.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
and almost apologetic that we didn't feel insulted or anything.
That's cool. The ones I can't stand are the cops, govt. workers that let the little bit of authority go to their heads. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
That's cool. The ones I can't stand are the cops, govt. workers that let the little bit of authority go to their heads.
Fortunately, I've never encountered a racist airport or immigration official in my life so far. The 2 times Smitha and I drove across the Canada-US border (and back), we always got nice, polite border officers. In fact, on both occasions, they didn't even ask for our Passports when we returned to Canada. Regards, Nish
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David Kentley wrote:
Do you have an example that demonstrates this absurd assertion?
Set asides, portions of contracts set aside just for minorities. of course if you live in Texas, and you're caucasion, statistically that would mean you. race preferences on college admissions. busing. modified to add: EEOC anti-red lining laws. state mandated gerrymandering to ensure the election of minorities. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! -- modified at 15:26 Thursday 22nd June, 2006
so there you go. a question is asked, answered - but since it wasn't politically correct it is wrong. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry!
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I was in India (Delhi) a few weeks ago and I need to say that the indian customs is also not very friendly to white people, or at least they even slow more down than usual which gives you bad times if you need to catch other flights etc... So counts this for racism too?
Harald Krause wrote:
I was in India (Delhi) a few weeks ago and I need to say that the indian customs is also not very friendly to white people, or at least they even slow more down than usual which gives you bad times if you need to catch other flights etc... So counts this for racism too?
It's not racism - read my replies to Jeremy. Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
there's this big demand for women who are lighter skinned.
I wonder why that is. I mean, over here I think it's due to our history and slavery, etc. all mixed into the loop. But oever there I would think it didn't matter.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
That was one helluva color-racist ad I would say - but no one complained
Wow. That never would've made it on the air over here. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I wonder why that is. I mean, over here I think it's due to our history and slavery, etc. all mixed into the loop. But oever there I would think it didn't matter.
For some reason, most Indians ended up with a "lighter colored skin means more beautiful" idea implanted into their brains. Some of our top actresses are mostly indistinguishable from white women - they even color their hair blonde or brown! Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
But sometimes it's a little annoying.
I agree. But by and large, sight sensory is an important thing to most people, as long that remins I'm sure people will always rely on what they see to judge, and there's nothing more prominent than skin color.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
and almost apologetic that we didn't feel insulted or anything.
That's cool. The ones I can't stand are the cops, govt. workers that let the little bit of authority go to their heads. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The ones I can't stand are the cops, govt. workers that let the little bit of authority go to their heads.
Man, you should meet one of the guards posted at the baggage claim in San Francisco (or was it Ohare? hmmm..). That guy was really on a power trip, as he threatened me with KGB-style interrogation, for walking past him before he said I could pass. If he hadn't been an armed official, I would've knocked his sissy ass back past the immigration booths, and possibly all the way out to the arriving gate.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Yup, and while I understand the lashing out, I just don't think we are taking a step in the right direction.
What's most ironic is that in countries like India, where people have skin color varying from really dark (as dark as an african american) to really light (can be mistaken for a white caucasian), there's this big demand for women who are lighter skinned. *shakes head* In newspaper ads (arranged marriages), parents of brides usually say something like "prospective grooms invites for white-skinned young beautiful girl of 23 years..." They say "white" skinned - sometimes "fair skinned" etc. And we had TV ads for cosmetic cream that's supposed to make girls get lighter color skin. The ad shows how a girl is rejected by a guy cause she is dark. Later she uses the cream, becomes lighter in color, and the guy is shown running after her. That was one helluva color-racist ad I would say - but no one complained :-) Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Isn't India the home of aryans? :~
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
race preferences on college admissions.
For the record: I disagree with the practice of favoring minorities over more fully qualified caucasions when there is no evidence of prejudice otherwise taking place. This, I believe, is now largely the case--the US has come a long way in 40 years. However, in the not very distant past this was not the case, so institutions had to be forced to play fair. I believe the time of that has largely passed, but still needs to be watched. With that out of the way, this does not fit my requirement of an example of where whites have to "devote themselves to the interests of other races and to ignore the interests of their own." In cases where racial preference is given to minorities, or quotas are met, it is still the case that the majority of admissions, sometimes 80% or more, are given to whites. That is hardly ignoring the interests of the white race, if such a thing can even be said to exist. The population falls that way in most areas of this country, for one thing, but also there are still huge built in advantages to being born white in this country. As for bussing: I fail to see how that hurts anyone... it's a way for people with no options to get a better education due to the complete failure of funding for inner city schools. Is it the best way to fix the problem, and does it really help? Probably not, but it lets some politicians feel like they are doing something while failing to fix the real problem: lack of money in education. The Texas contract thing falls under the same category as college admissions: fair? No. Necessary at some time in the past? Probably. Time to move on? Yes. An example of keeping white man down? Absolutely not. White man is doing just fine. And by the way, no, I did not read the article (it is blocked from work). I thought the comments were from Pumpkin (or whoever the heck that is), though he has since edited it to make it clear he's quoting the article.
David Kentley wrote:
An example of keeping white man down?
no, actually an example of the white man punishing himself for the guilt of being white - the "original sin" in our PC religion. I believe that is the point being made. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry!
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The ones I can't stand are the cops, govt. workers that let the little bit of authority go to their heads.
Man, you should meet one of the guards posted at the baggage claim in San Francisco (or was it Ohare? hmmm..). That guy was really on a power trip, as he threatened me with KGB-style interrogation, for walking past him before he said I could pass. If he hadn't been an armed official, I would've knocked his sissy ass back past the immigration booths, and possibly all the way out to the arriving gate.
-- 100% natural. No superstitious additives.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
If he hadn't been an armed official, I would've knocked his sissy ass back past the immigration booths, and possibly all the way out to the arriving gate.
God I know exactly how you feel. It's usualy the boney, geeky cops, etc. too. Probably got picked on in school. Jeremy Falcon
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Isn't India the home of aryans? :~
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Isn't India the home of aryans?
I believe that most of the original Indian Aryans were people that migrated from Europe. Regards, Nish
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Isn't India the home of aryans? :~
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Isn't India the home of aryans?
BTW, may I know why you ask that? How would that relate to India's skin-color obsession? Regards, Nish
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